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  1. From: "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
    Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:57 pm
    Subject: Transfer Factor, Colostrum, and Lactoferrin

    ADVERTISEMENT

    Transfer Factor, Colostrum, and Lactoferrin

    Most snake oils do little more than allow scam artists
    to become wealthy at the expense of your health. However,
    one poison making the rounds on the Internet is enough to
    want to make me stand up and applaud FDA's efforts to
    control alternative health therapies and supplements.

    Lactoferrins and immunoglobulins are passed on to
    mammalian infants from their mother's breast milk.
    It is appropriate during an infant's enormous growth
    stage to receive these substances, but those same
    chemical messengers shoud not reach the unthinking
    brain of an adult.

    Remarkably, some adults are conned into ingesting
    lactoferrins from other species. In this world of Mad
    Cow Disease and other bovine diseases, the marketing
    behind Colostrum, Transfer Factors, and Lactoferrins
    allows normally rational people to subordinate and
    transfer innate reason to idiocy. More Re: Colostrum:

    http://notmilk.com/deb/053099.html

    Thanks to Ian Goddard iamgoddard@y...
    for the following references:
    ___________________________________________________

    Brain Res 1994: "The iron-binding protein
    lactotransferrin is present in pathologic lesions in a
    variety of neurodegenerative disorders [...] An
    excessive accumulation of lactotransferrin, as well as
    transported iron and aluminum, may lead to a cytotoxic
    effect resulting in the formation of intracellular
    lesions and neuronal death."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=7953673

    Acta Neuropathol 1996: "These results suggest that
    lactotransferrin may participate actively in the
    mechanism of neuronal degeneration in Parkinson's
    disease."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=8781654

    Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1995: "These data suggest
    that lactoferrin receptors on vulnerable neurons may
    increase intraneuronal iron levels and contribute to
    the degeneration of nigral dopaminergic neurons in
    Parkinson disease."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=7568181

    Brain Res Brain Res Rev 1998: "New findings on the
    role of LfR (lactotransferrin receptor) [...] in brain
    iron transport, obtained during the past 3 years, are
    important advances in the fields of physiology and
    pathophysiology of brain iron metabolism. According to
    these findings, disruption in the expression of these
    proteins in the brain is probably one of the important
    causes of the altered brain iron metabolism in
    age-related neurodegenerative diseases, including
    Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's disease, Huntington's
    disease and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=9729418

    Brain Research 1994: "The iron-binding protein
    lactotransferrin is present in pathologic lesions in a
    variety of neurodegenerative disorders [...] An
    excessive accumulation of lactotransferrin, as well as
    transported iron and aluminum, may lead to a cytotoxic
    effect resulting in the formation of intracellular
    lesions and neuronal death."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=7953673

    Biochemistry 2003: "Lactoferrin has previously been
    identified in amyloid deposits in the cornea, seminal
    vesicles, and brain. We report in this paper a highly
    amyloidogenic region of lactoferrin (sequence of
    NAGDVAFV) [...] forms amyloid fibrils at pH 7.4 when
    incubated at 37 degrees C. [...] We suggest that such
    a process could be generally important in the
    formation of amyloid fibrils in vivo since the
    identification of both full-length protein and protein
    fragments is common in ex vivo amyloid deposits."

    http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=12525164

    Robert Cohen
    http://www.notmilk.com

  2. Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

  3. Bovine mucous!

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

  4. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see milk
    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans have
    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections or
    strep throats.

  5. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    Bovine mucous!

    And mucous type foods causes germs (like bacteria &
    viruses) to remain in the human body. Thus cow's milk drinking
    humans may get health conditions like ear infections and strep
    throats.

  6. Also irritates the stomache and intestinal linings and causes less calcium
    uptake causing osteoporosis and other calcium deficiencies.

    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see milk
    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans have
    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections or
    strep throats.

  7. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see milk
    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans have
    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections or
    strep throats.

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If someone is
    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because a few
    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from vegetables
    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay away from
    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish because
    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.

    Quoted message said:
  8. On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:27:29 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see milk
    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans have
    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections or
    strep throats.

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If someone is
    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because a few
    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from vegetables
    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay away from
    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish because
    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.


    There is no sense of proportionality from many people in this ng. Its
    all or nothing.

  9. "jt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:27:29 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see


    milk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    strep throats.

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If someone


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because a


    few

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from vegetables
    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay away


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish


    because

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.


    There is no sense of proportionality from many people in this ng. Its
    all or nothing.

    It is a fantasy to blame everything on one thing. The simplification is a
    selling point for products and that is because as soon as your blame it on
    one thing then you can generate a larger population of people buying it.
    If you have athletes foot then you need antioxidant vitamins or if you have
    heart disease then you are in luck as you can have the same vitamin formula.
    If you have Alzheimer's then you need that vitamin and it works better if
    you rub it into your head as it works faster.
    That is so obvious as a scam that as soon as I hear more than one disease
    mentioned with any treatment or avoidance then you can believe for sure that
    it is a scam. Plain and simply.
    The avoid milk book that can save your life on sale now and see how that
    cold that never goes away or that strep throat and ear infections or loss of
    eye sight with age and hearing loss and balding can all be signs of milk
    usage.

