Muscle Tear-HELP!

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I'm seven days away from the Boston Marathon. I have put in some good
training for the last 20 weeks and feel great. About three weeks ago I
got some pain in my right quad, nothing major and I trained through it. A
sharp tight pain that would radiate from above my knee to the upper third
of my quad. Sometimes it would spread to the groin. It would also hurt
when I was taking my pants on and off. I'm 99% sure its not a stress
fracture since I have no pain on the bone with palpation. Plus, the pain
goes on and off a lot, like muscle tears do.

Just between you and me, I'd get a bone scan to make sure. I've heard about
strange, diffuse pain like that becoming a stress fracture, or even a real
break. A couple of examples come to mind among the members of this list,
both serious runners.

Also, if it hurts at all, don't run on it. If it's soft tissue, it may
resolve in a few days if you stop bashing it with running. You might try
putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor man's
ultrasound).

You only lose 1% of your speed if you take 5 days completely off, so you
won't lose all the fitness your hard work gave you.

If it still hurts to run on it on the day of your race, it's gonna be a
loong day...

Good luck,

Dan

Joe,
No troll, the truth is you shouldn't even try it, it's just too soon,
and I can almost guarantee you will end up as a DNF, with a severe
injury. The only hope you have is to not run beteen now and then, and
hope you heal sufficently for the race. You may get other opinions, but
I'm a purist who beieves you should not run a marathon unless you are
at 110%.

Joe,
This [censored] (Twittering moron) is not a runner, never raced, never
trained seriously, and never ran more than 3 miles. She's an [censored],
and a nastry dyke who knows jackshit about running, which is obvious by
the useless advice she gave you. Since you have her blocked like the
rest of RR, you didn't see her message anyway.

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Just between you and me, I'd get a bone scan to make sure.>

Good idea!

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Also, if it hurts at all, don't run on it. If it's soft tissue, it

may
resolve in a few days if you stop bashing it with running.>

True.

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You might try

putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor
man's
ultrasound).>

I'm not sure where he got this idea, but a heating pad is not anywhere
near an ultrasound. One heats your leg, the other takes a picture
(scan) of it.

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You only lose 1% of your speed if you take 5 days completely off, so

you
won't lose all the fitness your hard work gave you.>

At this point he needs to forget about speed all together, and think
more along the lines of just finishing. Because THIS I GUARANTEE, if
you go out fast with that injury, you will not finish. It is just too
soon.

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Joe,
You'd better concentrate on just finishing, and forget about times.
Muscle tears will only heal if you do DNR on it.

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You might try

putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor
man's
ultrasound).>

One does as a camera, the other as a blow torch. How are they related
by someones income?

Twittering dingleberry has also has never run or raced any distance,
nor ever done a marathon.
'Nuff said?

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Twittering dingleberry has also has never run or raced any distance,
nor ever done a marathon.

but her poetry is awesome and she inspires me
everyday...oh...wait...twitterin' gone? I thought you meant someoen else.
no, she sucks

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'Nuff said?

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You might try

putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor
man's
ultrasound).>

One does as a camera, the other as a blow torch. How are they related
by someones income?

a poor man in the USA might be able to scrape up some material for a hot
compress...while he has it on he can go "beep beep" and pretend.

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Quoted message said:

You might try

putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor
man's
ultrasound).>

I'm not sure where he got this idea, but a heating pad is not anywhere
near an ultrasound. One heats your leg, the other takes a picture
(scan) of it.

Ultrasound is also used as a way to deliver heat to an injured muscle. It's
fairly common among athletes (pro and amateur).

Here's a link: http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00050470.html

"True Grit" <[email hidden]> wrote

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One does as a camera, the other as a blow torch. How are they related
by someones income?

See my reply to LouCfur above...

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<[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

You might try

putting a hot pad over the area off and on throughout the day (poor
man's
ultrasound).>

I'm not sure where he got this idea, but a heating pad is not anywhere
near an ultrasound. One heats your leg, the other takes a picture
(scan) of it.

Ultrasound is also used as a way to deliver heat to an injured muscle.
It's fairly common among athletes (pro and amateur).

Here's a link: http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00050470.html

well, you learn something new everyday.

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Ultrasound is also used as a way to deliver heat to an injured muscle.

It's
fairly common among athletes (pro and amateur).>

Ok you got me there, but wouldn't ultrasound be a rich mans heating
pad? Since a heating pad is what normal people (of all fiscal
persuasions) normally use? I mean it's overkill to use a very expensive
ultrasound machine to do what a heating pad can.

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a poor man in the USA might be able to scrape up some material for a

hot
compress...while he has it on he can go "beep beep" and pretend.>

I prefer just using a blowtorch on my leg.

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Ok you got me there, but wouldn't ultrasound be a rich mans heating
pad? Since a heating pad is what normal people (of all fiscal
persuasions) normally use? I mean it's overkill to use a very expensive
ultrasound machine to do what a heating pad can.

All I know is that when I pulled my hamstring a couple of years ago, I got
2-3 ultrasound treatments, and they were very helpful. Since I have a
super-high deductable on my Health Ins, I decided to switch over to the
heating pad, and it gradually got better using the low-tech approach.

Ultra seems to do an internal spot-heating, and seems to be very effective.
I'd say ultra is 2-3x as effective as the heating pad, but it depends on
who's money your spending...Pros will get many treatments a day, but at $65
a pop, that was out of the question for my cheap self.

-- Dan

Joe said:

What should I do between now and the race? I am so close.

Same as you would do if there was no race:
Take some time off. Let it heal. Do Not Run, until it is healed.

If it is not serious, it will heal in a week or two, and then you
can still run the race. If it is serious, then you are not going to
finish the race anyway. There will be another race.

Most really major injuries happen because a fool tried to run with a
minor injury. The minor injury would have kept him from running for
a few days or weeks. The major injury can last a lifetime.

Your health is worth more than any t-shirt.

Steve

Well I got a bone scan. Its a sfx.

Joe

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Hello,
I'm seven days away from the Boston Marathon. I have put in some good
training for the last 20 weeks and feel great. About three weeks ago I
got some pain in my right quad, nothing major and I trained through it. A
sharp tight pain that would radiate from above my knee to the upper third
of my quad. Sometimes it would spread to the groin. It would also hurt
when I was taking my pants on and off. I'm 99% sure its not a stress
fracture since I have no pain on the bone with palpation. Plus, the pain
goes on and off a lot, like muscle tears do.

During my first taper week, the pain got worse, not unbearable. I was
icing, heating, and using NSAIDS. My wife finally benched me and I took a
day off, water ran today and am planning on resting tomorrow. It is
feeling a lot better than it did last week, but I am still scared I am not
going to make it.

What should I do between now and the race? I am so close.

Thanks,

joe

"Joe" <[email hidden]> wrote

Sorry to hear about that -- you may recall that I thought it might be one.
You're the third case I know of strange non-specific pain being a sfx.

Are you going to get a bone density scan?

Endurance athletes can get low on calcium -- we sweat it out, but often
don't eat enough green vegs/ cheese, etc. I read that it is a big problem
for competitive cyclists.

-- Dan