MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Moran said:

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> > > > This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects

here,

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and
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > things are said over and over again.
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> > > > Selling is NOT a sin.
> > > >
> > > > EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
> > > >
> > > > MANY MLM people first used the product and got results,

therefore

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they
> > are
> > > > eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
> > > >
> > > > The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
> > > >
> > > > Sad they have so much hatred.
> > >
> > > Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take

advantage of

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> > > the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."
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> > Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.
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> > Peter Moran
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> Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly

IS

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spam?

Junk email.

It's also commonly used to describe commercial advertisements on Usenet,
although it has now been expanded to mean any excessively crossposted or
multiposted article:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1

That's what I thought.

A first!

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This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and the

same

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things are said over and over again.

Selling is NOT a sin.

You support prostitution?

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So let's put aside our "feelings" and discuss the numerous sources of
objective data which show that MLM is among the most inefficient
business models known, has (by far) the highest personal failure rate
of any business model ever studied, is quite often by its own innate
principles harmful and/or disruptive to human relationships, is often
manipulative and unforthright in its claims, and in many cases has
been found to be an illegal pyramid scheme. And much more...

Or maybe since you don't feel that any of this applies to you
personally that MLM must be a good and positive thing overall? (in
which case we can also discuss the psychology of denial.)

Jan is in denial? You have got to be kidding!

Not!

She is the Cleopatra of m.h.a.

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Yeah, that's it -- when someone challenges you with real facts and
real statistics, run and hide!

LOLOLOL.

Again, if you want to discuss the statistical data available (FTC,
etc..) about MLM, I'll be happy to spend the time. It's not a pretty
picture, but I'm guessing that doesn't bother you.

Tell me, besides the pie-in-the-sky MLM down-line recruitment scheme,
what product is it you're selling via MLM? Just curious.

Jan sells bogus ideas.

Just check her teeth.

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From: Paige Turner [email hidden]
Date: 9/19/2003 4:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Tell me, besides the pie-in-the-sky MLM down-line recruitment scheme,
what product is it you're selling via MLM? Just curious.

Paige

I sell nothing. I am retired after 38 years of owning two daycare centers. I
have no desire to sell anything.

If you had been here very long, you would have known that, but your response is
typical.

This has all been said before, it's the same ole same ole.

This ng has proclaimed all MLMer's are scumbags, they aren't.

The shoot um at dwan is a debunker trait.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=MLM+misc+health+
alternative+2000&btnG=Google+Search

Jan

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From: Paige Turner [email hidden]
Date: 9/19/2003 4:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Tell me, besides the pie-in-the-sky MLM down-line recruitment scheme,
what product is it you're selling via MLM? Just curious.

Paige

I sell nothing. I am retired after 38 years of owning two daycare centers.

I

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have no desire to sell anything.

If you had been here very long, you would have known that, but your

response is

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typical.

This has all been said before, it's the same ole same ole.

This ng has proclaimed all MLMer's are scumbags, they aren't.

The shoot um at dwan is a debunker trait.

Dawn? Why waste a good sunrise?

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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=MLM+misc+health+
alternative+2000&btnG=Google+Search

Jan

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I sell nothing. I am retired after 38 years of owning two daycare centers. I
have no desire to sell anything.

If you had been here very long, you would have known that, but your response is
typical.

Ah, OK Jan. Fair enough. But that doesn't change the fact that MLM,
while barely legal, represents one of the unhealthiest, most lopsided
and failure-prone business models ever devised by a free-market. You
and some others may think it's "OK" but in fact the statistics tell
another story. I can share facts with you, if you're able to accept
the truth. Otherwise, I guess it's just more of the same ad hominem
diatribe.

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This ng has proclaimed all MLMer's are scumbags, they aren't.

I think most people get into MLM without really understanding the
card-house that it is. They are not to blame -- they are victims of
their own naiveté and gullibility. I will say that many of the
business leaders who originally form a MLM operation are indeed
scumbags (actually, that's too nice a term for them...) for they know
the statistics, they know that 98% or more of the people who invest in
their pipe-dream are simply "paying the price of admission to a
business they will soon abandon." Many of the MLM executives are on
their 3rd or 4th MLM start-up -- see, the vast majority of MLM
companies don't last more than a few years.

The scumbags are those who finally realize the true and perverse
nature of the MLM game, yet chose to stay in it for monetary gain --
on the backs of countless failed entrepreneurs who are lured into a
dream that they can never achieve.

So, Jan, while you seem sincere in your support of MLM, I'm afraid the
facts are clear -- it's not a healthy business model. I will say that
I've been reading your posts on Ritalin and will agree with many of
your points. I've read a bit on the subject and believe that this drug
is grossly over-prescribed and/or mis-prescribed. I think that in many
cases of childhood behavioral issues, we need look no farther than the
parents.

Anyway, I'll stop picking on you -- but I really think if you would
simply read some of the key FTC (et al) data on MLMs, you wouldn't
maintain your positive opinions.

Best wishes,
PT

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: Paige Turner [email hidden]
Date: 9/19/2003 5:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
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(Jan) said:

I sell nothing. I am retired after 38 years of owning two daycare centers. I
have no desire to sell anything.

If you had been here very long, you would have known that, but your response

is

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typical.

Ah, OK Jan. Fair enough. But that doesn't change the fact that MLM,
while barely legal, represents one of the unhealthiest, most lopsided
and failure-prone business models ever devised by a free-market. You
and some others may think it's "OK" but in fact the statistics tell
another story. I can share facts with you, if you're able to accept
the truth. Otherwise, I guess it's just more of the same ad hominem
diatribe.

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This ng has proclaimed all MLMer's are scumbags, they aren't.

I think most people get into MLM without really understanding the
card-house that it is. They are not to blame -- they are victims of
their own naiveté and gullibility. I will say that many of the
business leaders who originally form a MLM operation are indeed
scumbags (actually, that's too nice a term for them...) for they know
the statistics, they know that 98% or more of the people who invest in
their pipe-dream are simply "paying the price of admission to a
business they will soon abandon." Many of the MLM executives are on
their 3rd or 4th MLM start-up -- see, the vast majority of MLM
companies don't last more than a few years.

The scumbags are those who finally realize the true and perverse
nature of the MLM game, yet chose to stay in it for monetary gain --
on the backs of countless failed entrepreneurs who are lured into a
dream that they can never achieve.

So, Jan, while you seem sincere in your support of MLM, I'm afraid the
facts are clear -- it's not a healthy business model. I will say that
I've been reading your posts on Ritalin and will agree with many of
your points. I've read a bit on the subject and believe that this drug
is grossly over-prescribed and/or mis-prescribed. I think that in many
cases of childhood behavioral issues, we need look no farther than the
parents.

Anyway, I'll stop picking on you -- but I really think if you would
simply read some of the key FTC (et al) data on MLMs, you wouldn't
maintain your positive opinions.

Best wishes,
PT

The MLMer's I know do indeed sell a health product. It helps many conditions, I
talked with people who have used them.

Best to you also.

Jan

(Jan) said:

The MLMer's I know do indeed sell a health product. It helps many conditions, I
talked with people who have used them.

No arguments there, Jan. Some MLMer's indeed sell health products that
work. What they won't tell you is that, in virtually all cases,
equivalent or better products are available without the outrageous and
(IMO) unethical MLM "upline" mark-up's -- often doubling, even
tripling, the nominal market value of a product.

PT