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Go the KH20, avoid the cost/hassle of gettin your wheel rebuilt and have
yourself a superior frame that is designed specifically with a splined
hub in mind, no need for weird size spacers and things. And it's orange!
What more could u ask for?!

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You couldn't get the KH frame for $100 and it is a great frame by all
accounts, so from this perspective it is a great deal. On the other hand
loads of people don't have the frame and get on just fine, me included.
I've never heard of a broke 20" Nimbus frame (that's not to say it
hasn't happened!). You'd probably spend the money on having the wheel
rebuilt with the new hub tho. I guess it's largely a convenience issue
and what you'd do with the extra $$$ anyway.

Plus with B you get to choose whether it's an Onza or KH (or Qu-Ax if
they get em in NZ, I think Profiles are a bit over $500?? Not sure) and
this option is always a bonus. Plus you get a unique-ish unicycle into
the bargain.

The Nimbus is a great entry level unicycle assuming you're not going to
go big, particularly in drops. You could perhaps get muni as well? Or a
nice freestyle unicycle. Option C is really about what *you* want to get
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KH20..im getting one!! as soon as my birthday comes around and i have
some money 🙂

pete...the new ones are black/greyish

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Thanks for all that guys. Wow I guess im going to have to sleep on this
one... Im glad i found out if i got a splined setup i would have to
rebuild the wheel, i didn't know that, I though they could just swap the
hubs over.
Overall I think im going to go with the Nimbus, because I do muni aswell
the larger clearance on the Nimbus might come in handy in the mud.
Basically now i just need to decide what to get with my Nimbus.........I
think i'll find out how much rebuilding the wheel will cost, I can do 4
foot drops so i think i'll probably bend the cranks fairly quickly,
though i am very light......i dunno, time will tell.

Keep the suggestions coming....

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they directly swapped the hubs on my nimbus 24 muni, from standard to a
splined KH set......

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If they do it right off and for free, the Nimbus/KH uni sounds good.
The Nimbus frame isn't as strong (but is still strong enough) and
doesn't have as good of a foot rest as the KH, but it should be quite a
bit lighter. I guess the big difference is the seatpost diameter. The
larger diameter of the KH makes it stronger and less likely to twist.

I don't think I helped much. Oh well 🙄

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unicyclistjoe said:

*they directly swapped the hubs on my nimbus 24 muni, from standard to
a splined KH set...... *

That is pretty cool. a wheel build generally costs about £25UK, so if
UDC do it for you, then it's a gift! I think a splined set-up is
definately the way to go for four footers, no matter how light you are.
No point going cotterless, breaking/bending the cranks and then shelling
out for a splined hub/crank set.

Ah yeah, the one bad point about the KH set on a regular frame is the
bearing shields don't sit flush with the bearing holders (as they are
designed for the machined KH housings). Not super notieable but it is
something I'd like to change on mine. I know regular spacers that will
fit can be found, so it my be worth asking UDC if they have any.

Thinking about it you may as well go with the KH unless you want another
unicycle badly. The frame is designed for the hub and has a better seat
post style i.e it's thicker. But again I don't think there would be a
*major* difference between the frames. So maybe the $100 could go
elsewhere? New pedals? Saddle parts? Pads? Who knows!!! Think on it
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unicyclistjoe said:

*they directly swapped the hubs on my nimbus 24 muni, from standard to
a splined KH set...... *

ay? who's "they"?

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unicyclistjoe said:

*they directly swapped the hubs on my nimbus 24 muni, from standard to
a splined KH set...... *

BS or uninformed? you can't swap hubs with out rebuilding the wheel. and
usually you have to get custom spokes.

mike clark

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it was the bike shop, they had to rebuild the wheel, yes, but they used
the original bits (except for the hub and crank of course)

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One option is to buy a uni with:
- Yuni frame
- KH hub and cranks
- KH seat
- Monty tyre and rim (or Alex DX-32 rim)

for somewhere between $500 and $600 Australian. Or a $800 - $900AUD
KH20.

(from unicycles.com.au)

Just another option. You're probably loyal to the NZ unicycle.com guys
though, which is fair enough.

