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  1. Some of you may remember my "stomach difficulites" at NYC, so I did something that most of you would
    probably have told me not to -- sign up for the next marathon and try to redeem myself. Fortune
    smiled on me, and I was able to sneak in a race at Seattle, signing up only after I had convinced
    myself that my training (2 week reverse taper, 2 week taper) was good enough to support another
    effort. No long runs between nyc and today, did some decent (but not killer) speedwork, and managed
    a weekly peak of ~45 miles in the interveening weeks.

    I revised my goal somewhat to 3:05, both based on comments from the group as well as being past
    my peak, as I really wanted a PR to end a sucessful season and qualify for Boston in April. The
    good news -- a
    3:04:22, a PR by 20+ minutes over last year. The bad news, well there is no bad news except that I'm
    a little sore now.

    Tom was right -- it was cold at the start, and was not helped by my choice of clothing (singlet and
    shorts and gloves). Turned out ok, since I was getting hot at the end of the race. I knew that a
    7:05 pace would bring me home with time to spare, and I endeavoured to match that pace as best as
    possible. I tried to keep the same pace/effort throughout, but my splits were all over the place:

    4) 7:03
    5) 6:34 (yikes! Downhill, tho)
    6) 7:11 (Uphill)
    7) 7:04
    8) 6:40 (Downhill, into wind Quit hotdogging!)
    9) 7:18 (into wind)
    10) 6:48 (with wind)
    11) 7:13 (with wind, uphill)
    12) 6:38 (downhill, with wind)
    13) 6:55 (with wind)
    14) 7:01 (with wind)
    15) 7:47 (marker wrong)
    16) 5:44 (whew! No need to panic, worried that I picked it up too soon)
    16.1) 1:31:06 14-15) 14:18 (7:09) (into wind) 16-17) 14:13 (7:06) (into wind)
    17) 7:06 (into wind)
    18) 7:07 (into wind)
    19) 7:19 (2:20:07) (into wind, uphill) 21-22) 15:15 (7:37) (ridiculous uphill*)
    20) 6:30 (downhill)
    21) 7:03
    22) 6:56 (downhill)
    23) 7:11 (ridiculous downhill*)
    23.1) 3:04:22 (1:33:22)

    There was a pretty decent wind on the course, and while we had the benefit of the wind at our backs
    from 8-12, it was in our face from 12-20. To make matters even better, there is a mountain to climb
    between 20 and 24. There was a pretty decent hill which broke some nearby runners through mile 20,
    then it leveled off, and I thought we were done. Nope, we turned a corner somwhere between 20 and 22
    to see this unbelievably steep thing that I would hesitate to do hill repeats on, to say nothing
    about running up the damn thing during a race. It continues at a fairly good slope until about the
    22 mile mark, and *lots* of runners bonked here. I can say that because I held back significantly
    during the first part, that I had enough juice left to get up those hills where other runners
    didn't. I remarked on another thread that the course (with wind+hills) was aboslutely brutal on the
    last half, where even the semi-elites were put into serious difficulty (dropping 30sec to 1 min/mile
    in the last half). What was even worse was the final decent just after mile 25 -- it seemed just as
    steep at the uphill monstrosity, but in reverse. Slowed me way down as I just couldn't get a good
    stride going.

    Lessons learned:

    24) It feels really good to be passing people at the end of races.
    25) One *can* finish a marathon without feeling terrible -- if one is smart about the initial
    pacing. I see-sawed with a lot of runners up until mile 10, then never saw them again.
    26) While us middle-of-the-packers do want to race, it's more important to do your best and not try
    to drop others in the early and middle stages. It's more fun to run and enjoy the camaraderie
    of others and push each other than it is to break them.
    27) There is no such thing as the wall.
    28) While I did not have a negative split, the difficulty of the course was such that my 2:00
    difference was better than everybody ahead of me but one. I consider that as good as a negative
    split. Even effort with a surge after 20.
    29) I avoid stomach problems (see my previous NYC race report for gory details) by taking powerade
    every 4 miles starting at mile 2, and taking water every four miles (starting at 4) plus a
    vanilla powergel. Repeat until mile 22. Oh, and Ammodium AD with Gas Protection helps, too.
    30) Key to marathoning -- run relaxed until 20.
    31) Pumping your fists and encouraging the crowd to cheer in the last 100 yards makes the PA
    announcer ask if this is your first marathon. Nope, just happy.

    --Ryan

  2. Ryan - Congrats on the PR and the BQ time. A well managed race.

    Nice comeback after the difficulties of New York!

    Sub-3 at Boston? :-)

    Anthony.

  3. Powerreport there Ryan. And what a satisfaction it must have been to run such a good race after your
    NYC crash ! A real I'll-be-back triumph. Brave of you to try again like that so soon, some might say
    foolhardy but you proved yourself right in doing it.

    Now you can sit back and enjoy X-mas while dreaming of Bosten ... 🙂

    -Arne-

  4. Ryan,

    That time is an incredible time for such a hilly 2nd half course, but I can't really compare it to
    others. Just imagine what you could have run had that monstor hill been there at mile 20 and 21.
    Hopefully some day I can come close to a time like that.

