MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and the
same
things are said over and over again.

Selling is NOT a sin.

EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they are
eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.

Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same
things are said over and over again.

Selling is NOT a sin.

EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they

are

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Quoted message said:

eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.

Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 9/17/2003 10:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same
things are said over and over again.

Selling is NOT a sin.

EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.

Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

The same ole, same ole.

The MLMer's that I know are fine honest people who first used the product with
very good results. They are neither scammers and their customers aren't
gullible and no one is hawking anything and the product is not bogus.

So this same ole, same ole shows nothing but hatred towards those you don't
even know.

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Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Point made!!

You both sound like Quack Barrett, who states no naturopath can be trusted.

And yet, you see no coverups, no fraud, and no lies, when they have been
proven.

So much for both opinions.

So much for the behavior and hatred coming from doctors.

Jan

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

same
things are said over and over again.

Selling is NOT a sin.

EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.

Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly IS spam?

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Selling is NOT a sin.

Depends on what it is you're selling and how it's being sold.

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EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

No. But that's a red herring, anyway.

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MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they are
eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

In virtually all cases, you can find an equivalent non-MLM product
that works as well or better, costs less, and doesn't have the
outrageously negative social consequences associated with its
marketing. If someone simply wants to 'make a living' from selling
products, they will have an enormously greater chance of success via a
traditional commercial model.

Only those who pursue the slimy recruitment aspects of the MLM pyramid
stand to prosper in any sustainable manner, but they trade their souls
in the process.

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Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

Everything is wrong about MLM marketing models. It's a sucker's game
with sand as its foundation.

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The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.

Empty words. I can give you facts and numbers behind the abuses and
empty dreams promoted by MLM schemes. MLM supporters are largely full
of emotional outbursts and hand waving -- not much different really
than the tactics used at MLM recruitment functions.

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Sad they have so much hatred.

Hatred? When you see gullible people being duped, and you spend time
warning people with facts about MLM, this shows care and concern for
others, not hatred. Your statements are largely non-factual, including
this last doozey.

PT

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 9/17/2003 10:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

> This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here, and

the

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> same
> things are said over and over again.
>
> Selling is NOT a sin.
>
> EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
>
> MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they

are

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> eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
>
> Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
>
> The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
>
> Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

The same ole, same ole.

The MLMer's that I know are fine honest people who first used the product with
very good results. They are neither scammers and their customers aren't
gullible and no one is hawking anything and the product is not bogus.

Really? Name one. I'm sure they won't mind the publicity in this
newsgroup for their "business."

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So this same ole, same ole shows nothing but hatred towards those you don't
even know.

Not hatred. Just healthy skepticism. If something sounds too good to be
true (as most MLM's and their products do), it probably is too good to
be true.

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Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Point made!!

You both sound like Quack Barrett, who states no naturopath can be trusted.

And yet, you see no coverups, no fraud, and no lies, when they have been
proven.

Logical fallacies used:

1. Ad hominem
2. Straw man

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So much for both opinions.

So much for the behavior and hatred coming from doctors.

Again, no hatred, just a healthy skepticism for extraordinary claims.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paige Turner said:

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> MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they
> are
> eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

In virtually all cases, you can find an equivalent non-MLM product
that works as well or better, costs less, and doesn't have the
outrageously negative social consequences associated with its
marketing. If someone simply wants to 'make a living' from selling
products, they will have an enormously greater chance of success via a
traditional commercial model.

Only those who pursue the slimy recruitment aspects of the MLM pyramid
stand to prosper in any sustainable manner, but they trade their souls
in the process.

And, then, they only profit if they found the MLM business or get into
it early on, before the pyramid scheme starts to fall apart.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

> This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here,

and

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the

Quoted message said:

> same
> things are said over and over again.
>
> Selling is NOT a sin.
>
> EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
>
> MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore

they

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are

Quoted message said:

> eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
>
> Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
>
> The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
>
> Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly IS

spam?

Junk email.

Peter Moran

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Peter Moran said:

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
> > This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here,

and

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the
> > same
> > things are said over and over again.
> >
> > Selling is NOT a sin.
> >
> > EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
> >
> > MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore

they

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are
> > eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
> >
> > Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
> >
> > The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
> >
> > Sad they have so much hatred.
>
> Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
> the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly IS

spam?

Junk email.

It's also commonly used to describe commercial advertisements on Usenet,
although it has now been expanded to mean any excessively crossposted or
multiposted article:

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: Paige Turner [email hidden]
Date: 9/18/2003 5:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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> Selling is NOT a sin.

Depends on what it is you're selling and how it's being sold.

Nope.

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EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

No. But that's a red herring, anyway

Run out of things to say, did ya??

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MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they are

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> eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

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In virtually all cases, you can find an equivalent non-MLM product
that works as well or better, costs less, and doesn't have the
outrageously negative social consequences associated with its
marketing.

Well, I guess some people don't have time to search.

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If someone simply wants to 'make a living' from selling
products, they will have an enormously greater chance of success via a
traditional commercial model.

*In your opinion*

Doesn't make MLMer's scumbags as is said here.

