Mayo crashes before Pav

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

"Gary" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by waiting, Armstrong
does not.

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

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Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before the cobbles.
His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash on his left thigh but seems
to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal [censored] decide to
ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from rejoining the group. Armstrong expects
everyone else to wait for him, but God forbid that he would extend that
courtesy to others.

David Off said:

Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before the cobbles.
His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash on his left thigh but seems
to be regaining the bunch.

Marco Velo looks to be out -- blood all over his jersey.

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

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Quoted message said:

Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before the cobbles.
His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash on his left thigh but seems
to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal [censored] decide to
ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from rejoining the group. Armstrong expects
everyone else to wait for him, but God forbid that he would extend that
courtesy to others.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

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Quoted message said:

Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before the cobbles.
His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash on his left thigh but seems
to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal [censored] decide to
ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from rejoining the group. Armstrong expects
everyone else to wait for him, but God forbid that he would extend that
courtesy to others.

So you're blaming Armstrong and Postal for having the sense to be
leading the group when entering a difficult stretch?

"Gary" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow jersey. If your rival
has a fall, you're supposed not to attack. It has been done several times in
the Tour, but is still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

"Gary" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by waiting, Armstrong
does not.

Jonathan.

Robert Chung said:

Marco Velo looks to be out -- blood all over his jersey.

absolutely horrible crash for Velo, a fractured clavicule. Very nasty.

Then I stand corrected.

benjo maso said:

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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow jersey. If your rival
has a fall, you're supposed not to attack. It has been done several times in
the Tour, but is still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

Bird said:

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the job, specially
in the begin, when the difference was being build up.

And your point is? None them were going to [censored]
away the opportunity.

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:06:07 +0200, "benjo maso" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow jersey. If your rival
has a fall, you're supposed not to attack. It has been done several times in
the Tour, but is still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

That's right.

But Mr. Armstrong considers himself a god, so he will get away with
it. But he makes no friends amongst the Spanish riders. And that will
be a big tactical mistake. Spanish teams tend to help each other.

Greets,
Arne Vogel.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by waiting, Armstrong
does not.

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the gap by the end
of the stage? In that case, waiting or not makes no difference. We'll see
in a short while how this ends up.

I think the decision to ride in front had more to do with the upcoming
cobbles than Mayo's misfortune? Just worked out that way.

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Quoted message said:

"Gary" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only, although I
may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by waiting, Armstrong
does not.

Jonathan.

AMG said:

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the gap by the end
of the stage? In that case, waiting or not makes no difference. We'll see
in a short while how this ends up.

Don't be silly. They're riding to put time on Mayo and everyone else in
the second group. It's about winning the Tour.

The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split made on the pave.
Splits on the pave are expected -- part of the game. There's no
gentleman's agreement to neutralize the cobbles.

Dan

Dan Connelly said:

AMG said:

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the gap by the end
of the stage? In that case, waiting or not makes no difference. We'll see
in a short while how this ends up.

Don't be silly. They're riding to put time on Mayo and everyone else in
the second group. It's about winning the Tour.

Evidently so. Mayo is probably fried now, as far as CG goes...

Trouble with those gentleman's rules, they're not very specific.

Is it

1. Do not attack if the leader should fall.
2. Do not attack if a contender for the CG should fall.
3. Do not attack if a contender should fall, but only in a late, critical
stage.
4. Do not attack if the leader should fall, but only if you're one of the
CG contenders...
5. ?

-AMG

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:51:16 GMT, Dan Connelly

d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g said:

The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split made on the pave.
Splits on the pave are expected -- part of the game. There's no
gentleman's agreement to neutralize the cobbles.

Dan

No, the split was made as a result of the fall, with Mayo. That was
_before_ the cobbles.

Greets,
Arne Vogel.

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the job, specially
in the begin, when the difference was being build up.

In article <[email hidden]>, Bird

Quoted message said:

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the job, specially
in the begin, when the difference was being build up.

Everyone in the race knew the lead up to the cobbles would cause
problems and most of the GC riders and their teammates worked extra
hard to be in front of any problems. Just as we saw happen a few years
back on the wet narrow road that caused a similar expected split the
teams who worked hard to be in the front before problems extended their
advantage after the problems.

-WG

Dan Connelly said:

AMG said:

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the gap by the
end of the stage? In that case, waiting or not makes no difference.
We'll see in a short while how this ends up.

Don't be silly. They're riding to put time on Mayo and everyone else in
the second group. It's about winning the Tour.
The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split made on the pave.
Splits on the pave are expected -- part of the game. There's no
gentleman's agreement to neutralize the cobbles.
Dan

As our mothers have always said: "what goes around comes around" Did you
guys see the three Phonak guys pulling hard right along side Hincapie?
Remember Hamilton reminding everybody to wait last year? Hamilton is
just as [censored] as Lance. Lance probably told Hamilton to bring his team
to the front.

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