No Tubes kits

.....buy a compressor just to inflate your tires; frig'n joke if you ask me!

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Well, that was my excuse to buy a compressor. I always 'needed' one. :-)

Rob S.

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HI

anyone any experience of stans no tube kits.

I just got some and am finding it very difficult to get my tires to seal. I'm using michelin dh
tires with mavic 521 rims. The tires don't seem to want to seal against the rim

AL

I ran them without trouble for a couple of months and then over the 4th of July weekend I had two
failures. I haven't bothered to put Stan's back in. So much hassle to get them going again. I may
get a set of CrossMax wheels sometime, but I think I'll just run tubes until then. I love to ride,
but I'm not that into messing with my bike. Stan's are a neat idea that ended up being to much
hassle in practice for me.

Matt

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HI

anyone any experience of stans no tube kits.

I just got some and am finding it very difficult to get my tires to seal. I'm using michelin dh
tires with mavic 521 rims. The tires don't seem to want to seal against the rim

AL

I was thinking of using stans, but decided that tubes work just fine for me. Only reason I'd use it
is if I got UST tubeless, then I'd probably put a little latex in there to seal up any punctures. I
was thinking of going UST, but would have had to order direct from mavic (they distribute
themselves, not to places like QBP and J&B), so I would have had to pay more shipping. Plus the
tires are massively expensive.

Jon Bond

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"spademan o---[) *

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An old roommate taught me something very simple, but often overlooked

when

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deciding on a purchase.

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"Don't ask yourself whether you want it, but rather, do you need

it...."

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And I don't want or need it.

Sounds like a really fun roommate...

Whaddaya expect, the guy was an engineering student....a real risk taker

and a blast to hang with.

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Hey. Nothing wrong with engineering students. At least, the ones that have some semblance of
social skills.

Jon "cool engineering student type guy" Bond

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Does the bead not initial seat? Or does the bead seat, but leaks air slowly.

If the bead is not seating, you will need a source of compressed air.

(Gas

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station) If you have a slow leak, it sometimes several days to seal.

I use the bmx tube method and it works great. No flats from thorns or pinches.

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What is the bmx tube method? Sounds interesting! Details?

TIA

Tim

The attached link is the BMX tube method. The only modification I've made is to add the sealant
through the Schrader valve so you can do this installation messy free. You do need compressed air
most of the time. You can go to the service station for free or go to Home Depot and get a
compressed air tank with hose, gauge and chuck for $15.00. You only need compress air on initial
setup. I've deflated tire and added more sealant through the Schrader valve and pumped it up with a
regular pump.

I would only recommend doing this if you have constant problems with thorns or pinch flatting and
you are willing to check your tire once a month for adequate sealant. I usually shake the tire. If I
can't hear the sealant, I take the Schrader valve off and stick a paper clip in like a dip stick.
Sometimes when I'm lazy I just stick a needle in the tire to see if it seals up.

The big plus besides NO FLATS is that the tire feels more sticky over roots and rocks.

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Addendum:

I also use Latex Mold Builder instead of Stan's Sealant that you can get from any craft store for
$10. There's enough there to do a lot of tires. One tea spoon to 1 cup of water.

Total cost is per tire is $2.00 for BMX tube and about 50 cent of Later Mold Builder. That's $5.00
for 2 tires.

You can justify the cost of a compress air tank for $15 by buying an additonal valve to use as an
air blaster when you work on your bike.

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|The attached link is the BMX tube method. The only modification I've made |is to add the sealant
through the Schrader valve so you can do this |installation messy free. You do need compressed air
most of the time. You |can go to the service station for free or go to Home Depot and get a
|compressed air tank with hose, gauge and chuck for $15.00. You only need |compress air on initial
setup. I've deflated tire and added more sealant |through the Schrader valve and pumped it up with a
regular pump.
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|I would only recommend doing this if you have constant problems with thorns |or pinch flatting and
you are willing to check your tire once a month for |adequate sealant. I usually shake the tire. If
I can't hear the sealant, I |take the Schrader valve off and stick a paper clip in like a dip stick.
|Sometimes when I'm lazy I just stick a needle in the tire to see if it seals |up.
|
|The big plus besides NO FLATS is that the tire feels more sticky over roots |and rocks.
|
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After you've gone through that hassle and perhaps [censored] your riding buddies, the next step is:

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Its not a case of wanting tubeless for the sake of it. I run UST tires anyway, the only
punctures I get are pinchflats and dh tubes weigh over

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pound each which is even more when rotating, and i want to try and save weight. Tubless seemes
to be the way to go for me, less weight, no pinchflats = advantages when racing

AL

Before you even consider buying the noTubes kits, take a 1/4 inch drill

bit

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and see if it will fit in your presta valve hole if it doesn't then you

will

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need to drill it out. This is important to seat the valve correctly. Quite

a

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few people are not willing to drill out their expensive wheels.