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Only those who pursue the slimy recruitment aspects of the MLM pyramid
stand to prosper in any sustainable manner, but they trade their souls
in the process.

Oh really? Your experience is much different than mine.

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Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

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Everything is wrong about MLM

PLONK!

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 9/17/2003 10:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
> > This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here,

and

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the
> > same
> > things are said over and over again.
> >
> > Selling is NOT a sin.
> >
> > EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
> >
> > MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore

they

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are
> > eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
> >
> > Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
> >
> > The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
> >
> > Sad they have so much hatred.
>
> Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage

of

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> the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

The same ole, same ole.

The MLMer's that I know are fine honest people who first used the

product with

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very good results. They are neither scammers and their customers aren't
gullible and no one is hawking anything and the product is not bogus.

Really? Name one. I'm sure they won't mind the publicity in this
newsgroup for their "business."

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So this same ole, same ole shows nothing but hatred towards those you

don't

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even know.

Not hatred. Just healthy skepticism. If something sounds too good to be
true (as most MLM's and their products do), it probably is too good to
be true.

And how would you recognize one that is true?

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Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Point made!!

You both sound like Quack Barrett, who states no naturopath can be

trusted.

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And yet, you see no coverups, no fraud, and no lies, when they have been
proven.

Logical fallacies used:

1. Ad hominem
2. Straw man

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So much for both opinions.

So much for the behavior and hatred coming from doctors.

Again, no hatred, just a healthy skepticism for extraordinary claims.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Peter Moran said:

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> "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> > > This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects

here,

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and

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> the
> > > same
> > > things are said over and over again.
> > >
> > > Selling is NOT a sin.
> > >
> > > EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
> > >
> > > MANY MLM people first used the product and got results,

therefore

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they

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> are
> > > eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
> > >
> > > Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
> > >
> > > The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
> > >
> > > Sad they have so much hatred.
> >
> > Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take

advantage of

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> > the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."
>
> Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.
>
> Peter Moran

Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly IS

spam?

Junk email.

It's also commonly used to describe commercial advertisements on Usenet,
although it has now been expanded to mean any excessively crossposted or
multiposted article:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1

That's what I thought.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Orac said:

It's also commonly used to describe commercial advertisements
on Usenet, although it has now been expanded to mean any
excessively crossposted or multiposted article:

That should be qualified to mean commercial advertisements
posted to Usenet discussion newsgroups. There are Usenet
newsgroups which specifically allow the postings of ads.
misc.health.alternative is not one of them.

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> > Selling is NOT a sin.

Depends on what it is you're selling and how it's being sold.

Nope.

Yup.

Here are just a few examples:

- Deceptive marketing
- Harmful addictive drugs
- Defective or Dangerous products
- Selling with intent to defraud
- Ponzi Rackets
- Illegal Pyramids
- Offshore Tax Havens
- Patent and Trademark infringement

Need more? Call this stuff "sin" or call it illegal and immoral. It's
bad stuff no matter what you call it. Indeed, the ethics of commerce
depends entirely on what you're selling, and how you are selling it.

Granted, most of this does not apply to MLM (except in some cases of
deception and iilegal pyramids), but you didn't qualify your
statement.

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EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

No. But that's a red herring, anyway

Run out of things to say, did ya??

You don't know me very well.

Let's see -- I breathe air that wasn't "sold by somebody." I drink
local artesian spring water that wasn't "sold by somebody." I eat
organic food grown in my garden from seeds harvested by me (and which
many of the original seeds were given to me by gardener neighbors.)

Want more?

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MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore they are
> > eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.

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In virtually all cases, you can find an equivalent non-MLM product
that works as well or better, costs less, and doesn't have the
outrageously negative social consequences associated with its
marketing.

Well, I guess some people don't have time to search.

As I've said, if people want to pay ridiculously inflated prices for
stuff they could easily find and purchase elsewhere, that's their
business. Those people fit Armstrong's Alternative Definition of the
word "marketing," which is: "The subtle art of manipulation and
deception in selling [censored] to idiots."

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If someone simply wants to 'make a living' from selling
products, they will have an enormously greater chance of success via a
traditional commercial model.

*In your opinion*

No, proven and documented fact. The FTC has a massive collection of
such comparative statistics. But I guess you're not interested in
sticking around to hear about "facts." They're sooo booring.

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Doesn't make MLMer's scumbags as is said here.

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Only those who pursue the slimy recruitment aspects of the MLM pyramid
stand to prosper in any sustainable manner, but they trade their souls
in the process.

Oh really? Your experience is much different than mine.

How does it make you feel? I mean, when you're up there giving that
wonderful MLM pep talk to gullible downline prospects -- fully knowing
that the vast majority (>98%) of these will never turn a profit or
create any kind of sustainable business for themselves? (FTC
statistics).

How does it feel, knowing that the goods (or services) you're selling
are grossly and artificially overpriced? How do you feel turning the
sacred trust of friends and family into "business prospects" for your
overpriced goods?

Shame on you.

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> Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.

