Meal help

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I have got to tell you. I am really sick of turkey, stock and the rest.
I don't hate it. I'm just sick of it. Gimme a good beef or pork thing.
I'll sit withe my apple juice waitig.

So what? The hospice meal is not about your tastes.

Janet.

sueb said:

The salt in the ham might be a no-no with a lot of meds, for example.

Susan B.

Which ones in particular?

ilaboo said:

sorry i did not mention this in my previous post--
many hospice patients cannot swollow
before you even think of bringing food get a good idea on how ill the
patients are--sometimes the smell of food will make patients very ill

plese let us know who the meal is for --staff or patients

hth
peter

And many can... so you have to use common sense and provide a variety of
textures and flavors so that (hopefully) everyone can find something to
tempt the palate.
Yet the meal obviously can't be customized to every single patient's
wants and desires and needs....so you do the best you can and hope for
the best.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:54:18 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>

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OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness
are that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible
due to mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some
cooking for friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy,
small pieces, things in which flavor was more important than chewing.

I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I
would love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with
frustration if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--

I agree with this. Usually by the time one is in hospice care, they
are pretty close to dying, like within days or a week or two. By
then, the body is starting to shut down and appetite is not there,
plus other bodily ailments might make eating difficult. If this is
for the staff, it might be a different matter, but if it is for both
patients and staff, then you really have to consider what they truly
can eat. You have to put your wants aside and consider what they truly
will want to eat. Not what you necessarily want to serve them.

I think Judith is right: research first what they have been eating and
why.

Christine

Okay, I *think* if we can keep Martha sober we will do some research
here. The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
main entree. We can do blandish food with a flair. I know for a fact the
mac and cheese will be killer. Don't know whose recipe I'll use but it
will be good. We still have to deal with the kitchen situation. I'm still
leaning towards ham but I will consult with the staff. It is kind of
weird. I take snacks in all the time. I never noticed the situation.

I need a lot more information. I appreciate the help from everyone. This
is not something I do often.

Michael

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Giusi said:

You've had many good suggestions, but seem stuck on ham. Maybe it won't
matter, but folks that grew up not eating it because of restrictions may be
really turned off. Why not smoked turkey? There used to be bargain prices
this time of year in the US on that.

I would dislike smoked turkey myself, so maybe a good compromise is some
of each. Easily done.

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OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness are
that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible due to
mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some cooking for
friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy, small pieces, things
in which flavor was more important than chewing.

Mouth ulcers and such are often more a problem with patients taking
chemo. Hospice patients aren't usually on *those* types of drugs. If
they're having a lot of problems it is the disease process. We used to
give patients some drugs (Megace, or Merinol) in hopes of stimulating an
appetite (the munchies!) and it worked for some.

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I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I would
love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with frustration
if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--

Each patient is different. you can't custom make 60 meals to suit
everyone to a T, you just can do the best you can and hope it serves the
majority well.

Christine Dabney said:

I agree with this. Usually by the time one is in hospice care, they
are pretty close to dying, like within days or a week or two.

Sadly this is both true and untrue. MANY people are on Hospice care for
months, even a year or two is not unheard of. Yet sadly the majority of
people in private homes only sign up for this care in the last weeks
when they could have benefited from the services months earlier.

Janet Baraclough said:

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The salt in the ham might be a no-no with a lot of meds, for example.

Susan B.

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What in hell would they care about? Sodium? These folks are dying of AIDS.

So some of them may be in kidney failure or have fluid retention, and
salt could make them feel worse.

Janet.

And others might be on drugs that require full sodium diets. <shrug>

Janet Baraclough said:

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from "Michael \"Dog3\"" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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I have got to tell you. I am really sick of turkey, stock and the rest.
I don't hate it. I'm just sick of it. Gimme a good beef or pork thing.
I'll sit withe my apple juice waitig.

So what? The hospice meal is not about your tastes.

Janet.

But many patients are sick of boring hospital style food too. So the
meal should be varied with textures and tastes.

Michael 'Dog3 said:

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Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

I'm guessing that the food is brought in prepared and ready to eat.

The

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so-called "kitchen" is there for snacks, sandwiches, stuff.

That is pretty much it. It is a mini kitchen thing. There is a big fridge
though. Martha and Sara were over last night dealing with the last
plans. I think it will be a decent meal. I will do the hams and the mac
and cheese. Steven is doing the green bean casserole deal. Martha is
doing potato soup. Sara is the worker bee. Both of them are more than
capable of helping pull this off. Well, unless Martha is drinking. I can
always tell when she is into the sauce. Her two labs sneak over for
forbidden treats. They are fat. I like to sneak them those snausage
deals. I won't give them to Missy. She will get a milk bone type thing.

Anyway now that I know I am Miss Daisy in the neighborhood AND Steven has
known it for a long time I'm now calling rank. I'm not sure how to be
Miss Daisy. She is a much better person than I will ever be but the
neighbors have associated me that way. I am sure they are all terrified
when I haul Steven's Jeep out of the garage. Well at least I do not drive
the Nissan. It is bigger than I thought.

I am still unhappy about this Miss Daisy thing. I need to make sure that
camera deal work in the back of the Nissan. I did not mess with it a lot.

For some "ideas" on how to "deal" with some of those NOZY neighbors,
Michael, watch _Pink Flamingos_ and _Female Trouble_...:

"Connie and Raymond Marble, you stand accused of ASSHOLISM...breathe your
LAST breath...sigh your LAST sigh..."

- Babs Johnson (Divine) getting reading to execute her enemies at the end of
_Pink Flamingos_...

