MICHAEL JACKSON NOT GUILTY

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I also believe the mother of the boy should have been thrown in jail for
"Child
endangerment" the one question to ask yourself is: Would you let your child
have
a sleep-over with a 42 year old person in their bedroom?

I don't know about you but I think not.

Dimitri

There is less and less competent parenting these days. In more than
half the American househlds there is no parent at home most of the
time, an absentee parent is more detrimental to a child's development
than no parent at all... a foster home or addoption is a far better
choice for those who'd bring children into the world but choose not to
parent full time. And with so many single parent households or with
both mother and father working, chidren are effectively abandoned...
day care centers are a cop-out rationalization, they're no different
from kennels... it's no wonder so many of today's youth ends up in
prison, they are from the cradle made used to a cage. When you foist
your child upon a Child Day-Care Institution you are still the
mother/father but you are NOT a parent.

You're trying to get me started right?

I think the school boards should be held criminally responsible for FRAUD!

They're taking tax dollars and "graduating illiterate people" That's taking
money under false pretenses.

I paid for 16 years of private education for 4 daughters. Their education was
My responsibility and I would not abdicate that responsibility to some state
idiots.

Dimitri

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dimitri said:

You're trying to get me started right?

I think the school boards should be held criminally responsible for FRAUD!

They're taking tax dollars and "graduating illiterate people" That's taking
money under false pretenses.

I paid for 16 years of private education for 4 daughters. Their education
was
My responsibility and I would not abdicate that responsibility to some state
idiots.

Hear, hear! We would live in a shack (and were prepared to, we lived
in a 900 square ft duplex with three little boys, until this job came
along) before we'd send our kids to public school. We pay for private
school, I homeschool the preschool kids (new decision, the older two
went to preschool) and we do as much fun learning as possible at home.
We live in the woods and there are ample opportunities to teach them
about plants and animals and their dad is a pilot who teaches them about
weather and lift and flying and mechanics. They are better behaved and
much more curious about the world than the kids fed on television and
self-esteem.

Regards,
Ranee (who thinks that self-worth, knowledge and hard work are more
important than self-esteem and has yet to meet anyone who didn't esteem
his/herself a little too much)

Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

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On Tue 14 Jun 2005 11:42:27a, notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Obviously, you must have been there. Maybe in his bed, too.

One need not be there to realize this is one sick puppy. He openly
admits his preference for bedding kids. Also, your childish comment
was uncalled for.

Sorry, nb, I apologize. However, I am getting sick of everyone
pontificating about the "truth" they "know"! Unless you have first hand
knowledge, then you simply don't know.

I'll be the first to admit that Michael Jackson is one of the strangest
people ever known to the public. However, that provides no proof of the
acts he was allegedly accused of. If there was clear and irrefutable
evidence of this, he would have been convicted.

Was it impossible that any of this might have occurred? No, anything is
possible, but you can't convict someone on possibility.

--
Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

"BeautyBuyNature.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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NOT GUILTY

this is a surprise? The case was a little short on fact, to say the least.

I am glad to see the 9th circuit's dominions has not adopted the
"guilt-by-innuendo" method of trial used in certain other parts of the
country.

Dimitri said:

"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Dimitri"

Quoted message said:

I think the school boards should be held criminally responsible for FRAUD!

They're taking tax dollars and "graduating illiterate people" That's taking
money under false pretenses.

They are providing an educational environment. There's a saying, "You can
lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink". There are some
pretty well-educated students coming out of public schools. What's the
difference between those kids and the kids who are illiterate? I'll give
you a hint, it isn't the teachers!

Quoted message said:

I paid for 16 years of private education for 4 daughters. Their

education was

Quoted message said:

My responsibility and I would not abdicate that responsibility to some state
idiots.