If you still want to go for it here's a few tips for installation.

Use baby powder to help seat the rubber rim strip.

Spread soapy water on the tire sidewalls to help seat the tire.

The odds are you will not be able to hand pump the tire, either use a compressor or CO2
cartridges.

Once beaded, shake the tire to spread the sealant around, then pump to around 60 psi, (this will
open up more holes), shake tire to spread fluid, ride around the block then let sit over night
(you will lose pressure) repump to desired PSI.

After this is done you will still need to:

Check your air pressure before each ride (you will still lose air).

Run recommended tire pressure (there is a chance you can ruin your

sidewalls

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by riding with low tire pressure, then no matter what you do you will not

be

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able to fill the millions of tiny leaks).

Carry a spare tube and air (you can still get flats, I had a friend

running

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noTubes in a race and split a sidewall, he had to walk the bike back)

I've run this system for a couple of months and had no problems, no flats. I'm ready to swap out
the rear tire because of wear and will be using noTubes on it. It can be a good system and it can
be a nightmare.

I'm using non UST tires on regular rims.
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Cheers for the tips

I got it to work i wasn't using enough soap. i found that using dishwashing liquid almost neat
worked best and when i hooked it up to the compressor it worked a treat. Checking air pressure
doesn't bother me I'm very fussy and always make sure im running about 18-20psi for max grip. I
haven't had an intrusian puncture in over 4 years. It just doesn't happen with dh tires, the only
punctures i get are pinch flats so going tubless suits me perfectly

AL

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:48:32 -1000, "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote:

|The attached link is the BMX tube method. The only modification I've

made

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|is to add the sealant through the Schrader valve so you can do this |installation messy free. You
do need compressed air most of the time.

You

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|can go to the service station for free or go to Home Depot and get a |compressed air tank with
hose, gauge and chuck for $15.00. You only

need

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|compress air on initial setup. I've deflated tire and added more sealant |through the Schrader
valve and pumped it up with a regular pump.
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|I would only recommend doing this if you have constant problems with

thorns

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|or pinch flatting and you are willing to check your tire once a month for |adequate sealant. I
usually shake the tire. If I can't hear the

sealant, I

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|take the Schrader valve off and stick a paper clip in like a dip stick. |Sometimes when I'm lazy
I just stick a needle in the tire to see if it

seals

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|up.
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|The big plus besides NO FLATS is that the tire feels more sticky over

roots

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|and rocks.
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After you've gone through that hassle and perhaps [censored] your riding buddies, the next
step is:

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What hassle? It's only adds an additional 5 minutes and $5.00 of my time and money for tire
installation

[censored] buddies? Actually the opposite. I'm waiting for my buddies when they discover they have a
flat tire from a thorn from the previous ride. The thorns are irrating because it's usually a slow
leak which you don't know till your next ride.

Like I said if you have no problems with flats from thorns and pinch flats, you don't need to do it.

I was originally going to slime my tubes with all these flats I've been getting, but thought what
the hell spend $10 bucks for the Latex Mold Builder and see what happens.

I carry a 1 oz bottle of my own premix just in case I get lazy and forget add sealant. 10
seconds to pop the Schrader Valve, 10 seconds to add sealant, 10 seconds to put the Schrader
Value on and 1 minute to pump or 5 seconds if I use my C02. I'm riding while my buddy still
trying to get his tire off.

Yes, this system is not for everyone. I've got slime tubes for my GF's bike because she does her own
rides sometimes. It's perfect DIY guys.