:-)

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Is my lot in life to be a middle aged housefrau? I guess if I give back
it is okay.

Hey, if you can do it, do it...

It's no matter, we know you are a good guy...

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Well,I'm yappy this morning.

IOW back to yer old self, that's a *good* thing...

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Greg

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Christine Dabney said:

I agree with this. Usually by the time one is in hospice care, they
are pretty close to dying, like within days or a week or two.

Sadly this is both true and untrue. MANY people are on Hospice care for
months, even a year or two is not unheard of. Yet sadly the majority of
people in private homes only sign up for this care in the last weeks
when they could have benefited from the services months earlier.

This is just my experience. Since I have been in service The patient's have
lasted maybe a year. My cat is on my keyboard. The hospice is hard to work
at. The folks die. It is what they do. I take their pets in. That is what I
do. That and read. I pretty much do what I can. Someone help me here. I do
what I can. The rest is chance.I have no clue what is next.

Michael

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Michael said:

Sheldon wrties:

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Is there a regular oven?

No oven which sucks. That is the big deal. It has to be ham.

Even cured ham should be cooked, at least well heated and a microwave
ain't doin' it... unless you're talking deli ham (cold cut sammiches).

Why can't you do your cooking at home and haul it in... fresh hams out
of the oven will stay hot at least an hour, even longer if well
insulated.

You can always donate an inexpensive plain vanilla 'lectric stove...
must be a used appliance store nearby... they may even be sweet talked
into the donation... don your Santa suit.

"Michael "Dog3"" <[email hidden]> wrote

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This is just my experience. Since I have been in service The patient's
have
lasted maybe a year. My cat is on my keyboard. The hospice is hard to
work
at. The folks die. It is what they do. I take their pets in. That is what
I
do. That and read. I pretty much do what I can. Someone help me here. I do
what I can. The rest is chance.I have no clue what is next.

That's really wonderful. I admire you.

nancy

Michael said:

The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
main entree. I'm still leaning towards ham.

Who says mac n' cheese can't contain ham?

Sheldon said:

Michael said:

The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
main entree. I'm still leaning towards ham.

Who says mac n' cheese can't contain ham?

Yum! I make it with diced ham from time to time 🙂

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Michael said:

The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
main entree. I'm still leaning towards ham.

Who says mac n' cheese can't contain ham?

Lots of Jewish people?

nancy

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 01:46:18a, Michael "Dog3" meant to say...

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Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

I'm guessing that the food is brought in prepared and ready to eat.
The so-called "kitchen" is there for snacks, sandwiches, stuff.

That is pretty much it. It is a mini kitchen thing. There is a big fridge
though. Martha and Sara were over last night dealing with the last
plans. I think it will be a decent meal. I will do the hams and the mac
and cheese. Steven is doing the green bean casserole deal. Martha is
doing potato soup. Sara is the worker bee. Both of them are more than
capable of helping pull this off. Well, unless Martha is drinking. I can
always tell when she is into the sauce. Her two labs sneak over for
forbidden treats. They are fat. I like to sneak them those snausage
deals. I won't give them to Missy. She will get a milk bone type thing.

Anyway now that I know I am Miss Daisy in the neighborhood AND Steven has
known it for a long time I'm now calling rank. I'm not sure how to be
Miss Daisy. She is a much better person than I will ever be but the
neighbors have associated me that way. I am sure they are all terrified
when I haul Steven's Jeep out of the garage. Well at least I do not drive
the Nissan. It is bigger than I thought.

I am still unhappy about this Miss Daisy thing. I need to make sure that
camera deal work in the back of the Nissan. I did not mess with it a lot.

Is my lot in life to be a middle aged housefrau? I guess if I give back
it is okay.

Well,I'm yappy this morning.

Michael

Michael, I wouldn't worry too much about being "Miss Daisy". I think it's
being used affectionately, as you seem to be well thought of in the
neighborhood. Most of us never know how we're referred to behind our
backs. In many cases, not knowing may be a good thing, but I think yours
has a certain charm, seriously.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Thu, 12/6/07

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Sheldon said:

You can always donate an inexpensive plain vanilla 'lectric stove...
must be a used appliance store nearby... they may even be sweet talked
into the donation... don your Santa suit.

I thought the same thing. However, since Michael says there's a space
problem, maybe prep space would be difficult, too. There's probably a
help problem, too, to prepare those meals - sounds like they are
receiving "Meals on Wheels", or equivalent. Here, Meals on Wheels
delivers one hot meal (dinner) and one cold meal to shut-ins.

Dora

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:06:38 -0500, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

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"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Michael said:

The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
main entree. I'm still leaning towards ham.

Who says mac n' cheese can't contain ham?

Lots of Jewish people?

nancy

Well, the ones that keep kosher, anyway.

Boron

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:06:38 -0500, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
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"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Michael wrote:
>
> The mac and cheese is a go for sure. It might wind up being the
> main entree. I'm still leaning towards ham.

Who says mac n' cheese can't contain ham?

Lots of Jewish people?

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Well, the ones that keep kosher, anyway.

Aren't there lots of those?

nancy

Michael 'Dog3 said:

This is just my experience. Since I have been in service The
patient's have lasted maybe a year. My cat is on my keyboard. The
hospice is hard to work at. The folks die. It is what they do. I take
their pets in. That is what I do. That and read. I pretty much do
what I can. Someone help me here. I do what I can. The rest is
chance.I have no clue what is next.

Michael

Love you, Michael. You're doing great. More power to you.

Dora