  10. On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:10:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    That is so obvious as a scam that as soon as I hear more than one disease
    mentioned with any treatment or avoidance then you can believe for sure that
    it is a scam. Plain and simply.

    What about things that prevent diseases to occure? Do you skip it if
    it prevents against more than one disease because it must be a scam??

    (I think I have heard rumours that penicilline do cure more than just
    one single disease, so be careful. Never use penicilline, it must be a
    scam.)

    I think I would look for other details in a book to use for such
    conclusions:-)

    Regards from one who stayed for about 40 year away from milk products
    and had repeated strep.infections, diagnosed with osteoporosis about
    30 year old (because of far to low Ca and fluorine intake,in fact it
    was changing to fluorinized tooth pastethat mostly did the trick to be
    cured,since at first, Ca increase of intake did not do the trick (This
    country is very low in fluorine by the way)), and have gone to
    youghurt drinking and since then, no strep infections since.

  11. Robert said:

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If


    someone is

    Quoted message said:

    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because


    a few

    Quoted message said:

    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from


    vegetables

    Quoted message said:

    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay


    away from

    Quoted message said:

    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish


    because

    Quoted message said:

    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.

    Robert, thank you! That the best damn post I've seen yet in this
    newsgroup!!

    There are so many people in here who fear foods that have been part of
    mankind's diet for eons. Foods like whole grains, dairy, soy, meat;
    you name it. They read some whacked-out website and instantly the
    misinformation becomes gospel. THEN they think the opposing view of
    their misinformation from the experts is part of some big media
    cover-up. Their level of hysteria is amazing!

    The bottom line is follow the recommendations the *experts* put
    out/check out what sports nutritionists recommend.

    Patrick
    (Fueled by a constant variety of natural whole foods, and at age 42 is
    running half marathons in one hour and 39 minutes, and runs a mile and
    a half in 9 minutes and 32 seconds.)

  12. "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:10:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    That is so obvious as a scam that as soon as I hear more than one disease
    mentioned with any treatment or avoidance then you can believe for sure


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it is a scam. Plain and simply.

    What about things that prevent diseases to occure? Do you skip it if
    it prevents against more than one disease because it must be a scam??

    No examples mentioned there but pathophsyiology is usually specific in
    damage and is therefore specific in treatment in the long run. Even
    supposedly similar conditions can have differing origins. Rhematoid
    arthritis is arthritis but it is different from osteoarthritis.

    Quoted message said:


    (I think I have heard rumours that penicilline do cure more than just
    one single disease, so be careful. Never use penicilline, it must be a
    scam.)


    Penicilline does not have eyes on the molecule. It goes after some bacterial
    infections. It specifically prevents gram postitive bacteria and others with
    similar cell wall structures. It is not a broad spectrum antibiotic and has
    very limited anti-bacterial activity against gram negative bacteria.
    If somebody on the street corner is selling penicillin and tellls people
    that it will cure all infections then it is a scam.

    Quoted message said:


    I think I would look for other details in a book to use for such
    conclusions:-)

    Regards from one who stayed for about 40 year away from milk products
    and had repeated strep.infections, diagnosed with osteoporosis about
    30 year old (because of far to low Ca and fluorine intake,in fact it
    was changing to fluorinized tooth pastethat mostly did the trick to be
    cured,since at first, Ca increase of intake did not do the trick (This
    country is very low in fluorine by the way)), and have gone to
    youghurt drinking and since then, no strep infections since.

    The problem I have is generalizations that people make. As I mentioned
    before that if one has a specific problem with milk or anything else then
    they should avoid it.
    If you are allergic to penicillin then don't take it ever but to tell others
    not to take penicillin because you react to it is stupid.
    Maybe you can help me out with references to milk and strep throat as I
    found none in PubMed and being an educated individual as yourself, I am sure
    you didn't just go with folklore.

  13. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Robert said:

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If


    someone is

    Quoted message said:

    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because


    a few

    Quoted message said:

    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from


    vegetables

    Quoted message said:

    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay


    away from

    Quoted message said:

    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish


    because

    Quoted message said:

    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.

    Robert, thank you! That the best damn post I've seen yet in this
    newsgroup!!

    There are so many people in here who fear foods that have been part of
    mankind's diet for eons. Foods like whole grains, dairy, soy, meat;
    you name it. They read some whacked-out website and instantly the
    misinformation becomes gospel. THEN they think the opposing view of
    their misinformation from the experts is part of some big media
    cover-up. Their level of hysteria is amazing!

    The bottom line is follow the recommendations the *experts* put
    out/check out what sports nutritionists recommend.

