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  1. I am newbie, been reading lots of your posts and congratulations. Seems
    that most are doing really well on Atkins. I started it 7 weeks ago. I
    only lost 6 pounds, so stayed on Induction the whole first month, still
    no more lost. I called the
    Atkins 800 number to get suggestions, was told that I should go to Owl,
    and accept that I was a slow loser.
    I was averaging 10 to 15 Carbs daily and 1000 Calories, 85 to 120 Fat
    gms.
    I ate almost no veges, raw spinach occaisionlly and string beans. I use
    whipping cream in coffee, put big blobs of Dukes on my ground chuck
    patty fried in canola oil. I love cream cheese but don't care much for
    the rest, so I eat a two ounce chunk of it daily, sometimes twice.
    Bacon, Pork chops, and Ribeye, and Fresh Salmon, and chicken has put a
    dent in my budget....but I have loved every bite. I ty to eat an egg per
    day in some form. I was a sweet-eater, so sug free jello was consumed in
    large quantity at first. I was in Ketosis (but never got beyond the med.
    pink). No matter, I felt better than I had as a teenager (BTW I am 59
    yrs old, live on a limited SSD income, 4' 11" tall, had gained up to 154
    and burst into tears at my doctor's appt. in May.)
    I came home and done the cabbage soup diet for a few days and lost
    the first four. My friend told me about Atkins. I was ecstatic!!! But
    after a month of it, I began to wind down, and my legs and back ached. I
    was very reluctant to get on the teadmill for only a short time versus
    the mile as before....and my weight loss just stopped. Don't get me
    wrong, that mile was walked very slowly, I have Asthma and lost my left
    lung to Cancer a while back. It was the best I could do.
    So I figured I was not getting proper nutrients, so added more veges
    daily. and increased Carbs to 22 to 25 daily as instructed by
    nutritionist at Atkins. NO MORE KETOSIS, that was the most wonderful
    appetite suppressant and now it's gone. Before Atkins and Ketosis, I was
    tired and sleepy and slept 8 or 10 hours or more, then all I needed was
    5 or 6. Sadly it was short lived. I have gained back four of the six
    pounds I lost on Atkins.
    How is it possible to gain weight on 25 Carbs and 1200 Calories?
    Thats still almost a "Nothing" diet. All I can assess from this, and
    after reading both Atkins Books from cover to cover....it has to be
    Extreme Metoblic Resistance, which can be almost impossible in my case
    to overcome. I take several medications that may be blocking my weight
    loss. If I suggest Thyroid to my doc, he ain't gonna go for it. He is
    Anti-Atkins anyway.
    What do ya'll think about my dilemma here? Please, any suggestions
    will certainly be appreciated. Sorry about the long post. Someone told
    me to try Southbeach if Atkins doesn't work for me.
    After spending still another $18 on their book, I find that the first
    few days of the diet uses 35 to 75 Carbs, and 1300 to 1700 Cal. Move
    over Miss Piggy!
    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    Faye

  2. "Faye R Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    did you know that the less you eat, the slower your metabolism gets, so that
    you can actually gain weight by eating less food? it's true.

    try eating more frequently. i've read that 6 small meals a day is a good
    way to raise the metabolism. that and the walking should help somewhat.

    as for the thyroid issue... if your doctor has not tested your thyroid
    levels, well tell him to test them. the thyroid gland has nothing to do
    with Atkins, so don't even mention the diet. just give your symptoms and
    he'll see that you probably should get it tested anyway.

    good luck...

    -kelly

  3. I've also found that drinking a lot of water, and I mean a LOT of water, can
    solve a lot of the problems that spring up with a low-carb diet.

    Since I started low-carbing, I've been buiying and drinking up to a gallon
    of water a day. I've hit stalls, I don't know if there's a cure for that,
    but lots of good clean water from the first moment you wake can do wonders.
    Try it.
    "

  4. Yes. Lots of water. And also, Faye, you are a smaller person than most.
    Maybe sticking to just 20g of carbs would be better suited for someone your
    size, if that is your limit to keep you in ketosis. If you are drinking
    enough water, the "ketostix" shouldn't be more than light pink.
    Tom
    210/180/180
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've also found that drinking a lot of water, and I mean a LOT of water,


    can

    Quoted message said:

    solve a lot of the problems that spring up with a low-carb diet.

