Lower gear on the cheap?

On a 135mm BCD Campagnolo crank the smallest chainring you can fit in the
position currently occupied by your 42 is a 39, so what you want to do can't
be done without changing the crank and chainrings. The cheapest change would
be to try replacing your existing 30 cog with a 24 without any other
changes.

You can get Campagnolo cassettes with a 13t large cog, but in 9-speed they
don't go any lower than 26t or in 10-speed 29t.

"Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Peter

"Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Peter

How do you plan to move the 30T ring to the middle position of your Veloce
crank?

Lou

Lou Holtman said:

"Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

Quoted message said:

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

Quoted message said:

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Quoted message said:

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

Quoted message said:

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Quoted message said:

Peter

How do you plan to move the 30T ring to the middle position of your Veloce
crank?

Lou- Hide quoted text -

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OOPS and DRAT!

I completely forgot that the BCD of the 30 was smaller than that of
the other two ring positions. So much for that Idea. :<(

Thanks from Peter

I have a 17 inch gear, 34 on back 24 on front. A 22 front is now
easily available to get even lower, I can climb most any hill even
with my Yorkie on back groceries, books etc.

On Feb 22, 1:43 am, "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

Cannot put the 30t on the middle position, It is 135mm BCD, smallest
ring there is a 39t. If ya really want that type of gearing, need a
smaller BCD triple crank but even with a 94mm, still cannot put a 30t
in the middle. 42/32/24 is possible tho.

Quoted message said:

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Peter

I recommend a smaller small ring, like 24t and a bigger range cogset
in the rear, with a long cage Campag RD.

Nick Payne said:

On a 135mm BCD Campagnolo crank the smallest chainring you can fit in the
position currently occupied by your 42 is a 39, so what you want to do can't
be done without changing the crank and chainrings. The cheapest change would
be to try replacing your existing 30 cog with a 24 without any other
changes.

You can get Campagnolo cassettes with a 13t large cog, but in 9-speed they
don't go any lower than 26t or in 10-speed 29t.

13-28 for Campag 9s.

Quoted message said:

"Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

Quoted message said:

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

Quoted message said:

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Quoted message said:

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

Quoted message said:

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Quoted message said:

Peter

Sir Ridesalot said:

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position.

Umm, that won't work. Only the 52 and 42 of your current set-up will
fits the outer circle of bolts. The inner one uses a smaller circle.

Instead of doing that, get a mountain-bike crank. That's what I did,
and it works just fine. The front derailleur will shift it fine; yes,
it's be better if the cage were shaped more like the 42-or-so toothed
outer ring, but I've been using this for years.

You will probably also need a new bottom bracket, but if you shop around
this won't set you back much.

--

David L. Johnson

Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!

On Feb 22, 7:46 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Nick Payne said:

On a 135mm BCD Campagnolo crank the smallest chainring you can fit in the
position currently occupied by your 42 is a 39, so what you want to do can't
be done without changing the crank and chainrings. The cheapest change would
be to try replacing your existing 30 cog with a 24 without any other
changes.

Quoted message said:

You can get Campagnolo cassettes with a 13t large cog, but in 9-speed they
don't go any lower than 26t or in 10-speed 29t.

13-28 for Campag 9s.

Quoted message said:

"Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Campagnolo 9 speed cassettes come in 14-28 too.
14-15-16-17-19-21-23-25-28. Better spacing than the 13-28 with
13-14-15-17-19-21-23-25-28. Or get a 13-26 9 speed and replace the 26
cog with a 28 cog from a shop that sells Campagnolo. Good cog spacing
with 13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23 and then the bailout gear of 28 on the
end. QBP used to sell a 28 cog for Campagnolo 9 speed cassettes for
just this purpose. The cog itself was soft junk and wore very, very
quickly.

Then replace the 30 tooth inner ring with a 24 or 26 or 28 and his low
gear should be low enough. If going to the 24 inner ring, then likely
will need a long cage rear derailleur instead of medium cage to take
up the extra chain slack. 26 inner ring will work with a 52 outer
ring and medium cage.

On Feb 22, 7:45 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Feb 22, 1:43 am, "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

Quoted message said:

I have a Veloce triple crank with 30 -42 and 52 teeth chain rings. The
small cog on the rear wheel is 11 teeth which gives me a high gear of
127.6 inches.

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of removing the 52 teeth ring and moving the 42 and 30
teeth rings outboard one position. I am thinking about buying a 24
teeth inner chain ring to fit my Veloce crank which will give me a low
gear of 24.9 inches. My high gear would be 103.1 inches which is just
slightly bigger than the 52 - 14 inches gear and it is also almost
midway between the 52 - 15 and 52 - 13 combinations I have now.