    Patrick
    (Fueled by a constant variety of natural whole foods, and at age 42 is
    running half marathons in one hour and 39 minutes, and runs a mile and
    a half in 9 minutes and 32 seconds.)


    Seriously as a health care professional we see all kinds of weird things
    that people do and don't do. They never volunteer any info because they are
    so embarrassed about what they did.

  14. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:10:58 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    If somebody on the street corner is selling penicillin and tellls people
    that it will cure all infections then it is a scam.

    That was not your definition of a scam. Curing more than one disease
    you said was a scam.

    Penicilline kill more than one strand of bacteria (which in itself
    could also lead to different diseases), so from your primary
    definition, penicilline ads should be a scam.

    Nobody I believe would disagree with you that it would be a scam if
    some producers says penicilline cure every thinkable disease. But that
    was not your primary definition.

  15. Many people do see milk for what it is. A money making toxin.

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see


    milk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans have
    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    strep throats.

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If someone is
    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because a


    few

    Quoted message said:

    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from vegetables
    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay away


    from

    Quoted message said:

    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish


    because

    Quoted message said:

    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.

    Quoted message said:
  16. "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:10:58 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    If somebody on the street corner is selling penicillin and tellls people
    that it will cure all infections then it is a scam.

    That was not your definition of a scam. Curing more than one disease
    you said was a scam.

    Infection is caused by one bacterial type and if we use your definition then
    it is one disease. Somebody else might have another infection or another
    disease within your definition. Bacterial infections are specific for the
    bacterial type and are multiple diseases. Each infection is treated
    individually or with multiple infections having multiple antibiotics for
    each indvivdual infection.
    It is a scam to say that penicillin will cure all infections and anyone who
    does not understand that then they will have to live with it.

    Quoted message said:


    Penicilline kill more than one strand of bacteria (which in itself
    could also lead to different diseases), so from your primary
    definition, penicilline ads should be a scam.

    Really. What in world are you arguing about?
    The arguement is so obvious but you still insist on playing the
    undefensable.
    Antibiotics can kill a type of bacteria that may or may not present with one
    or more symptoms. If the person has many symptoms with the same etiology
    such as bacterial infection it is denoted as bacterial in origin. You are
    argueing that because the person has bacterial meningitis and a bacterial
    sore throat that they are different diseases or the same?
    You are really stretching it.

    Quoted message said:


    Nobody I believe would disagree with you that it would be a scam if
    some producers says penicilline cure every thinkable disease. But that
    was not your primary definition.


    Your position is bizarre and my argument related to the origin of disease.
    "Origin" of disease is specific while symptoms are not.
    A definitive diagnoses implies a specific origin.
    A sore throat is not a disease it is a symptom. Group A strep throat
    pharyngitis is different than viral pharyngitis.
    To say that penicillin will cure all pharyngitis is a scam.
    Let me repeat myself to say that a supplement when taken will cure multiple
    diseases is probably a scam. It should raise a red flag. It is a marketing
    approach to increase revenue.

  17. Just think what you could do if you stopped ingesting all those poisons!

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    Quoted message said:

    Patrick
    (Fueled by a constant variety of natural whole foods, and at age 42 is
    running half marathons in one hour and 39 minutes, and runs a mile and
    a half in 9 minutes and 32 seconds.)

  18. "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Many people do see milk for what it is. A money making toxin.

    Just a curiosity on what you give babies for food?
    A bottle of coca cola?

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > Most rational people see milk for what it is, Milk.

    It is too bad that most rational people do not see


    milk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as containing heavy, thick casein protein which many humans


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    trouble digesting - causing health conditions like ear infections


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    strep throats.

    Like I said most "rational " people see milk for what it is. If someone


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    allergic to it or reacts to it then that is a different story.
    Most irrational people tell people to stay away from all milk because a


    few

    Quoted message said:

    react to it.
    Stay away from meat because of mad cow disease. Stay away from


    vegetables

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because of pesticides and E. coli. Stay away from water because of
    fluoridation. Stay away from wheat because of celiac disease. Stay away


    from

    Quoted message said:

    sugar because of diabetes and yeasts infections. Stay away from fish


    because

    Quoted message said:

    of mercury and dioxin levels.
    Stay away from cars because they are involved in traffic accidents.
    Please tell me what else to stay away from?
    People see milk for what it is and that is milk.

    Quoted message said:
  19. "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Regards from one who stayed for about 40 year away from milk products
    and had repeated strep.infections, diagnosed with osteoporosis about
    30 year old (because of far to low Ca and fluorine intake,in fact it
    was changing to fluorinized tooth pastethat mostly did the trick to be
    cured,since at first, Ca increase of intake did not do the trick (This
    country is very low in fluorine by the way)), and have gone to
    youghurt drinking and since then, no strep infections since.

    Then your strep throats were caused by low levels of good
    flora in your colon.
    And youghurt drinking re-established good colon flora.

  20. "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Many people do see milk for what it is. A money making toxin.

    Please explain more why cow's milk is a toxin.

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