    Since I started low-carbing, I've been buiying and drinking up to a gallon
    of water a day. I've hit stalls, I don't know if there's a cure for that,
    but lots of good clean water from the first moment you wake can do


    wonders.

    Quoted message said:

    Try it.
    "

  5. One thing that can keep you from losing weight no matter what you eat is
    very high insulin production or a messed up thyroid.

    Another thing that can derail the diet is underestimating what you are
    eating because you aren't aware of portion sizes and food values.

    What I'd do, if I were you, would be to use diet software for a week to make
    sure you are really only eating that few calories. (I use Lifeform which
    can be downloaded as shareware at http://www.fitnesoft.com) Weigh your
    portions or measure them with a measuring cup, don't just use the "1
    serving" calories. You may be very surprised when you weigh
    and measure that what you thought was one serving to discover that it is
    really two or even three.

    If you really are only eating the calories you think you are eating, it's
    time to make an appointment with a doctor and demand a full set of thyroid
    tests AND a combination C-Peptide/ Fasting Plasma Glucose test. The latter
    will tell your doctor whether or not you are highly insulin resistant. If
    you are, you may need an anti-insulin resistance drug to be able to lose
    weight.
    --
    Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
    hba1c 5.7 .
    Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

    Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
    strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
    Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    "Faye R Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am newbie, been reading lots of your posts and congratulations. Seems
    that most are doing really well on Atkins. I started it 7 weeks ago. I
    only lost 6 pounds, so stayed on Induction the whole first month, still
    no more lost. I called the
    Atkins 800 number to get suggestions, was told that I should go to Owl,
    and accept that I was a slow loser.
    I was averaging 10 to 15 Carbs daily and 1000 Calories, 85 to 120 Fat
    gms.
    I ate almost no veges, raw spinach occaisionlly and string beans. I use
    whipping cream in coffee, put big blobs of Dukes on my ground chuck
    patty fried in canola oil. I love cream cheese but don't care much for
    the rest, so I eat a two ounce chunk of it daily, sometimes twice.
    Bacon, Pork chops, and Ribeye, and Fresh Salmon, and chicken has put a
    dent in my budget....but I have loved every bite. I ty to eat an egg per
    day in some form. I was a sweet-eater, so sug free jello was consumed in
    large quantity at first. I was in Ketosis (but never got beyond the med.
    pink). No matter, I felt better than I had as a teenager (BTW I am 59
    yrs old, live on a limited SSD income, 4' 11" tall, had gained up to 154
    and burst into tears at my doctor's appt. in May.)
    I came home and done the cabbage soup diet for a few days and lost
    the first four. My friend told me about Atkins. I was ecstatic!!! But
    after a month of it, I began to wind down, and my legs and back ached. I
    was very reluctant to get on the teadmill for only a short time versus
    the mile as before....and my weight loss just stopped. Don't get me
    wrong, that mile was walked very slowly, I have Asthma and lost my left
    lung to Cancer a while back. It was the best I could do.
    So I figured I was not getting proper nutrients, so added more veges
    daily. and increased Carbs to 22 to 25 daily as instructed by
    nutritionist at Atkins. NO MORE KETOSIS, that was the most wonderful
    appetite suppressant and now it's gone. Before Atkins and Ketosis, I was
    tired and sleepy and slept 8 or 10 hours or more, then all I needed was
    5 or 6. Sadly it was short lived. I have gained back four of the six
    pounds I lost on Atkins.
    How is it possible to gain weight on 25 Carbs and 1200 Calories?
    Thats still almost a "Nothing" diet. All I can assess from this, and
    after reading both Atkins Books from cover to cover....it has to be
    Extreme Metoblic Resistance, which can be almost impossible in my case
    to overcome. I take several medications that may be blocking my weight
    loss. If I suggest Thyroid to my doc, he ain't gonna go for it. He is
    Anti-Atkins anyway.
    What do ya'll think about my dilemma here? Please, any suggestions
    will certainly be appreciated. Sorry about the long post. Someone told
    me to try Southbeach if Atkins doesn't work for me.
    After spending still another $18 on their book, I find that the first
    few days of the diet uses 35 to 75 Carbs, and 1300 to 1700 Cal. Move
    over Miss Piggy!
    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    Faye

  6. Uh, yeah.

    --
    You don't have a under active thyroid, you have an over active fork.

