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  1. i have designed a coasting unicycles hub and need to know these
    things...

    on the kris holm axle, are the splines welded on then the weld beed
    machined off, or is it all done on a CNC mill?

    is aluminum too soft for a unicycle axle?

    what are the demensions of a standerd high flange axle?

    what is the standerd spoke length of a 20 wheel?

    what is the thred size of the bolt that holds the cranks in place?

    does anybody know what the the tool is called to be able to thred the
    inside of a tube with a standard lathe?

    can teflon be run at a higher speed than steel on a lathe before it
    melts?

    where can ruber and the stuff to melt it be bought/used?

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  2. Quoted message said:

    what are the demensions of a standerd high flange axle?

    6in by 2 1/378459 in by 8

    Quoted message said:

    where can ruber and the stuff to melt it be bought/used?

    at the ruber store... duh!

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    can teflon be run at a higher speed than steel on a lathe before it
    melts?

    steel-> metal
    teflon-> plastic.. lets think here

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    i have designed a coasting unicycles hub and need to know these
    things...

    or you could just buy one...

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  3. Quoted message said:

    what are the demensions of a standerd high flange axle?

    6in by 2 1/378459 in by 8

    Quoted message said:

    where can ruber and the stuff to melt it be bought/used?

    at the ruber store... duh!

    Quoted message said:

    can teflon be run at a higher speed than steel on a lathe before it
    melts?

    steel-> metal
    teflon-> plastic.. lets think here

    Quoted message said:

    i have designed a coasting unicycles hub and need to know these
    things...

    or you could just buy one...

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  4. where can you buy a coasting unicycle that can be riden backward and
    forwards?

    the reason for the teflon question was beacuse i didnt know if it would
    build up friction and melt

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  5. A good rule of thumb is that the softer it is the faster it can be cut.
    You will be able to run a rod of teflon at speeds that are well abouve
    the range of the average metal lathe. If you get worried about melting,
    use coolant.

    You are correct, aluminum is too soft to be a unicycle axle, unless you
    dramatically increase the axle's diameter.

    KH splines are machined directly from a sloid bar, no welds involved.
    Unless you get a blem hub, there shouldn't be any welding anywhere on
    the hub. It is done on a cnc mill (don't bother trying to buy one to do
    this job custom on. The average cnc mill capable of this will cost
    around $10 grand), but you can do it on a precise bridgeport with a good
    rotary base. It will be extremely difficult. Not something to be
    attempted for a beginner machinist. The hardest part of the KH axle will
    be getting the chromoly heat treated. You will have to send it off, and
    you could have troubles finding a place that will 1-off it.

    A standard lathe isn't equipped to thread long sections on the inside of
    a metal tube. You would need controlled powerfeed on the tailstock, and
    that is rare on a normal lathe. If you are thinkiung of something
    different, you would just use the tool rest and a self-ground bit to do
    the cutting, but that wouldn't be very good for long tubes, due to
    chatter. I reccomend just getting a good, long hand tap of the right
    size. These can be fo\und up to a diameter of around 2".

    Having seen your drawings for the coasting hub, I think you should think
    about how you will get those keys to line up while riding quickly. You
    will seriously risk mashing the edges of the keys when they interlock
    while riding. Maybe you should taper them or use a friction clutch like
    on a drum brake instead. What if you had a ring with a slightly tapered
    cone? The cone would be very easy to cut on the lathe.

    Teflon won't be ideal for instide the hub, unless it's just for sliding
    lateral forces. It will not be good as a surface for high-rpm rotations.

    The average spoke length for a 3-cross 20" wheel is between 180 and
    240mm.

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  6. thanks so much for the info, the reason for the teflon is i wanted to
    make a scale model before i start sending money toward expencive metal.
    you are right the squared off keys would not ingague smoothly, i have
    designed it so that they are rounded and i dont think i willl be doing
    high speeds on it anyway.

    i am working on an anamation of the hub design.

    we have 3 friends with CNC's and tons with standard mills.

    gerble check PM's in a couple min.

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  7. thanks so much for the info, the reason for the teflon is i wanted to
    make a scale model before i start sending money toward expencive metal.
    you are right the squared off keys would not ingague smoothly, i have
    designed it so that they are rounded and i dont think i willl be doing
    high speeds on it anyway.

    i am working on an anamation of the hub design.

    we have 3 friends with CNC's and tons with standard mills.

    gerble check PM's in a couple min.

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  8. Good idea to use teflon, but I think that if you go to a metal supply
    place and put on a nice face they'll give it to you cheap. I got about
    $400-500 worth of aluminum for $45 when I had a conversation with a guy
    outside the place about my project. It turned out he was the owner.

    Rounded keys could work, but I still theink a friction clutch would be
    simpler and easier to ride.

    I have friends with cnc's too, but it's not easy to program them, and
    you still have to find a place with enough insurance on the mill that
    you can try it. It'd suck to end up breaking someone's $100,000 cnc mill
    by having a typo in the code.

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  9. Good idea to use teflon, but I think that if you go to a metal supply
    place and put on a nice face they'll give it to you cheap. I got about
    $400-500 worth of aluminum for $45 when I had a conversation with a guy
    outside the place about my project. It turned out he was the owner.

    Rounded keys could work, but I still theink a friction clutch would be
    simpler and easier to ride.

    I have friends with cnc's too, but it's not easy to program them, and
    you still have to find a place with enough insurance on the mill that
    you can try it. It'd suck to end up breaking someone's $100,000 cnc mill
    by having a typo in the code.

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  10. My daddy always told me keep it simple "stupid", maybe I should have
    listened more.

    Has anyone played with a centrifical clutch like on my lawnmower? dont
    pedal -freewheel- pedal at a set rate, and the clutch would engage =
    forward motion. Might have to start off doing a running mount or
    something, but I will leave all of that for you smart guys.

    Just another late night brainfart.....

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  11. They also have those in old seatbelts and certain types of curtains. I
    think it'd work, but it would be good to have it engage at a rather high
    speed.

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  12. also with those clutches, they ingauge slowly, you want something that
    pops right in.

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  13. total uni said:

    *also with those clutches, they ingauge slowly, you want something
    that pops right in. *

    I disagree. A slow engagement allows you to ease into pedalling, which
    will be easier.

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  14. how would that work? a series of slowed teeth?

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  15. A series of sprung teeth would have to be rounded in one direction to
    allow pedalling to engage the wheel and not pedaling the wheel would
    just roll over the sprung teeth.

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  16. but i was hoping that i could try backward coasting😄

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  17. total uni said:

    *but i was hoping that i could try backward coasting😄 *

    Wouldn't it be much easier to just work hard and learn the skill
    progressions to do a backwards coast. It could take quite a while, even
    years. But at least you wouldn't be cheating...

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  18. how the hell would you make sprung teeth.

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  19. total uni said:

    *how the hell would you make sprung teeth. *

    I think he's referring to pawls. Thats how a racheting mechanism allow
    forward rotation but prevents backward rotation.

    Basically a bicycle freewheel.

    Apologies if I've misunderstood.

    -mg

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  20. i think catbot totaly miss understands me, i am building a unicycle hub
    that in a push of a button is free wheel. not like SWATS coaster

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