    Tom

  5. Quoted message said:

    Ryan - Congrats on the PR and the BQ time. A well managed race.

    Thanks. It really was managed well in the sense that I was the one doing all the passing in the last
    8 miles. Of course, now I think I could have pushed myself harder, but I played it conservative.
    Wouldn't have knocked off the 4+ minutes to break 3:00, anyhow, so no regrets. Besides, it was fun!
    (which is how I know I didn't push myself to the limit..... =)

    Quoted message said:

    Sub-3 at Boston? :-)

    Ha! No, I'll be taking a much needed break from training in the next month or so. Probably won't
    see 40 miles in a week unitl January. No, Boston this year is going to be something to enjoy and
    have fun. I'll try to get a couple of 20s in before then just so I won't hurt myself, but it'll be
    a fun run.

    --Ryan

  6. Tom:

    You've already knocked off 30 minutes from your time, which is an outstanding achievement. FYI, I
    was around a 3:30 last year on a much easier course. If you want to improve your time (which it
    looks like you can do), back off on the training, and get in a spring of quality 5-10k's. I had the
    fortune of living in NYC for much of the year, and took advantage of a race every other weekend or
    so. I was probably averaging ~35mpw during that time. (Has the added advantage of getting into the
    nyc marathon w/o going through the lottery!) That's the best kind of speedwork you can do, although
    it gets expensive out here. I also followed the Glover method (used his "advanced competitor"
    schedule) and ramped up the mileage in June/July. Since you look to have done a similar thing this
    year, I'd concentrate on the shorter distances and improve your speed in the spring before tackling
    a marathon in the fall.

    Of course, I also had a bout of ITBS (ran a 20 miler in March on no training) which broke me in late
    April and a really bad crippling (strained muscle, pinched nerve, who knows?) back pain late
    July/early August (probably due to my cross-country move). What I'm trying to say is that you've
    gotta be careful and avoid those injuries, and not be afraid to shut down if you get one.

    Oh yeah, regarding that hill -- by mile 17 I knew it was coming, so I was thinking about how I was
    going to feel good going over it, and that I'd hold back and start my push on the hill and once I
    hit the top, it was all downhill from there. Great psychological trick.

    Good luck!

    --Ryan

    "Beasley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ryan,

    That time is an incredible time for such a hilly 2nd half course,


    but I

    Quoted message said:

    can't really compare it to others. Just imagine what you could have


    run had

    Quoted message said:

    that monstor hill been there at mile 20 and 21. Hopefully some day


    I can

    Quoted message said:

    come close to a time like that.

    Tom

  7. Quoted message said:

    Ryan - Congrats on the PR and the BQ time. A well managed race.

    Thanks. It really was managed well in the sense that I was the one doing all the passing in the last
    8 miles. Of course, now I think I could have pushed myself harder, but I played it conservative.
    Wouldn't have knocked off the 4+ minutes to break 3:00, anyhow, so no regrets. Besides, it was fun!
    (which is how I know I didn't push myself to the limit..... =)

    Quoted message said:

    Sub-3 at Boston? :-)

    Ha! No, I'll be taking a much needed break from training in the next month or so. Probably won't
    see 40 miles in a week unitl January. No, Boston this year is going to be something to enjoy and
    have fun. I'll try to get a couple of 20s in before then just so I won't hurt myself, but it'll be
    a fun run.

    --Ryan

  8. Tom:

    You've already knocked off 30 minutes from your time, which is an outstanding achievement. FYI, I
    was around a 3:30 last year on a much easier course. If you want to improve your time (which it
    looks like you can do), back off on the training, and get in a spring of quality 5-10k's. I had the
    fortune of living in NYC for much of the year, and took advantage of a race every other weekend or
    so. I was probably averaging ~35mpw during that time. (Has the added advantage of getting into the
    nyc marathon w/o going through the lottery!) That's the best kind of speedwork you can do, although
    it gets expensive out here. I also followed the Glover method (used his "advanced competitor"
    schedule) and ramped up the mileage in June/July. Since you look to have done a similar thing this
    year, I'd concentrate on the shorter distances and improve your speed in the spring before tackling
    a marathon in the fall.

    Of course, I also had a bout of ITBS (ran a 20 miler in March on no training) which broke me in late
    April and a really bad crippling (strained muscle, pinched nerve, who knows?) back pain late
    July/early August (probably due to my cross-country move). What I'm trying to say is that you've
    gotta be careful and avoid those injuries, and not be afraid to shut down if you get one.

    Oh yeah, regarding that hill -- by mile 17 I knew it was coming, so I was thinking about how I was
    going to feel good going over it, and that I'd hold back and start my push on the hill and once I
    hit the top, it was all downhill from there. Great psychological trick.

    Good luck!

    --Ryan

    "Beasley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ryan,

    That time is an incredible time for such a hilly 2nd half course,


    but I

    Quoted message said:

    can't really compare it to others. Just imagine what you could have


    run had

    Quoted message said:

    that monstor hill been there at mile 20 and 21. Hopefully some day


    I can

    Quoted message said:

    come close to a time like that.

    Tom

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