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|"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:48:32 -1000, "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|>
|> |The attached link is the BMX tube method. The only modification I've
|made
|> |is to add the sealant through the Schrader valve so you can do this |installation messy free.
|> You do need compressed air most of the time.
|You
|> |can go to the service station for free or go to Home Depot and get a |compressed air tank with
|> hose, gauge and chuck for $15.00. You only
|need
|> |compress air on initial setup. I've deflated tire and added more sealant |through the Schrader
|> valve and pumped it up with a regular pump.
|> |
|> |I would only recommend doing this if you have constant problems with
|thorns
|> |or pinch flatting and you are willing to check your tire once a month for |adequate sealant. I
|> usually shake the tire. If I can't hear the
|sealant, I
|> |take the Schrader valve off and stick a paper clip in like a dip stick. |Sometimes when I'm lazy
|> I just stick a needle in the tire to see if it
|seals
|> |up.
|> |
|> |The big plus besides NO FLATS is that the tire feels more sticky over
|roots
|> |and rocks.
|> |
|>
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|> After you've gone through that hassle and perhaps [censored] your riding buddies, the next
|> step is:
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|What hassle? It's only adds an additional 5 minutes and $5.00 of my time |and money for tire
installation

LOL. I just read your post again and I can't see it taking five minutes.

Please take a video of you completing this process in 5 minutes:

materials:

stan's sealant or equivalent 20" bmx tube (maybe 24" would work?) tire + wheel
1. get a 20" bmx tube and slice it down the middle, opposite to the valve.

2. place sliced bmx tube over your conventional rim + rimstrip.

3. place 1/2 of a conventional tire on the rim (one bead on the rim, one bead off). This can be a
tight fit, use very soapy and water along the bead/rim/tube interface. If the first tire bead is
still not dropping into the rim, try removing 1/2 of the bmx tube/strip, then try to drop the
tire into the rim.

4. Once the first tire bead is in the rim, put almost all of the second bead on the rim.

5. put in the stans sealant + water mix.

6. seat the last part of the tires 2nd bead while being carefull not to spill much of the sealant
out of the tire.

7. If the bmx tube is only 1/2 on the rim (from step 3), use soap and water to gently pull the rest
of the tube back onto the rim and under both tire beads. Make certain the tube is roughly
centered. This process is helped by lifting the part of the tire that overlaps the part of the
bmx tube that you are pulling on.

8. there should be bmx tube sticking out the sides of the rim. Do not trim this yet.

9. pump up the tire with an air compressor, rotate the tire while pumping to help the sealant seal
up holes/gaps. I had a bit of trouble pumping up a sun ds1 rim + gazzi core tire. It was leaking
and spitting sealant all over the place. I kept at it for a few extra minutes. When I pressed on
tire above the valve with my thumb it finally inflated. I had no such trouble with a wtb lazer
rim + mutano
10.24 tire.

11. once inflated, rotate the tire in various angles to allow the sealant to seal up any gaps.

12. The bmx tube should be sticking out from the rim. Trim excess bmx tube off the rim.

13. let the tire seat overnight at a high pressure (maybe 45 lbs).

14. reduce pressure and go ride!

|[censored] buddies? Actually the opposite. I'm waiting for my buddies when |they discover they have
a flat tire from a thorn from the previous ride. |The thorns are irrating because it's usually a
slow leak which you don't |know till your next ride.

Perhaps you should suggest that your buddies check their tires BEFORE their next ride? Just an idea.

|Like I said if you have no problems with flats from thorns and pinch flats, |you don't
need to do it.
|
|I was originally going to slime my tubes with all these flats I've been |getting, but thought what
the hell spend $10 bucks for the Latex Mold |Builder and see what happens.
|
|I carry a 1 oz bottle of my own premix just in case I get lazy and forget |add sealant. 10 seconds
to pop the Schrader Valve, 10 seconds to add |sealant, 10 seconds to put the Schrader Value on and 1
minute to pump or 5 |seconds if I use my C02. I'm riding while my buddy still trying to get his
|tire off.

Uh huh...

|Yes, this system is not for everyone. I've got slime tubes for my GF's bike |because she does her
own rides sometimes. It's perfect DIY guys.

Uh huh...

"Alastair Maxwell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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HI

anyone any experience of stans no tube kits.

I just got some and am finding it very difficult to get my tires to seal. I'm using michelin dh
tires with mavic 521 rims. The tires don't seem to want to seal against the rim

AL

I have 'em and they work GREAT!!!

mounted on Sun 0 XC rims using Avocet Cross K's at 65 p.s.i.

Like I said, they work great!

Worried about being out on the trail when they don't seal up? Lame arguement....... if you're
using regular tires then just take a tube with you and if you have problems, use the tube just
like old times...

They ROLL BETTER, CORNER BETTER, STICK BETTER. Plus they weigh less than a UST set-up. Yes, it was
hard to get them to seal initially, but just follow the instructions and be patient.