    "Faye R Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am newbie, been reading lots of your posts and congratulations. Seems
    that most are doing really well on Atkins. I started it 7 weeks ago. I
    only lost 6 pounds, so stayed on Induction the whole first month, still
    no more lost. I called the
    Atkins 800 number to get suggestions, was told that I should go to Owl,
    and accept that I was a slow loser.
    I was averaging 10 to 15 Carbs daily and 1000 Calories, 85 to 120 Fat
    gms.
    I ate almost no veges, raw spinach occaisionlly and string beans. I use
    whipping cream in coffee, put big blobs of Dukes on my ground chuck
    patty fried in canola oil. I love cream cheese but don't care much for
    the rest, so I eat a two ounce chunk of it daily, sometimes twice.
    Bacon, Pork chops, and Ribeye, and Fresh Salmon, and chicken has put a
    dent in my budget....but I have loved every bite. I ty to eat an egg per
    day in some form. I was a sweet-eater, so sug free jello was consumed in
    large quantity at first. I was in Ketosis (but never got beyond the med.
    pink). No matter, I felt better than I had as a teenager (BTW I am 59
    yrs old, live on a limited SSD income, 4' 11" tall, had gained up to 154
    and burst into tears at my doctor's appt. in May.)
    I came home and done the cabbage soup diet for a few days and lost
    the first four. My friend told me about Atkins. I was ecstatic!!! But
    after a month of it, I began to wind down, and my legs and back ached. I
    was very reluctant to get on the teadmill for only a short time versus
    the mile as before....and my weight loss just stopped. Don't get me
    wrong, that mile was walked very slowly, I have Asthma and lost my left
    lung to Cancer a while back. It was the best I could do.
    So I figured I was not getting proper nutrients, so added more veges
    daily. and increased Carbs to 22 to 25 daily as instructed by
    nutritionist at Atkins. NO MORE KETOSIS, that was the most wonderful
    appetite suppressant and now it's gone. Before Atkins and Ketosis, I was
    tired and sleepy and slept 8 or 10 hours or more, then all I needed was
    5 or 6. Sadly it was short lived. I have gained back four of the six
    pounds I lost on Atkins.
    How is it possible to gain weight on 25 Carbs and 1200 Calories?
    Thats still almost a "Nothing" diet. All I can assess from this, and
    after reading both Atkins Books from cover to cover....it has to be
    Extreme Metoblic Resistance, which can be almost impossible in my case
    to overcome. I take several medications that may be blocking my weight
    loss. If I suggest Thyroid to my doc, he ain't gonna go for it. He is
    Anti-Atkins anyway.
    What do ya'll think about my dilemma here? Please, any suggestions
    will certainly be appreciated. Sorry about the long post. Someone told
    me to try Southbeach if Atkins doesn't work for me.
    After spending still another $18 on their book, I find that the first
    few days of the diet uses 35 to 75 Carbs, and 1300 to 1700 Cal. Move
    over Miss Piggy!
    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    Faye

  7. On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:50:05 -0400, "Jenny"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    C-Peptide/ Fasting Plasma Glucose test. The latter

    Quoted message said:

    will tell your doctor whether or not you are highly insulin resistant. If
    you are, you may need an anti-insulin resistance drug to be able to lose
    weight.

    Jenny,

    If a person has been eating LC for a couple of years, would this
    combination test of C-Peptide/FPG test still show insulin resistance?

    PoohBear

  8. You are quoting some very specific carb and calories counts. Do you
    actually measure this, as with http://www.FitDay.com ?

    My suspicion is that you are eating more calories than you think.

    Being unable to achieve ketosis at 22 carbs per day does not add up either.

    Get a kitchen scale and weigh your portions and log them into Fitday.