There are a lot of state idiots in California. None of them actually do
any educating. Education is strictly under local control, although the
state keeps passing more and more ridiculous laws and regulations. They
seem to feel that they can improve education by passing laws and raising
the standards, all the while cutting back the funding. California has one
of the lowest per pupil spending rates in the US. I wonder why education
is in trouble? The latest law is that no textbook can be longer than 200
pages! It doesn't matter what the level or area is. The thought is that
students should be getting their details off the internet, so the
textbooks should have general stuff and lots of URLs pointing to where to
get the details. Of course, the poorer schools tend to have fewer high
speed connections, and poor families sometimes have little or no computer
access at all at home.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS
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Local control my ass:

LA unified spends over 9 BILLION DOLLARS OF TAX MONEY A YEAR and it ain't
enough.

http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/lausd/committees/bfat/pdf/exsum200203.pdf

See page 22.

Have you really looked at a Mickey Dee's or Denny's Menu? They're PICTOGRAPHS!

Sure there are some exceptions but good lord man, the system is BROKEN.

See what Sheldon started.

Me? I never brought up any educational system, especially not the CA
educational system... how could I, they don't have one. hehe

Sheldon

Terry Pulliam Burd said:

notbob said:

BeautyBuyNature.com said:

NOT GUILTY

Oh swell! More reinforcement for Michael to continue his perverted
antics. That jury ...or perhaps the judge... should be put up on
charges.

I wasn't a juror who was presented with all the evidence and testimony
available and neither were you, but I've thought all along that
Jackson isn't guilty as this prosecutor has presented the charges.
From what I can infer, he is likely asexual and so disconnected with
reality, so unable to exercise good judgment that he really thinks he
can be playmates with these kids. The bit where he said - and proudly
- in a national interview that he slept platonically with the boys
was more or less a "tell," as they say in gambling, for me. He
actually sees no problem with an adult male sleeping with juvenile
males b/c he's just "one of the boys" himself with no sexual agenda.
And he *has* no sexual agenda b/c he is asexual, IMHO.

I actually have used the term "Michael Jackson Syndrome" to define a
person who is so wealthy and famous that they have no one around them
with the power to give him or her a reality check, just a bunch of
flunkies on his or her payroll. Who in Michael Jackson's entourage is
gonna say, "Hey, Michael, maybe putting young boys in your bed is a
reeeally bad idea and sends out reeeally bad signals..." YMMV, but I
think the only thing MJ is likely guilty of is being an idiot and
surrounding himself with more idiots.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

I totally agree and have from the beginning. He is also guilty of
being really, really strange. I thought all along that Sneddon's
vendetta-ish case was so weak that if MJ's lawyers couldn't get him
acquitted, they would have to be the most incompetent lawyers ever.

I do hope MJ does manage to fade away into nothingness, as far as being
newsworthy goes.

N.

I don't recall ever hearing that MJ was related to these children he
had for sleepovers. And, most importantly, it is pretty naive to think
that 60 to 150 years ago pedopilia was not a possibility or probality when
adult men slept in the bed with male children -- relatives or not.
Happened more than people want to admit.

-- said:

150 years ago in the US, no one thought anything odd when two males slept
in the same bed. They weren't gay. That was the way it was if the inn was
full or a guest came over. And there were two beds for the family.

60 years ago, men and boys in the extended family in much of the US slept in
the same bed when guests were over, or when it was below zero outside and
the oil stove was downstairs, and no one thought badly of it. No gay, no
pedophilia to it.

Today, there must be a wall between anyone over 40 and anyone under 40, and
an adult present whenever men are around children, because "we all know"
that adult males chase children for sexual gratification
- why do we know this? Because the viewer has a boring life and she watches
too much Oprah and Jerry Springer and has such a boring life they are not
like the guests? Or is it because all the brothers, the Uncle Bobs, are
pedophiles that you have to invite over?

Sad state of affairs when every close relative in the US is thought of as a
potential pedophile, and every bit of aberrant behavior is seen as an
indication of irreparable harm to another.

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Dimitri said:

I think the school boards should be held criminally responsible for FRAUD!

They're taking tax dollars and "graduating illiterate people" That's taking
money under false pretenses.

Where is the responsibility of parent and child in your equation? You
make it sound like all a teacher has to do is open up a child's head
to pour in the information and if the information doesn't stick, it's
the school board's fault.

Quoted message said:

I paid for 16 years of private education for 4 daughters. Their education was
My responsibility and I would not abdicate that responsibility to some state
idiots.