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Everything is wrong about MLM

PLONK!

Plonk? Does that mean I've been kill-filed?

Yeah, that's it -- when someone challenges you with real facts and
real statistics, run and hide! How pathetic, and how appropriately
representative of the MLM lifestyle and mindset.

PT

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Subject: Re: MLM, Same Ole, Same Ole
From: Paige Turner [email hidden]
Date: 9/18/2003 7:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>> > Selling is NOT a sin.

Depends on what it is you're selling and how it's being sold.

Nope.

Yup.

Here are just a few examples:

- Deceptive marketing
- Harmful addictive drugs
- Defective or Dangerous products
- Selling with intent to defraud
- Ponzi Rackets
- Illegal Pyramids
- Offshore Tax Havens
- Patent and Trademark infringement

The same could be said for anyone other than MLMer's which is the topic.

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Need more?

No thanks.

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Call this stuff "sin" or call it illegal and immoral.

That's the norm for debunkers, they are famous for calling names. Like I said,
same ole, same ole, all being repeated.

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Indeed, the ethics of commerce
depends entirely on what you're selling, and how you are selling it.

Which doesn't apply to MLMers.

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Granted, most of this does not apply to MLM (except in some cases of
deception and iilegal pyramids), but you didn't qualify your
statement.

Sure, I did. See the title.

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EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.

No. But that's a red herring, anyway

Run out of things to say, did ya??

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You don't know me very well.

True, I do well know tricks of the debunkers.

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Doesn't make MLMer's scumbags as is said here.

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Yeah, that's it -- when someone challenges you with real facts and
real statistics, run and hide!

LOLOLOL.

That's Happy Dog's line.

Still here after almost four years. YOU??

Jan

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Teacher said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

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So this same ole, same ole shows nothing but hatred towards those you

don't

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even know.

Not hatred. Just healthy skepticism. If something sounds too good to be
true (as most MLM's and their products do), it probably is too good to
be true.

And how would you recognize one that is true?

If the person selling it could produce good scientific evidence from
well-designed clinical trials showing that his claim for his remedy at
least has some good evidence to back it up.

Note: This is almost NEVER the case with remedies sold by MLM scammers.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

Orac said:

It's also commonly used to describe commercial advertisements
on Usenet, although it has now been expanded to mean any
excessively crossposted or multiposted article:

That should be qualified to mean commercial advertisements
posted to Usenet discussion newsgroups. There are Usenet
newsgroups which specifically allow the postings of ads.
misc.health.alternative is not one of them.

Didn't I just say that originally the word "spam" WAS qualified to mean
commercial advertisements? My entire point was that the commonly
accepted meaning of "spam" on Usenet has been expanded from that
original meaning to include pretty much all excessively crossposted or
multiposted articles. This is different from e-mail, where the term
"spam" is pretty much completely restricted to commercial advertisements
sent by e-mail.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Indeed, the ethics of commerce
depends entirely on what you're selling, and how you are selling it.

Which doesn't apply to MLMers.

The ethics of commerce doesn't apply to MLM'ers? Seriously?

MLM sells wildly overpriced goods using highly questionable marketing
techniques, often attracting the most gullible elements of society
(the sick, the unemployed...). If your conscious isn't bothering you,
fine. You're a perfect spokesperson for MLM. Welcome.

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True, I do well know tricks of the debunkers.

Good for you.

So let's put aside our "feelings" and discuss the numerous sources of
objective data which show that MLM is among the most inefficient
business models known, has (by far) the highest personal failure rate
of any business model ever studied, is quite often by its own innate
principles harmful and/or disruptive to human relationships, is often
manipulative and unforthright in its claims, and in many cases has
been found to be an illegal pyramid scheme. And much more...

Or maybe since you don't feel that any of this applies to you
personally that MLM must be a good and positive thing overall? (in
which case we can also discuss the psychology of denial.)

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Yeah, that's it -- when someone challenges you with real facts and
real statistics, run and hide!

LOLOLOL.

Again, if you want to discuss the statistical data available (FTC,
etc..) about MLM, I'll be happy to spend the time. It's not a pretty
picture, but I'm guessing that doesn't bother you.

Tell me, besides the pie-in-the-sky MLM down-line recruitment scheme,
what product is it you're selling via MLM? Just curious.

Paige

Hi Dave from Lowlife!

How's the ginseng business these days?

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In article <[email hidden]>,
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> This rolls around ever so often, just like the over subjects here,

and

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> same
> things are said over and over again.
>
> Selling is NOT a sin.
>
> EVERYTHING we use in life is sold by somebody.
>
> MANY MLM people first used the product and got results, therefore

they

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> eager to help others, and make a living at the same time.
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> Nothing wrong about that whatsoever.
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> The debunkers get their shorts in a wad over nothing.
>
> Sad they have so much hatred.

Sad that you are so eager to defend MLM scammers who take advantage of
the gullible hawking questionable or downright bogus "remedies."

Not to mention them being one of the major generators of spam.

Peter Moran

Spam? That term gets tossed around an awful lot here. What exactly IS

spam?

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