NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler

[NoComRulez]

Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.

The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
in, uphill and headwind back.

The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.

The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
27-32mph.

Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
when it comes to speed.

NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
single-tube stick bikes out there.

My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
understand why this is even up for discussion."

Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
highwheeler...

In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.

 

[Al Luminium]

>
> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>
A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races and get
your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility, and then
realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean **** to just about
everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike.



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[[email protected]]

Ed,

Don't you ever tire of beating that tattered old drum? I know. You
can't do it on BROL anymore. What a pity. You're keep running out of
places to peddle your **** simply because you repeatedly exceed their
tolerance threshold and get censored or banned and deservedly so. Gee,
I wonder who the common denominator is in all this? Forget it. That
was a rhetorical question and the answer is obvious. Don't let the
door hit you in the ass on the way out and take your drum with you.

Jim

Ed-Al Luminium-Gin wrote:'
> >
> > My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> > understand why this is even up for discussion."
> >
> A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races
and get
> your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility,
and then
> realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean **** to just
about
> everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike.
>
>
>
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[NoComRulez]

Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and
I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the
differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind
of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike --
or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL
FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport
thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you
with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a
watch or computer most of the time.

The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at
cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a
stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating
evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in
the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run
into cars (that's 33-35 mph).

On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
season.

Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh
Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo
scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great
certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego
from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose
unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to
measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy
it...

I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who
rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at
BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I
figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers
and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for
the record.

I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it
in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways.
These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to
debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a
couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference.

By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a
highwheeler.

 

[Racer]

my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass

 

[kfkfkg]

Oh my god, it's back!

Please go back to whatever rock you were under for the last month or
so. This group was just starting to come back to life...

 

[Mark Leuck]

"NoComRulez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
> up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
> Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
> better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
> hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
> season.

Big whoop, I can sprint at 34 mph on my Baron

 

[Freewheeling]

"NoComRulez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and
> I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the
> differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind
> of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike --
> or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL
> FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport
> thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you
> with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a
> watch or computer most of the time.

Your level of "experience" has nothing to do with the empirical reliability
of your metrics, and by definition heart rate isn't power or energy, so its
validity as a measure of power or energy is compromised, at best. Moreover,
your consistent "advocacy" of this particular bike suggests, well... bias.
Just report, let people take it for what it's worth, and move on to another
topic.

>
> The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at
> cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a
> stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating
> evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in
> the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run
> into cars (that's 33-35 mph).
>
> On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
> up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
> Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
> better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
> hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
> season.
>
> Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh
> Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo
> scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great
> certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego
> from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose
> unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to
> measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy
> it...
>
> I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who
> rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at
> BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I
> figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers
> and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for
> the record.
>
> I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it
> in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways.
> These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to
> debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a
> couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference.
>
> By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a
> highwheeler.
>

 

[Big Red]

I hope you live near Chicago, so we can see you race at Northbrook this
summer trying to fulfill your challenge.
"Racer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass




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[Slugger]

whats the rush?

 

[NoComRulez]

Now THAT's an example of **** that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
rider at the same effort on the same course...

On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
their educated conclusions...

 

[Mark Leuck]

"NoComRulez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now THAT's an example of **** that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
> sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
> the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
> rider at the same effort on the same course...

True but you are making a big deal about the bike doing sprints at 34 mph, I
have no doubt the NoCom is much faster than an upright but other bikes can
do the same thing

> On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
> and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
> wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
> Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
> these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
> their educated conclusions...

To be honest we've yet to see any "geniuses" chiming anything in about that
bike, or documented race results etc..

 

[Dave Larrington]

Mark Leuck wrote:

> To be honest we've yet to see any "geniuses" chiming anything in
> about that bike, or documented race results etc..

We have already seen that Wretch Fleming is considerably faster on his NoCom
than on his RatRacer, most notably last time out at Castle Combe. In 2004 I
would have beaten him fairly comfortably had I not contrived to crash out of
the unfaired lead on the last corner of the last lap; this year he lapped
me. Twice.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Funsize Mars bars? What could possibly be MORE fun about eating LESS
chocolate?

 

[Ed Gin]

NoCom Rulez,

Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.

Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
about.

Ed Gin



NoComRulez wrote:

> Now THAT's an example of **** that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
> sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
> the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
> rider at the same effort on the same course...
>
> On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
> and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
> wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
> Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
> these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
> their educated conclusions...

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Ed Gin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NoCom Rulez,
>
> Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
> current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
> of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.
>
> Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
> Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
> about.
>
> Ed Gin
>

Fair enough, lets see the results posted when it happens

 

[Ed Gin]

Mark,

When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590

Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30 mph
for 10 miles.
Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.

Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
momentary top speed sprint.

And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15 miles.

Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........

Ed Gin



Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Ed Gin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > NoCom Rulez,
> >
> > Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
> > current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
> > of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.
> >
> > Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
> > Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
> > about.
> >
> > Ed Gin
> >
>
> Fair enough, lets see the results posted when it happens

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Ed Gin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark,
>
> When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:
>
> http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590
>
> Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30
mph
> for 10 miles.
> Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.
>
> Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
> momentary top speed sprint.
>
> And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15
miles.
>
> Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........
>
> Ed Gin

That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
websites

I never draft either

 

[Peter Clinch]

Mark Leuck wrote:

> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> websites

Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
imagine it will progress to "official" soon.

In the meantime it would be nice if some folk realised we're not all
interested in going fast to the exclusion of anything else. I ride a
Streetmachine for comfort and luggage carrying reasons, I don't /care/
that it isn't very fast!

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Dave Larrington]

Peter Clinch wrote:
> Mark Leuck wrote:
>
>> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
>> websites
>
> Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
> imagine it will progress to "official" soon.

s/is/was/ However, I /am/ also the BHPC's Keeper ov thee Records, and race
results may be seen at or near here:

URL:http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/events05.html

17 km at 48.7 km/h on the indoor velodrome in Newport

86 km at 40.6 km/h on the Castle Combe motor racing circuit (on a /very/
windy day)

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Although the hippopotamus hath no sting in its tail, the wise man would
rather be seated upon the back of a bee.

 

[Johnny NoCom]

Mark,

Look here:

http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html

Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?

And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????

Ed Gin

Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Ed Gin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mark,
> >
> > When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:
> >
> > http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590
> >
> > Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30
> mph
> > for 10 miles.
> > Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.
> >
> > Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
> > momentary top speed sprint.
> >
> > And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15
> miles.
> >
> > Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> websites
>
> I never draft either