Glad you took responsibility for their education. Sorry you feel the
way you do about public education, but it's also obvious you didn't
even try it. If more people like you stayed, holding ALL parties
responsible, maybe public education wouldn't be in the mess you
perceive it to be in at this point.

As people like you flee - only the worst of the worst remain. So,
public education becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. You can point
your finger and act holier than thou, but the fact remains that you
and your children weren't there holding up your end of the deal. You
opted out. You ran, leaving only those who are on the left side of
the Bell Curve to take the very tests you can now point to and claim
you made the correct decision.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:20:35 GMT, Tara <[email hidden]> wrote:

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My older brother and I both attended an extremely rural and, sad to
say, subpar K-12 school. I moved away and graduated from high school
in a different state. My brother stayed and graduated from the rural
school. He is a successful civil engineer with a master's degree. My
bachelor's degree is in finance and my master's degree is in
elementary education. If you are motivated and interested, you will
learn.

<clap! clap!> Absolutely. The dear aulde dad, God rest him, grew up
during the Depression to a mother with a 3rd grade education in
backwoods Alabama. His father died when he was 13 (car accident) and
the only schooling he had was backwoods Alabama schools, obviously. He
was #1 in his graduating class, not that that would have gotten him
anywhere given the school system, but he enlisted in the Army at 18 to
get an education, (there's a hazy part here in my memory that has
something to do with going to an officer prepartory program), but
mercilessly haunted his state senators and eventually got an
appointment to West Point. He also knew that his education was
substandard and stayed up nights, locked in the men's room (only place
that was lighted at night) studying, trying to get up to speed with
his far better educated classmates. When he graduated, it was likely
the proudest day in his family's history.

As you said, if you are motivated and interested, you will learn. I
couldn't be more proud of the dear aulde dad. And he put all his kids
through college.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Sheldon said:

Look at yourself, you're the one who has yet to have a grip on anything
your entire life... gotta be that fercocktah teflon dress. <G>

I've gripped plenty, young man. 😉

Carol

--
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United States:
http://www.stopthehunger.com/
International:
http://www.thehungersite.com/

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And no one can convince me that home schooling in of
itself can provide more than a mediocre and very limited education at
best.

Tell that to the university that has just awarded a big scholarship to Max,
my 15 year old acquaintance who was home schooled. His parents being
military, they decided that home schooling was the only way to ensure that
their two kids received a consistent education. He started university at
the age of 14, taking entry level courses at the local college on a half
time basis and working part time. In September he's off to University for
full-time study.

He's a well-socialized, well-travelled young man.

Gabby

Ranee Mueller said:

Wow. Someone e-mailed me to tell me that there is no such thing as
homeschooling and that failing to put my kids in preschool was the same
as child abuse. Even if I agreed with the first premise, which I don't,
I just don't think I am up to doing all of the kids' schooling, I cannot
fathom how missing out on sandboxes and fingerpaints with loads of
children instead of with a few children is somehow child abuse.

Ignore the idiot. You're doing the right thing, and more power to
you. Several of our extended family members have homeschooled their
kids (one of them has HS'ed 6 of them) all the way through the high
school level and without one exception, they have all gone on to the
college of their choice with high grades, high SAT scores and are
doing just as well in college. And no, they aren't mal-adjusted
antisocial freaks, as some of the classes are taken at schools as is
physical ed and they were mostly allowed access to extracuricular
activities by the school. (The school could hardly deny them this, as
they DO still pay taxes to support the school, and I suppose the
school gets state money every time one of them steps onto the campus).
BTW, sending your kids to most public schools is a LOT closer to child
abuse than what you're doing. I will admit, it takes an exceptional
parent to do what these folks did all the way through high school -
and, frankly, they ARE exceptional parents. Wonder why the talent
skipped over me <G>?

--
The Doc says my brain waves closely match those of a crazed ferret.
At least now I have an excuse.

MarjorieB said:

Absolutely beautifully said. Every word.

You obviously don't have kids in public school now. True?

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At least now I have an excuse.

