Meal help

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I have agreed to cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think
it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I
just commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham
might be the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited
resources at the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen.
Which I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy
etc. is out of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the
fixings. Any thoughts?

Michael

How about bringing 3-4 kinds of cold cuts, 3-4 kinds of bread, some
condiments, etc? A movable deli feast, in other words.

Or, does anyone in your crew have something like this?
http://www.weber.com/bbq/pub/grill/2007/q/Q100.aspx

What we kind of have down is this... Ham, we'll do at least 2 and maybe
3. We'll do mac and cheese and Martha's potato soup. Martha lives behind
me, is insane and a scream. I talked to Christy on the phone today and
she was helpful. The deli rolls are the best deal for this gig.
Condiments will be the packets of stuff. Honestly the mac and cheese,
soup and Steven's green bean deal should be enough. If I have time a ton
of Schaller's brownies for dessert. I might make some of Damsel's stuff
too. If all else fails I buy dessert from Sam's Club. Everyone that has
responded has had great ideas and I totally appreciate it.

For serving don't forget yer old friend the CROCKPOT, Michael...

U B a good dude for participating in this...

:-)

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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My experience with hospice residents is similar to yours.

Who are you cooking for at the hospice? The sick people or their
caretakers and relatives?

Asking what they'd like is always a good first step. Asking what they
can't have is an even better idea.

The salt in the ham might be a no-no with a lot of meds, for example.

Susan B.

What in hell would they care about? Sodium? These folks are dying of AIDS.
[censored], I need to get back on my saddle again. Look out kids, Missy DAisy is
back (yep that is I'm called in the neighborhood. found out yesterday)

Lol...

Michael, you kinda remind me of Miss Charlotte (BETTE DAVIS) in _Hush, Hush,
Sweet Charlotte_...especially the scenes where she is shooting at the
construction workers from the balcony, and also where the Sherriff (Luke
Standish) comes out to take that rifle away...

"Get OFF ma' property...!!!"

"Luke Standish, from where I am I could SPIT right in yer EYE..!!!"

PS: Ya know, if I ever become a drag queen I've decided I'll use the moniker
"Patty Melt"...

<chuckle/>

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen. Which
I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy etc.
is out of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the
fixings. Any thoughts?

How do they usually feed 60 people with only a microwave?

Deli?

Say again?

-sw

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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My experience with hospice residents is similar to yours.

Who are you cooking for at the hospice? The sick people or their
caretakers and relatives?

Asking what they'd like is always a good first step. Asking what
they can't have is an even better idea.

The salt in the ham might be a no-no with a lot of meds, for
example.

Susan B.

What in hell would they care about? Sodium? These folks are dying of
AIDS. [censored], I need to get back on my saddle again. Look out kids,
Missy DAisy is back (yep that is I'm called in the neighborhood.
found out yesterday)

Lol...

Michael, you kinda remind me of Miss Charlotte (BETTE DAVIS) in _Hush,
Hush, Sweet Charlotte_...especially the scenes where she is shooting
at the construction workers from the balcony, and also where the
Sherriff (Luke Standish) comes out to take that rifle away...

"Get OFF ma' property...!!!"

"Luke Standish, from where I am I could SPIT right in yer EYE..!!!"

PS: Ya know, if I ever become a drag queen I've decided I'll use the
moniker "Patty Melt"...

<chuckle/>

That is me totally. I shoot them all. I found out today they call me
miss Daisy in the neighborhood. You can not imagine how that pisses me
off. Now I wonder what they think the car is going to do. Seriously any
clues or what whill happen. I am now a pariah.

[censored].
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Michael \'Dog3\ said:

I have agreed to �cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I just
commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham might be
the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited resources at the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen. Which
I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy etc. is out
of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the fixings. Any
thoughts?

Is there a regular oven?

Roast fresh ham is very inexpensive, and most people like it and it's
far more healthful that chemical laden curted ham.... have the butcher
debone and tie it... makes it very easy to slice. Three whole hams
will feed 60 nicely.