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If I was to get splined hub/crank set with my Nimbus then it would be an
Onza as that is all unicycle.co.nz have. Just wondering is the Onza hub
any different to a KH hub? Would it fit better on the Nimbus frame,
because so far everyone has just been talking about if i got a KH hub I
would need spacers etc, but i was just wondering if that would still
apply for an Onza hub..

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onetrack said:

*

BS or uninformed? you can't swap hubs with out rebuilding the wheel.
and usually you have to get custom spokes.

mike clark *

Unless the place that is doing the switching has hundreds of unicycle
wheels already built in several combinations

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munimanpete said:

*If I was to get splined hub/crank set with my Nimbus then it would be
an Onza as that is all unicycle.co.nz have. Just wondering is the Onza
hub any different to a KH hub? Would it fit better on the Nimbus
frame, because so far everyone has just been talking about if i got a
KH hub I would need spacers etc, but i was just wondering if that
would still apply for an Onza hub.. *

Hmm, well in my earlier post I thought you were thinkin of the KH hub
but with the onza hub, lemme see, you'll like this:

Onza Frame = NimbusII Frame
NimbusII Frame = Onza Frame

Only difference is the colour of the frame.

Nimbus Trials ($500) + Onza Hub & Cranks ($400) = Same setup as a $1200
Onza!!

Ridiculous really but that's the way it goes, the tyre, rim, frame,
seat, cranks & hub would all be same as the factory Onza. Another
advantage is that then you'd have a spare CrMo hub (valued at $75),
cranks (valued at $25) and possibly also spare spokes.

The downside is you'd need to do a wheelbuild which by the way isn't
impossibly hard (I did one on my 20"😉 see
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html if you wanna have a go
yourself.

Also I had a look at http://www.unicycle.uk.com/SpokeCalc.asp and
according to that, required spoke lengths are:
-"Onza Hub & Alex DX32 Rim" requires 178.05mm spokes
and
-"Uni.com Hub & Alex DX32 Rim" requires 177.48mm spokes

Only half a mm difference so you might get away with it, I'm not sure
(does anyone know?).

cheers
Pete

PS The difference between the Onza hubs and the KH hubs is that the Onza
has 36 splines and the KH has 8 splines which, in my estimation makes
the Onza stronger (more contact surface), the onza hub probably looks a
bit flashier too, dunno what the difference in weight is though.

Onza cranks have a "low q-factor" so they point out slightly diagonally
away from the unicycle, fairly pointless if you ask me.

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pete, if the nimbus frame is the same thing as the Yuni, there is a
difference between the onza and nimbus frame... the onza has 2 plugs in
the tops of crown and tapers from oval, to pointed oval, on each side of
the frame. not sure why, exactly, but that's how it is.
also, 36 spline? does that mean you couldn't put profile cranks on an
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The Onza Frame and yuni/nimbus two frame are not the same, although they
have the same design. The main difference being the size of tubing.
The onza uses larger diameter tubing, including the seat tube. The Yuni
uses a 22.2 mm seat tube, and the Onza uses what I assume to be a 27.2,
but could be a 25.4. In either case, it's larger than a 22.2.

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TheBadger587 said:

*the onza has 2 plugs in the tops of crown and tapers from oval, to
pointed oval*

But isn't that what the NimbusII design is like? - I know the NimbusII
24" has 2 plugs etc.

Max_Dingemans said:

*Yuni uses a 22.2 mm seat tube, and the Onza uses what I assume to be
a 27.2, but could be a 25.4. In either case, it's larger than a 22.2.
*

That's a good point, it's a 27.2mm seat tube on the Onza so yeah,
include an extra seatpost in the order (about $15).

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Isn't the Onza frame Chromoly as opposed to regular steel??

Quoted message said:

Onza cranks have a "low q-factor" so they point out slightly
diagonally away from the unicycle, fairly pointless if you ask me

I find it to be better for pedal grabs onto most things, particularly
where the edge of the object isn't perpendicular to the floor. I really
like the Q factor. Plus no nubs. I think even the '04 KHs have a slight
nub still.

The number of splines has been discussed in a few previous threads and I
think it was decided that the number isn't really the issue. More how
well made they are and also something to do with the root diameter of
the spindle/axle. Either way I don't think the KH has had many/any
spline problems.

I do highly recommend the Onza hub/crank set for trials with a
Yuni/Nimbus/Qu-Ax frame.

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