Damsel said:

I've gripped plenty, young man. 😉

I've been meaning to discuss this trollop attitude of yours with you
<G>

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At least now I have an excuse.

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I totally agree and have from the beginning. He is also guilty of
being really, really strange.

But that's not a crime in the US.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2005/06/08/despres050608.html

I especially like the part where the customs officer says:

"Being bizarre is not a reason to keep somebody out of this country or
lock them up," said Anthony, adding Despres had not violated any
regulations.

--

"Compassion is the chief law of human existence."

Dostoevski, The Idiot

Terry Pulliam Burd said:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:20:35 GMT, Tara <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

My older brother and I both attended an extremely rural and, sad to
say, subpar K-12 school. I moved away and graduated from high school
in a different state. My brother stayed and graduated from the rural
school. He is a successful civil engineer with a master's degree. My
bachelor's degree is in finance and my master's degree is in
elementary education. If you are motivated and interested, you will
learn.

<clap! clap!> Absolutely. The dear aulde dad, God rest him, grew up
during the Depression to a mother with a 3rd grade education in
backwoods Alabama. His father died when he was 13 (car accident) and
the only schooling he had was backwoods Alabama schools,

The school I mentioned was also a backwoods Alabama school! What is
it about backwoods Alabama? The schools aren't great, but the people
are golden.

Tara

Gabby said:

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And no one can convince me that home schooling in of
itself can provide more than a mediocre and very limited education at
best.

Tell that to the university that has just awarded a big scholarship to Max,
my 15 year old acquaintance who was home schooled. His parents being
military, they decided that home schooling was the only way to ensure that
their two kids received a consistent education. He started university at
the age of 14, taking entry level courses at the local college on a half
time basis and working part time. In September he's off to University for
full-time study.

He's a well-socialized, well-travelled young man.

Your acquaintance is lucky he had parents who were educated enough to
provide a rich home school experience for him. His was a case where
home schooling provided something that would have been missing
otherwise: consistency. Military families move around so much that
there are often large gaps in a child's education - not because they
weren't in school, but because the different districts taught on
different schedules.

Gabby said:

Sheldon said:

And no one can convince me that home schooling in of
itself can provide more than a mediocre and very limited education at
best.

Tell that to the university that has just awarded a big scholarship to Max,
my 15 year old acquaintance who was home schooled.

Funny (odd, not ha ha) how you fail to mention *which* University and a
scholarship for *what*... evasive, aren't we... usually the case with
someone hoping to make a sow's ear into a silk purse.

I had lots of HS classmates who did so poorly in their academic
studies they barely graduated but still were granted great scholarships
at Universities in Geogia, Florida, and other low academic level entry
institutions, for football, basketball, track, etc.... they weren't
smart, but being strong like forklift and/or being poor like dirt
carried a lot of weight, especially these days, but even then.

Sheldon

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Forget

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about counting back change... LOL I actually THANK people who know how to
count change back to me at a store and they always look surprised!

Jill

Want to have fun - after they hit the amount tendered on the cash register pull
out the pennies or exact amount of the change less that a dollar and watch the
"PANIC"

;-)

I really can be a snot sometimes (OK most of the time)

Dimitri

jmcquown said:

Back to the topic of home-schooling, my parents couldn't have done it but I
applaud anyone who can. But pre-school? There was no such thing when I was
that age. You went to Kindergarten a half a day. Basic ABC's, 123's.
Learning to work and play well with others. Milk and cookies and taking
naps and then you caught the bus and went home. What's the big deal about
Pre-School? Times sure have changed.

The problem is that kindergarten not only a full day, the curriculum
is basically what you and I learned in first grade - so preK is
absolutely required in most cases.
Prereading skills: http://www.childliteracy.com/pre_reading.html
Premath: http://www.childtime.com/program/2propres.htm

Head Start was supposed to close the gap between the Haves and the
Have Nots, but now parents who make somewhat more are feeling the
pinch (preK is VERY expensive), so we are rolling out Preschool For
All this year.
http://www.ccfc.ca.gov/SchoolReady.htm
http://www.preschoolforall.org/