Or make a few large meat loaves

Or better yet serve salisbury steak (ie. mini meat loaf braised in
gravy)... can be made in advance and frozen... reheat with a rich
brown mushroom gravy.

is meal for staff or patients--for staff do whatever you like

for patients you may want to check as some patients may not be able to eat

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I have agreed to cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I just
commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham might be
the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited resources at
the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen. Which
I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy etc. is out
of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the fixings. Any
thoughts?

Michael

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Is there a regular oven?

No oven which sucks. That is the bid deal. It has to be ham.

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Roast fresh ham is very inexpensive, and most people like it and it's
far more healthful that chemical laden curted ham.... have the butcher
debone and tie it... makes it very easy to slice. Three whole hams
will feed 60 nicely.

Or make a few large meat loaves

Or better yet serve salisbury steak (ie. mini meat loaf braised in
gravy)... can be made in advance and frozen... reheat with a rich
brown mushroom gravy.

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sorry i did not mention this in my previous post--
many hospice patients cannot swollow
before you even think of bringing food get a good idea on how ill the
patients are--sometimes the smell of food will make patients very ill

plese let us know who the meal is for --staff or patients

hth
peter

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I have agreed to cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I just
commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham might be
the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited resources at
the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen. Which
I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy etc. is out
of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the fixings. Any
thoughts?

Michael

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Is there a regular oven?

No oven which sucks.

Is there one that heats?

Why do I have the feeling on a different planet in this thread...

-sw

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:05:36a, Sqwertz meant to say...

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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> Is there a regular oven?

No oven which sucks.

Is there one that heats?

Why do I have the feeling on a different planet in this thread...

-sw

Apparently, just a microwave.

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:05:36a, Sqwertz meant to say...

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Michael 'Dog3 said:

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>> Is there a regular oven?

No oven which sucks.

Is there one that heats?

Why do I have the feeling on a different planet in this thread...

Apparently, just a microwave.

Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:14:06a, Sqwertz meant to say...

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:05:36a, Sqwertz meant to say...

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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:07:56 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Sheldon <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>>> Is there a regular oven?
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> No oven which sucks.

Is there one that heats?

Why do I have the feeling on a different planet in this thread...

Apparently, just a microwave.

Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

I'm guessing that the food is brought in prepared and ready to eat. The
so-called "kitchen" is there for snacks, sandwiches, stuff.

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I have agreed to cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I just
commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham might be
the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited resources at
the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen. Which
I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy etc. is out
of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the fixings. Any
thoughts?

Michael

You've had many good suggestions, but seem stuck on ham. Maybe it won't
matter, but folks that grew up not eating it because of restrictions may be
really turned off. Why not smoked turkey? There used to be bargain prices
this time of year in the US on that.

OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness are
that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible due to
mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some cooking for
friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy, small pieces, things
in which flavor was more important than chewing.

I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I would
love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with frustration
if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:05:36a, Sqwertz meant to say...

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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:07:56 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Sheldon <[email hidden]> dropped this
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>>> Is there a regular oven?
>
> No oven which sucks.

Is there one that heats?

Why do I have the feeling on a different planet in this thread...

Apparently, just a microwave.

Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

I think the meals are catered in. I don't have it figured out yet. The
kitchen area is not big. There is alway a bunch of fruit around. Plenty
of juices too. For actual food I think it is all catered. There is just
not a lot of kitchen space.

Michael

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Then how do these people get their 3x daily meals, is what I'm
still trying to figure out.

-sw

I'm guessing that the food is brought in prepared and ready to eat.

The

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so-called "kitchen" is there for snacks, sandwiches, stuff.

That is pretty much it. It is a mini kitchen thing. There is a big fridge
though. Martha and Sara were over last night dealing with the last
plans. I think it will be a decent meal. I will do the hams and the mac
and cheese. Steven is doing the green bean casserole deal. Martha is
doing potato soup. Sara is the worker bee. Both of them are more than
capable of helping pull this off. Well, unless Martha is drinking. I can
always tell when she is into the sauce. Her two labs sneak over for
forbidden treats. They are fat. I like to sneak them those snausage
deals. I won't give them to Missy. She will get a milk bone type thing.