    "Faye R Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am newbie, been reading lots of your posts and congratulations. Seems
    that most are doing really well on Atkins. I started it 7 weeks ago. I
    only lost 6 pounds, so stayed on Induction the whole first month, still
    no more lost. I called the
    Atkins 800 number to get suggestions, was told that I should go to Owl,
    and accept that I was a slow loser.
    I was averaging 10 to 15 Carbs daily and 1000 Calories, 85 to 120 Fat
    gms.
    I ate almost no veges, raw spinach occaisionlly and string beans. I use
    whipping cream in coffee, put big blobs of Dukes on my ground chuck
    patty fried in canola oil. I love cream cheese but don't care much for
    the rest, so I eat a two ounce chunk of it daily, sometimes twice.
    Bacon, Pork chops, and Ribeye, and Fresh Salmon, and chicken has put a
    dent in my budget....but I have loved every bite. I ty to eat an egg per
    day in some form. I was a sweet-eater, so sug free jello was consumed in
    large quantity at first. I was in Ketosis (but never got beyond the med.
    pink). No matter, I felt better than I had as a teenager (BTW I am 59
    yrs old, live on a limited SSD income, 4' 11" tall, had gained up to 154
    and burst into tears at my doctor's appt. in May.)
    I came home and done the cabbage soup diet for a few days and lost
    the first four. My friend told me about Atkins. I was ecstatic!!! But
    after a month of it, I began to wind down, and my legs and back ached. I
    was very reluctant to get on the teadmill for only a short time versus
    the mile as before....and my weight loss just stopped. Don't get me
    wrong, that mile was walked very slowly, I have Asthma and lost my left
    lung to Cancer a while back. It was the best I could do.
    So I figured I was not getting proper nutrients, so added more veges
    daily. and increased Carbs to 22 to 25 daily as instructed by
    nutritionist at Atkins. NO MORE KETOSIS, that was the most wonderful
    appetite suppressant and now it's gone. Before Atkins and Ketosis, I was
    tired and sleepy and slept 8 or 10 hours or more, then all I needed was
    5 or 6. Sadly it was short lived. I have gained back four of the six
    pounds I lost on Atkins.
    How is it possible to gain weight on 25 Carbs and 1200 Calories?
    Thats still almost a "Nothing" diet. All I can assess from this, and
    after reading both Atkins Books from cover to cover....it has to be
    Extreme Metoblic Resistance, which can be almost impossible in my case
    to overcome. I take several medications that may be blocking my weight
    loss. If I suggest Thyroid to my doc, he ain't gonna go for it. He is
    Anti-Atkins anyway.
    What do ya'll think about my dilemma here? Please, any suggestions
    will certainly be appreciated. Sorry about the long post. Someone told
    me to try Southbeach if Atkins doesn't work for me.
    After spending still another $18 on their book, I find that the first
    few days of the diet uses 35 to 75 Carbs, and 1300 to 1700 Cal. Move
    over Miss Piggy!
    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    Faye

  9. Poohbear,

    How long you've been low carbing has no effect on tests for insulin
    resistance. They look at the amount of insulin being produced by your body
    (C-peptide is a byproduct of insulin manufacture) and at how good a job that
    insulin has done at controlling the blood sugar.

    For example, if you are making a low amount of insulin being made and a nice
    normal fasting blood sugar near 85 mg/dl, then your insulin is working well
    and your cells aren't resisting it. That is ideal.

    If you have a high amount of insulin being made (as I do) but your fasting
    blood sugar is near 100 mg/dl or even higher, then that insulin isn't
    working well probably because your cells are resisting it. If the insulin
    resistance is very high, you won't lose weight even while low carbing. That
    has happened to me.

    If you have a low amount of insulin being made and a high fasting blood
    sugar say one near 125 mg/dl or higher, then you may be a diabetic who has
    burnt out, non-functional beta cells that are no longer making enough
    insulin to control the blood sugar. You may or may not have insulin
    resistance, but in this case, this test combo won't tell you about it.

    BTW, if a person is shooting insulin, the C-peptide test only reflects the
    amount of insulin that their own body is making, not the injected insulin.

    --
    Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
    hba1c 5.7 .
    Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

    Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
    strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
    Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    "poohbear" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:50:05 -0400, "Jenny"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    C-Peptide/ Fasting Plasma Glucose test. The latter

    Quoted message said:

    will tell your doctor whether or not you are highly insulin resistant. If
    you are, you may need an anti-insulin resistance drug to be able to lose
    weight.