Quoted message said:

The jump between a 24 teeth to 42 teeth chain ring is 18 teeth. From
30 teeth to 52 teeth it is 22 teeth. Therefore in theory this 34 - 30
- 42 setup should shift okay.

Quoted message said:

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth
chainring. However I was wondering about that 12 teeth jump after only
a six teeth jump. Do you think that setup is workable shifting down as
well as shifting up?

Cannot put the 30t on the middle position, It is 135mm BCD, smallest
ring there is a 39t. If ya really want that type of gearing, need a
smaller BCD triple crank but even with a 94mm, still cannot put a 30t
in the middle. 42/32/24 is possible tho.

94mm bcd cranks do take a 30 tooth ring. I have a 30 tooth TA
chianring in 94mm bcd that works just fine on my Race Face Turbine LP
crankset. It is a 5 botl spider triple with 94mm bcd on the outer
rigns and 58mm on the inner ring. I'm using it as a micro compact
double crankset. Only using the 94mm bcd outer positions and a 103mm
square taper bottom bracket to get the chainline in close.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/chainrings.asp
TA sells 94mm bcd rings in 2 tooth jumps from 50 to 30 teeth.

And I recall the QBP catalog in 2000 listing Ritchey rings in 28 and
29 tooth that fit onto the 94mm bcd crank too. They were steel
rings. And I suspect there was very, very little extra material
around the bolts.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If this would work the only cost would be the new inner chainring.

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance for all pertinent advice and comments as to the
feasibility of this conversion. I want to keep as much Campy stuff on
this bike as I can.

Quoted message said:

Peter

I recommend a smaller small ring, like 24t and a bigger range cogset
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<[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

TA sells 94mm bcd rings in 2 tooth jumps from 50 to 30 teeth.

They used to make a 29t: I have one. It allows a little contact between the
chain and the spider on my Ritchey Logic Compact and Sugino 900 cranks, but
it works.

Quoted message said:

And I recall the QBP catalog in 2000 listing Ritchey rings in 28
and 29 tooth that fit onto the 94mm bcd crank too. They were
steel rings. And I suspect there was very, very little extra material
around the bolts.

I've got the 28t. It came with special small-diameter bolts with spacers to
gain the necessary clearance. There isn't much extra meat there, but again,
it works.

James Thomson

Sir Ridesalot said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

As others have noted, you can't put the 30 in the middle.

Here's a cheap solution: Change the inner ring to a 26T. Not quite as
low as the 24, but it still shifts tolerably with a Campy triple FD
(26-42-52), though a little rough going 26 -> 42.

If your rear derailleur's long enough, go with the 28 in the back.

An elegant solution, but more $$: change all the rings 26-40-50 (Campy
makes 40/50, though they aren't seen in most shops; other mfrs make them
also). Shifts wonderfully. I've been using this for a few years now.
With a 13 in back, that's higher than your 100.3 (I have a 12; I like to
pedal on downhills).

Good luck,

Mark J.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Cannot put the 30t on the middle position, It is 135mm BCD, smallest
ring there is a 39t. If ya really want that type of gearing, need a
smaller BCD triple crank but even with a 94mm, still cannot put a 30t
in the middle. 42/32/24 is possible tho.

The TA Cyclotouriste and Stronglight mod.99 can take 30T rings in the
middle position -- if you can find them. :-(

--

John ([email hidden])

Mark said:

Sir Ridesalot said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

As others have noted, you can't put the 30 in the middle.

Here's a cheap solution: Change the inner ring to a 26T. Not quite as
low as the 24, but it still shifts tolerably with a Campy triple FD
(26-42-52), though a little rough going 26 -> 42.

If your rear derailleur's long enough, go with the 28 in the back.

An elegant solution, but more $$: change all the rings 26-40-50 (Campy
makes 40/50, though they aren't seen in most shops; other mfrs make them
also). Shifts wonderfully. I've been using this for a few years now.
With a 13 in back, that's higher than your 100.3 (I have a 12; I like to
pedal on downhills).

Good luck,

Mark J.

Thanks.

The problem with that is the cost of the three new rings is as much as
an entire new crankset. When I ordered the crankset I wanted 40 and 50
teeth rings. What that would have entailed was me paying for those two
rings but not getting the 42 and 52 rings back. This equaled a cost of
over $100 Cdn extra on the price of the Veloce crankset.

What I may do is sell the Veloce wheels and crankset and buy new
Shimano ones instead. It is too bad that Campagnolo does not seem to
want to enable a person to set up a bicycle for touring.

Peter

cmcanulty said:

I have a 17 inch gear, 34 on back 24 on front. A 22 front is now
easily available to get even lower, I can climb most any hill even
with my Yorkie on back groceries, books etc.