Anyway now that I know I am Miss Daisy in the neighborhood AND Steven has
known it for a long time I'm now calling rank. I'm not sure how to be
Miss Daisy. She is a much better person than I will ever be but the
neighbors have associated me that way. I am sure they are all terrified
when I haul Steven's Jeep out of the garage. Well at least I do not drive
the Nissan. It is bigger than I thought.

I am still unhappy about this Miss Daisy thing. I need to make sure that
camera deal work in the back of the Nissan. I did not mess with it a lot.

Is my lot in life to be a middle aged housefrau? I guess if I give back
it is okay.

Well,I'm yappy this morning.

Michael

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I have agreed to cook for the hospice I volunteer at. I don't think
it
will entail much trouble. The meal will be for about 60+ people. I
just commited to it today. I'm thinking turkey or ham. Any ideas? Ham
might be the better choice. Those of us doing the meal have limited
resources at the
hospice. There is a fridge, microwave etc. There is no full kitchen.
Which I find bizarre but I don't make the rules. Fresh mashed, gravy
etc. is out of the question. I'm thinking ham sandwhiches with the
fixings. Any thoughts?

Michael

You've had many good suggestions, but seem stuck on ham. Maybe it
won't matter, but folks that grew up not eating it because of
restrictions may be really turned off. Why not smoked turkey? There
used to be bargain prices this time of year in the US on that.

OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness
are that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible
due to mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some
cooking for friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy,
small pieces, things in which flavor was more important than chewing.

I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I
would love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with
frustration if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

I have got to tell you. I am really sick of turkey, stock and the rest.
I don't hate it. I'm just sick of it. Gimme a good beef or pork thing.
I'll sit withe my apple juice waitig.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:54:18 +0100, "Giusi" <[email hidden]>

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OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness are
that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible due to
mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some cooking for
friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy, small pieces, things
in which flavor was more important than chewing.

I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I would
love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with frustration
if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--

I agree with this. Usually by the time one is in hospice care, they
are pretty close to dying, like within days or a week or two. By
then, the body is starting to shut down and appetite is not there,
plus other bodily ailments might make eating difficult. If this is
for the staff, it might be a different matter, but if it is for both
patients and staff, then you really have to consider what they truly
can eat. You have to put your wants aside and consider what they truly
will want to eat. Not what you necessarily want to serve them.

I think Judith is right: research first what they have been eating and
why.

Christine

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

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My only experience of a hospice, and nursing dying family at home, was,
the people didn't want robust meals, just something small, light, easy
to swallow and digest. ISTR making a lot of "baby food"... rice pudding,
stewed apple, egg custard, and soup. Often they couldn't take in much
at a time, so anything they could come back to later and pick at, was
welcome.

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Except the family and caretakers want more than pablum!

Well, the suggestions in my following paragraph, which you edited
out, were not pablum. They were a menu which everyone could share
without differentiation.

Janet.

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The salt in the ham might be a no-no with a lot of meds, for example.

Susan B.

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What in hell would they care about? Sodium? These folks are dying of AIDS.

So some of them may be in kidney failure or have fluid retention, and
salt could make them feel worse.

Janet.

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OTH, my painful memories of friends at hospice period of their illness are
that for many reasons, most really flavorful foods were impossible due to
mouth ulcers, loosened teeth, inability to digest. I did some cooking for
friends in home hospice care and it ran more to creamy, small pieces,
things
in which flavor was more important than chewing.

I think you should research what they have been eating and why. I would
love a big rye sandwich with ham and mustard, but would cry with
frustration
if it was there and I couldn't eat it.--

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I agree with this. Usually by the time one is in hospice care, they
are pretty close to dying, like within days or a week or two. By
then, the body is starting to shut down and appetite is not there,
plus other bodily ailments might make eating difficult. If this is
for the staff, it might be a different matter, but if it is for both
patients and staff, then you really have to consider what they truly
can eat. You have to put your wants aside and consider what they truly
will want to eat. Not what you necessarily want to serve them.

Exactly. And frankly, they don't need any cruel reminders of what
used to be, and will never be again. The very last thing those families
want IME, is to sit scoffing a plate of turkey and mash or juicy ham
sandwiches in front of someone they love who can't share it.

Janet.