    Jenny,

    If a person has been eating LC for a couple of years, would this
    combination test of C-Peptide/FPG test still show insulin resistance?

    PoohBear

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I am newbie, been reading lots of your posts and congratulations. Seems

    Hi Faye, welcome to the group! You'll find a lot of support, inspiration and
    information here (you'll also find trolls -- ignore them).

    Quoted message said:

    large quantity at first. I was in Ketosis (but never got beyond the med.
    pink). No matter, I felt better than I had as a teenager (BTW I am 59

    Being in ketosis is like being pregnant -- you are or you aren't. It doesn't
    matter if it only goes to medium pink -- that's STILL ketosis. BARELY PINK is
    STIL ketosis. If it goes to magenta, chances are you aren't drinking enough
    water. I rarely check the sticks anymore.

    Quoted message said:

    So I figured I was not getting proper nutrients, so added more veges
    daily. and increased Carbs to 22 to 25 daily as instructed by
    nutritionist at Atkins. NO MORE KETOSIS, that was the most wonderful
    appetite suppressant and now it's gone. Before Atkins and Ketosis, I was
    tired and sleepy and slept 8 or 10 hours or more, then all I needed was
    5 or 6. Sadly it was short lived. I have gained back four of the six
    pounds I lost on Atkins.

    What kind of vegetables did you add back? Not all veggies are equal when it
    comes to carbs and/or glycemic index. Some common stallers are aspartame, coffee
    (debatable) and sugar alcohols that are found in many low-carb bars, shakes and
    other pre-packaged products. If you drink diet sodas, consider switching to Diet
    Rite, which uses Splenda instead of aspartame. Jello brand gelatin uses
    aspartame. Google this group for Kool-Aid jello recipes that use Splenda
    instead. As far as coffee goes, if you are hooked on regular coffee, taper off
    slowly using partial decaf to avoid killer caffeine withdrawal headaches.

    Quoted message said:

    I realize it sounds unbelievable, but some of those days my total
    calories was only 600. I keep a food dairy of everything I eat.

    Consistently going too low in calories can actually cause you to STALL because
    your body may sense that you are in a famine situation and will do what it can to
    CONSERVE fat and energy output. The rule of thumb here is to start out at 10-12
    times your CURRENT body weight. If 12 is too much, drop down to 10. Some people
    have to drop down to 8 in order to lose weight. Calories DO make a difference,
    at least in my case, but it can a fine line between too much, just right and too
    little.

    As suggested by others, try using Fitday.com (free and non-spamming) to keep
    track of what you are eating. Get a decent digital scale (you can find good
    deals on eBay) and weigh and measure EVERYTHING. Make sure you are taking a good
    multi-vitamin, and drink LOTS of water. While getting enough fat is important,
    it IS possible to be getting too much fat, so you may want to cut back on that a
    little. It's also important to make sure you get enough fiber. Once out of
    induction, you can add nuts to your menu. I've gotten into the habit of having
    flaxmeal/hazelnut-meal/protein powder cereal every day.

    I feel for you -- I lose very slowly compared to many others (I'm 49 and also
    have some physical problems, especially with my feet, so going for walks is out
    for me). That said, I've lost 54 lbs in a little over a year. After the initial
    water loss in the first two weeks (only 7 lbs in my case), I'm lucky if I lose 1
    lb/week. My usual pattern is to lose 1-3 lbs every couple of weeks. I had a
    couple of months in a row where I lost 6 lbs, though, and I was AMAZED :-) Not
    long after that I stalled for 6 weeks for no apparent reason. HOWEVER, during
    those 6 weeks my body did some impressive reshaping, so it wasn't for naught.
    The body needs time to adjust to changes. The most important thing is to stay
    the course. While I always look for weight loss, I no longer get so frustrated
    when it doesn't happen. I know it WILL happen eventually and, in the meantime, I
    feel SOOOOO much better than I did before. I ALWAYS notice that my body is
    getting smaller in places BEFORE it shows up on the scale -- sometimes as much as
    a WEEK before it shows up, so the scale isn't always the best indicator of
    success. The improvements in my overall health and well-being since going low-
    carb are nothing short of miraculous as far as *I* am concerned, and THAT'S what
    keeps me on track.