Hi there.

Very nice. You can not get either a 22 front or a 32 or 34 rear that
will fit a Campy crankset or hub respectively.

I now wish I had built this up this bicycle with Shimano components
except for the rear derailleur and the Brifters. There would have been
many more choices available as well as availability. I will not make
that mistake again.

Peter

Sir Ridesalot said:

Do you think my Veloce front derailleur will shift the 24 - 30 - 42
combination okay? I do *NOT* want to have to replace the 30 teeth

To me, it seems like you need an MTB chainset, which normally have
chainrings in those sizes and slightly smaller or bigger, depending on
your choice.

I'm with you on one thing though - I don't think road chainsets are
made for less than very frequent, hardcore riders - unless the 52t
only goes along for the ride, and the cassete has really light/large
sprockets.

Good luck,
jbr

Ride your 2 wheels, but in order to ride them yet another day!
bbb

On Feb 22, 6:23 pm, "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Feb 22, 12:18 pm, Mark

Quoted message said:

Sir Ridesalot said:

Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
many riders.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
inches.

Quoted message said:

As others have noted, you can't put the 30 in the middle.

Quoted message said:

Here's a cheap solution: Change the inner ring to a 26T. Not quite as
low as the 24, but it still shifts tolerably with a Campy triple FD
(26-42-52), though a little rough going 26 -> 42.

Quoted message said:

If your rear derailleur's long enough, go with the 28 in the back.

Quoted message said:

An elegant solution, but more $$: change all the rings 26-40-50 (Campy
makes 40/50, though they aren't seen in most shops; other mfrs make them
also). Shifts wonderfully. I've been using this for a few years now.
With a 13 in back, that's higher than your 100.3 (I have a 12; I like to
pedal on downhills).

Quoted message said:

Good luck,

Quoted message said:

Mark J.

Thanks.

The problem with that is the cost of the three new rings is as much as
an entire new crankset. When I ordered the crankset I wanted 40 and 50
teeth rings. What that would have entailed was me paying for those two
rings but not getting the 42 and 52 rings back. This equaled a cost of
over $100 Cdn extra on the price of the Veloce crankset.

What I may do is sell the Veloce wheels and crankset and buy new
Shimano ones instead. It is too bad that Campagnolo does not seem to
want to enable a person to set up a bicycle for touring.

And Ferrari does not make an off road truck. And AM General does not
make a race car. Many companies find a niche to serve and have no
interest in being everything to everyone. Better to make a few
customers very happy than to fail trying to satisfy the wants of
everyone.

There have been many good solutions given in this thread for getting
much lower gears on your bike. Easiest is to buy a 24 tooth inner
chainring and replace the 30. Presuming you have a long cage rear
derailleur, instead of the medium cage rear derailleur, it will work
just fine. Why are you so dead set against the 24 inner ring? Why do
you insist on keeping the 30 ring?

14-28 9 speed Campagnolo Veloce cassettes are available. 13-29 10
speed Campagnolo cassettes are available. 24 inner ring and 28 or 29
rear cog gets you a low gear around 23". Low enough for everything
except loaded touring in the mountains.

New 24 tooth inner ring is $10. New 14-28 Veloce 9 speed cassette is
$60 full retail price. If you need a long cage rear derailleur then
that will be extra of course. But if you could sell/trade the medium
cage you have now, that would help.

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Sir Ridesalot said:

What I may do is sell the Veloce wheels and crankset and buy new
Shimano ones instead. It is too bad that Campagnolo does not seem to
want to enable a person to set up a bicycle for touring.

What's the lightest alternative Shimano offer in road style chainsets?

Regards,
jbr

Ride your 2 wheels, but in order to ride them yet another day!
bbb

email hidden said:

On Feb 22, 6:23 pm, "Sir Ridesalot" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Feb 22, 12:18 pm, Mark

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> Hi there. Once upon a time bicycles for the road came with 42 and 52
> teeth chain rings and the smallest rear cog was 14 teeth giving a high
> gear of 100.3 inches. This high gear was quite sufficient for a great
> many riders.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I find that I do not need any bigger of a gear than that 100.3 inches.
> I could really use a lowest gear that is smaller than my 30 teeth
> chain ring and 26 teeth rear sprocket which gives a low gear of 31.2
> inches.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As others have noted, you can't put the 30 in the middle.

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Here's a cheap solution: Change the inner ring to a 26T. Not quite as
low as the 24, but it still shifts tolerably with a Campy triple FD
(26-42-52), though a little rough going 26 -> 42.

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If your rear derailleur's long enough, go with the 28 in the back.

