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  1. Jim Behning said:

    On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:33:38 -0800 (PST), "[email hidden]"

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    Jim Behning said:

    You increase the wind head on.

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    Hello Jim,

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    A windmill generates energy, we can use this energy to move the base
    of the windmill.

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    We can move it in all directions.

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    Also straight into the wind.

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    This will increase the amount of wind available to us which in it's
    turn will allow us to displace the base of the windmill faster.

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    And so on. :-)

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    I have updated my page a bit.

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    http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
    gabydewilde - negative drag

    I bet I am not the only person who is waiting for the video with the
    power meter. I am not a windmill. I do not know how windmills have
    much to do with make a human propelled vehicle go faster. I am not a
    sailboat although with a good tailwind I might think I am one. Read a
    tailwind makes me faster. Not a headwind and not a crosswind that is
    coming at me from my forward direction.

    I might be impressed with the fan car if it had no engine and no
    batteries. Capacitors to store energy. All it shows is an electric car
    driving around on batteries. If they could demonstrate that they can
    go farther on a battery charge with the fans than without all that
    aerodynamic drag then the video might have some value.

    Hello Jim,

    Wind is a force but a windmill generates energy. We can use the energy
    to move the windmill up against the force. If it's a small mill on a
    big base it wont go very fast of course. But it's an energy
    harvesting device that has to overcome a force so eventually even the
    smallest mill can build up enough force to overcome the wind. It's
    just a bit of gearing. But the wind becomes much more intense from
    even the slightest acceleration.

    http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
    gabydewilde - negative drag

  2. http://news.yahoo.com/comics/getfuzzy;_ylt=AgJO9UaAxpSUzkRRSgznHGlJ_b4F

    Barrnoily ?

  3. Quoted post said:

    Hello all,

    I'm happy to announce that the drag generated by a vehicle may be used
    by a windmill as if it was wind. This of course creates extra drag but
    this drag is partially shared with the rider.

    We thus have a free energy situation on our hands here. :-)

    Drag is limited by the size of the vehicle. If any amount of this drag
    is turned into propulsion then that percentage (just) wont be
    available for slowing the vehicle down. It's not-there anymore.

    I have illustrated the concept here.

    http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag

    Let me think what you hear ok?

    Regards,

    gaby de wilde

    I have updated my page some what using the feedback from the topics.

    Share me your thoughts please :-)

    http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
    gabydewilde - negative drag

  4. I have updated the patent page a bit. So far it looks like there are
    about 70 patents mentioning wind propelled vehicles in one way or
    another.

    Enjoy. :-)

    http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag-patents

  5. "Unfortunately, Takahashi seems to think he can defy the laws of
    physics and get something for nothing: the energy generated will come
    at the expense of the extra aerodynamic drag caused by his roof-
    mounted apparatus. From issue 2161 of New Scientist magazine, 21
    November 1998, page 11"
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16021611.600-windpowered-car.html

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