    I agree with others that you should probably get your thyroid checked, along with
    checking for insulin resistance. Hang in there!

    --
    Saffire
    205/151/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

  11. Thanks everyone for your support. If my doc refuses to do the thyroid
    tests, there's more docs besides him. He did however do bloodwork for
    Diabetes (two different tests, he said) but no GTT, and no test to
    determine if excessive insulin is present.
    Has anyone tried the sweetner Stevia?
    I found it at the GNC Store, it was $9.99 for a small bottle of powder.
    The liquid and packs (100 ct) was $12.99. The amount to use is
    supposedly just a pinch. It has not been approved by the FDA for a
    sweetner, but sold as nutrition supplement. I do not like it, It leaves
    a nasty bitter taste even worse than sacchirin...which is a far cry from
    the "pleasant licorice after-taste" supposedly.
    Yes, I am guilty of Aspartame....it's dirt cheap where Splenda is
    rather expensive. I cannot tolerate any cola diet drinks, my favorite is
    Sunkist Diet Orange...again uses Aspartame. It is sooo good and can't
    tell it's diet.
    You guys have been at this longer than me, I asked for advise so
    Aspartame's gotta go. I shall miss it....been using it for several years
    even though wasn't actually dieting.
    Thanks so much for your support. If it's ok, I would like to be part
    of the group.

  12. Do you watch Jerry Springer?

    --
    Wrong, idiot. You got fat before you ever had problems with insulin because
    you ate too much for the activity level of your repulsively corpulent
    body. -- the usual suspect

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks everyone for your support. If my doc refuses to do the thyroid
    tests, there's more docs besides him. He did however do bloodwork for
    Diabetes (two different tests, he said) but no GTT, and no test to
    determine if excessive insulin is present.
    Has anyone tried the sweetner Stevia?
    I found it at the GNC Store, it was $9.99 for a small bottle of powder.
    The liquid and packs (100 ct) was $12.99. The amount to use is
    supposedly just a pinch. It has not been approved by the FDA for a
    sweetner, but sold as nutrition supplement. I do not like it, It leaves
    a nasty bitter taste even worse than sacchirin...which is a far cry from
    the "pleasant licorice after-taste" supposedly.
    Yes, I am guilty of Aspartame....it's dirt cheap where Splenda is
    rather expensive. I cannot tolerate any cola diet drinks, my favorite is
    Sunkist Diet Orange...again uses Aspartame. It is sooo good and can't
    tell it's diet.
    You guys have been at this longer than me, I asked for advise so
    Aspartame's gotta go. I shall miss it....been using it for several years
    even though wasn't actually dieting.
    Thanks so much for your support. If it's ok, I would like to be part
    of the group.

  13. The "two different tests" your doctor did for diabetes were a Fasting Plasma
    Glucose and Hba1c both of which have been shown by immense amounts of
    research to completely miss Impaired Glucose Tolerance and insulin
    resistance in a large percentage of the population. The problem is that your
    insurance probably won't pay for the tests that will give a diagnosis.

    If you can see an endocrinologist, that's what I'd suggest you do. Family
    doctors follow the ADA practice guidelines which recommend those two tests
    despite the growing body of research that shows that they fail to diagnose
    diabetes in people who have it using the standard still used in Europe and
    the rest of the world.

    Unfortunately, women in particular tend to develop diabetes in a pattern
    where their post meal blood sugar control disappears long before their
    fasting blood sugar control, which keeps the HBa1c low despite very high
    blood sugars during the day, which means that they often have serious
    diabetic complications by the time they are finally diagnosed.

    Ask your doctor for the actual test values on your fasting glucose test and
    Hba1c (he may call it the "hemoglobin" test.) If the hba1c is over 6.0% and
    the fasting is over 100 mg/dl you may very well have diagnosable impaired
    glucose tolerance and should see an endocrinologist given the problems with
    weight control.