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An elegant solution, but more $$: change all the rings 26-40-50 (Campy
makes 40/50, though they aren't seen in most shops; other mfrs make them
also). Shifts wonderfully. I've been using this for a few years now.
With a 13 in back, that's higher than your 100.3 (I have a 12; I like to
pedal on downhills).

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Good luck,

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Mark J.

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Thanks.

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The problem with that is the cost of the three new rings is as much as
an entire new crankset. When I ordered the crankset I wanted 40 and 50
teeth rings. What that would have entailed was me paying for those two
rings but not getting the 42 and 52 rings back. This equaled a cost of
over $100 Cdn extra on the price of the Veloce crankset.

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What I may do is sell the Veloce wheels and crankset and buy new
Shimano ones instead. It is too bad that Campagnolo does not seem to
want to enable a person to set up a bicycle for touring.

And Ferrari does not make an off road truck. And AM General does not
make a race car. Many companies find a niche to serve and have no
interest in being everything to everyone. Better to make a few
customers very happy than to fail trying to satisfy the wants of
everyone.

There have been many good solutions given in this thread for getting
much lower gears on your bike. Easiest is to buy a 24 tooth inner
chainring and replace the 30. Presuming you have a long cage rear
derailleur, instead of the medium cage rear derailleur, it will work
just fine. Why are you so dead set against the 24 inner ring? Why do
you insist on keeping the 30 ring?

14-28 9 speed Campagnolo Veloce cassettes are available. 13-29 10
speed Campagnolo cassettes are available. 24 inner ring and 28 or 29
rear cog gets you a low gear around 23". Low enough for everything
except loaded touring in the mountains.

New 24 tooth inner ring is $10. New 14-28 Veloce 9 speed cassette is
$60 full retail price. If you need a long cage rear derailleur then
that will be extra of course. But if you could sell/trade the medium
cage you have now, that would help.

I thank you for and appreciate the advice.

I got two cranksets I have confused.

Actually I do not care if the middle ring is 30 teeth.

However I did want to do this change inexpensively. Money is very
tight for me.

I think that if I do decide to go for lower gears on this bike I will
be do it simply by swapping out the whole crankset since I do have a
bb with an apropriate length spindle.

As it stands to get the gearing I want using my Veloce cranks it
looks like I need a new inner chainring $40Cdn (not the $10 you
quoted)and a new Veloce long cage rear derailleur $150Cdn (to replace
the medium one I have in order to handle the chain wrap of a 24-52
crankset = 28 teeth difference). Will a Veloce long cage even handle
that difference if used with a 26 teeth rear cassette? There is no
point in paying $60Cdn for a new cassette that will only have 2 more
teeth on the biggest cog. I have a number of extra links for my Veloce
chain if I were to need them.

The cost of the above changes is $190Cdn. To me this is a ridiculous
amount to have to spend to get the gears I want. Instead I will buy
either a road crankset with 24-38-48 teeth (24 teeth difference) or an
mtb crankset with 22-32-44 teeth (22 teeth difference) because the
current difference is 22 teeth. Either of those two items can be had
locally for about $100Cdn and will work with my existing medium cage
derailleur and my 26 teeth low gear cassette.

Yes selling the old parts would help but I would still be out of
pocket for the $240 until the used parts sold. I do not have a credit
card as I never needed one. However you do need one in order to sell
on Ebay so that is not an option.

This is my first and only bike with all Campy components. It was and
is my dream bike and I absolutely love the feel of the ride it
delivers. I had hoped to keep it all Campy.

Another problem is that where I am any thing Campy *HAS* to be
*SPECIAL ORDERED* since none of the shops here stock Campy. This
concerns me too because if I was touring and were to total my rear
wheel I would only be able to get a Shimano hub wheel on a walk in
trip to a shop. What I was trying to say was that it is too bad that
Campy did not make a touring cassette with a low gear of say 32 teeth.
It is my opinion that Campy could get a much larger share of the
recreational/touring market if they only offered a touring crankset
and cassette.

I hope this makes sense to you.

Cheers from Peter

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Another problem is that where I am any thing Campy *HAS* to be
*SPECIAL ORDERED* since none of the shops here stock Campy. This
concerns me too because if I was touring and were to total my rear
wheel I would only be able to get a Shimano hub wheel on a walk in
trip to a shop. What I was trying to say was that it is too bad that
Campy did not make a touring cassette with a low gear of say 32 teeth.
It is my opinion that Campy could get a much larger share of the
recreational/touring market if they only offered a touring crankset
and cassette.

I hope this makes sense to you.

Cheers from Peter

Campy did make MTB grupos but they backed out of that market in 1996. They
still make long arm rear derailleurs, triple crankets and triple front
derailleurs which certainly qualify as touring components.

Chas.