Worth the $$$$

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LOL. I just read your post again and I can't see it taking five minutes.

Please take a video of you completing this process in 5 minutes:

Sorry no video camera.

My post said additional 5 minutes.

1 minute to cut bmx tube with sissors. 30 seconds to mount split bmx tube 10 seconds to take off
schrader valve. 10 seconds to pour sealant through schrader valve. 10 seconds to put schrader valve
on. 2 minutes to trim excess bmx tubing.

Hmm that 4 minutes. I guess 1 extra minute too spare.

Not counted are tire mounting because it takes about the same time. If fact with my Maxxis tire it
saved me time because the Maxxis is such a b*tch to mount over the rim. When you mount it with the
bmx tube split over the rim, it easier because the tire slides with tube over the rim edge.

Tire inflation is the same time.

Rim tape is the same.

I'm not counting the sealant mixture because I premix it in a bigger bulk container. You could add
another 30 seconds for shaking.

The only real hassle of this process is having compressed air. You could add 15 minutes to your time
to drive to your service station if you don't want to spend $15 at Home Depot for an air tank.

Oh, if you don't use Schrader rims, add another 10 minutes drilling and filing 😉

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|> LOL. I just read your post again and I can't see it taking five minutes.
|>
|> Please take a video of you completing this process in 5 minutes:
|
|Sorry no video camera.
|
|My post said additional 5 minutes.
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|1 minute to cut bmx tube with sissors. 30 seconds to mount split bmx tube 10 seconds to take off
|schrader valve. 10 seconds to pour sealant through schrader valve. 10 seconds to put schrader valve
|on. 2 minutes to trim excess bmx tubing.
|
|Hmm that 4 minutes. I guess 1 extra minute too spare.
|
|Not counted are tire mounting because it takes about the same time. If fact |with my Maxxis tire it
saved me time because the Maxxis is such a b*tch to |mount over the rim. When you mount it with the
bmx tube split over the rim, |it easier because the tire slides with tube over the rim edge.
|
|Tire inflation is the same time.
|
|Rim tape is the same.
|
|I'm not counting the sealant mixture because I premix it in a bigger bulk |container. You could add
another 30 seconds for shaking.
|
|The only real hassle of this process is having compressed air. You could |add 15 minutes to your
time to drive to your service station if you don't |want to spend $15 at Home Depot for an air tank.
|
|Oh, if you don't use Schrader rims, add another 10 minutes drilling and |filing 😉

Thanks.

That was hilarious!

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|"Alastair Maxwell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|> HI
|>
|> anyone any experience of stans no tube kits.
|>
|> I just got some and am finding it very difficult to get my tires to seal. I'm using michelin dh
|> tires with mavic 521 rims. The tires don't seem to want to seal against the rim
|>
|> AL
|
|I have 'em and they work GREAT!!!
|
|mounted on Sun 0 XC rims using Avocet Cross K's at 65 p.s.i.
|
|Like I said, they work great!
|
|Worried about being out on the trail when they don't seal up? |Lame arguement....... if you're
using regular tires then just |take a tube with you and if you have problems, use the tube |just
like old times...

What about the SPOOGE?

What about removing the SPOOGE-laden rim strip and removing the tire that is adhered to the rim with
dried, caked on SPOOGE?

The truth will set you free!

Jon Bond said...

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I was thinking of using stans, but decided that tubes work just fine for me. Only reason I'd use
it is if I got UST tubeless, then I'd probably put a little latex in there to seal up any
punctures. I was thinking of going UST, but would have had to order direct from mavic (they
distribute themselves, not to places like QBP and J&B), so I would have had to pay more shipping.
Plus the tires are massively expensive.

Performance has Michelin Jet S tubeless on sale for $22.50, half price. Damn nice tire. Funny, since
the war hawks called for a boycott of anything French, I have never bought so many French made
products in my life.

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Damn, that looks like a lot of work just to get around replacing a tube.

Pete

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Damn, that looks like a lot of work just to get around replacing a tube.

Pete

I think you need to put it in perspective. If you rarely get flats, you don't need it. If you
aren't a tinkerer, you shouldn't do it. If you don't like doing things by trial and error,
definitely don't try it.

However if you get lots of flats, have a heavy bike and don't want add more weight with regular
slime, are a el cheapo and don't want to buy Stan's, and have a bit of MAD SCIENTIST in you, it's
the perfect experiment. It probably will help Racer boys too. I don't race and don't use paper thin
tires so I can't say for sure.