    -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
    hba1c 5.7 .
    Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

    Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
    strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
    Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks everyone for your support. If my doc refuses to do the thyroid
    tests, there's more docs besides him. He did however do bloodwork for
    Diabetes (two different tests, he said) but no GTT, and no test to
    determine if excessive insulin is present.
    Has anyone tried the sweetner Stevia?
    I found it at the GNC Store, it was $9.99 for a small bottle of powder.
    The liquid and packs (100 ct) was $12.99. The amount to use is
    supposedly just a pinch. It has not been approved by the FDA for a
    sweetner, but sold as nutrition supplement. I do not like it, It leaves
    a nasty bitter taste even worse than sacchirin...which is a far cry from
    the "pleasant licorice after-taste" supposedly.
    Yes, I am guilty of Aspartame....it's dirt cheap where Splenda is
    rather expensive. I cannot tolerate any cola diet drinks, my favorite is
    Sunkist Diet Orange...again uses Aspartame. It is sooo good and can't
    tell it's diet.
    You guys have been at this longer than me, I asked for advise so
    Aspartame's gotta go. I shall miss it....been using it for several years
    even though wasn't actually dieting.
    Thanks so much for your support. If it's ok, I would like to be part
    of the group.

  14. Everybody is metabolically resistant, and everybody can control it.

    --
    Wrong, idiot. You got fat before you ever had problems with insulin because
    you ate too much for the activity level of your repulsively corpulent
    body. -- the usual suspect

    "Jenny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The "two different tests" your doctor did for diabetes were a Fasting


    Plasma

    Quoted message said:

    Glucose and Hba1c both of which have been shown by immense amounts of
    research to completely miss Impaired Glucose Tolerance and insulin
    resistance in a large percentage of the population. The problem is that


    your

    Quoted message said:

    insurance probably won't pay for the tests that will give a diagnosis.

    If you can see an endocrinologist, that's what I'd suggest you do. Family
    doctors follow the ADA practice guidelines which recommend those two tests
    despite the growing body of research that shows that they fail to diagnose
    diabetes in people who have it using the standard still used in Europe and
    the rest of the world.

    Unfortunately, women in particular tend to develop diabetes in a pattern
    where their post meal blood sugar control disappears long before their
    fasting blood sugar control, which keeps the HBa1c low despite very high
    blood sugars during the day, which means that they often have serious
    diabetic complications by the time they are finally diagnosed.

    Ask your doctor for the actual test values on your fasting glucose test


    and

    Quoted message said:

    Hba1c (he may call it the "hemoglobin" test.) If the hba1c is over 6.0%


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the fasting is over 100 mg/dl you may very well have diagnosable impaired
    glucose tolerance and should see an endocrinologist given the problems


    with

    Quoted message said:

    weight control.

    -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2


    diabetes,

    Quoted message said:

    hba1c 5.7 .
    Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

    Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
    strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
    http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

    Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
    Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks everyone for your support. If my doc refuses to do the thyroid
    tests, there's more docs besides him. He did however do bloodwork for
    Diabetes (two different tests, he said) but no GTT, and no test to
    determine if excessive insulin is present.
    Has anyone tried the sweetner Stevia?
    I found it at the GNC Store, it was $9.99 for a small bottle of powder.
    The liquid and packs (100 ct) was $12.99. The amount to use is
    supposedly just a pinch. It has not been approved by the FDA for a
    sweetner, but sold as nutrition supplement. I do not like it, It leaves
    a nasty bitter taste even worse than sacchirin...which is a far cry from
    the "pleasant licorice after-taste" supposedly.
    Yes, I am guilty of Aspartame....it's dirt cheap where Splenda is
    rather expensive. I cannot tolerate any cola diet drinks, my favorite is
    Sunkist Diet Orange...again uses Aspartame. It is sooo good and can't
    tell it's diet.
    You guys have been at this longer than me, I asked for advise so
    Aspartame's gotta go. I shall miss it....been using it for several years
    even though wasn't actually dieting.
    Thanks so much for your support. If it's ok, I would like to be part
    of the group.

  15. Try eating less.

    --
    Does WebTV come with a button that says 'POST SOMETHING REALLY DUMB?' --
    MFW

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Then why in hell can't you control your metobolic resistant mouth, J C ?
    What's the JC stand for...Justa [censored]....
    no doubt.

  16. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:38:24 -0400)
    MsgId: <[email hidden]>

    Then why in hell can't you control your metobolic resistant
    mouth, JC ? What's the JC stand for...Justa [censored]....
    no doubt.

    High Road: Two exits ago.

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