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  1. Hello All. I am looking for some training advice. I have three goals I
    wish to accomplish this year. They are:

    1. Lose about 20 pounds.
    2. Improve my appearance by gaining some muscle definition.
    3. Run my very first 9 mile race (Boilermaker in July in Utica, NY).

    I am a 35 year old male, 6.0 feet tall, about 203 pounds. My body fat
    is about 25.5. I have done extensive research on dieting. After looking
    at all the fad diets out there, I feel the Abs Diet from Men's Health
    magazine is the best. I've tried most of these diets and they all kind
    of work in the short term. However, the Abs diet is more geared towards
    someone who plans on doing weight training, and it seems like a better
    plan for the long term. My long term goals are to get down to 180
    pounds, and to generally live a healthier lifestyle. I would also love
    to run a full marathon one day. Most of the fad diets out there,
    (atkins, south beach, etc.), do not give me the energy I need to be
    able to lift weights and run. The Abs diet does. However, the one big
    problem I find with the Abs Diet is that it kind of discourages you
    from doing "too much" aerobic training. They claim by doing too much
    aerobic training, you are burning away a lot of the muscle you are
    trying to build. This is a problem because i am going to be doing a lot
    of aerobic training (treadmill/running) to prepare for the race in
    July.

    I guess my dilema is, I want to be able to run that race, but I also
    really want to improve my appearance by losing weight and adding
    muscle. I am basically looking for ANY advice anyone might have, to
    reach my goals. How much running/training do I need to do to be ready
    for a 9 mile run in July? Any diet suggestions? Small healthy meals
    throughout the day? How many calories should I consume a day? Will
    lifting weights be useless if i'm doing a lot of running? Are my goals
    even obtainable in this time frame (3-4 months)?

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    Doug

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    Quoted message said:

    Hello All. I am looking for some training advice. I have three goals I
    wish to accomplish this year. They are:

    1. Lose about 20 pounds.
    2. Improve my appearance by gaining some muscle definition.
    3. Run my very first 9 mile race (Boilermaker in July in Utica, NY).

    I am a 35 year old male, 6.0 feet tall, about 203 pounds. My body fat
    is about 25.5. I have done extensive research on dieting. After looking

    do more research. your conclusion is faulty. you must realize that "fad"
    diet is a pejorative. you've got the rest of your life to lose 20 pounds
    not just by July. Eat a balance diet that supports the exercise you're doing
    and do the exercise. the weight will come off or it won't but if you
    exercise you'll accomplish goals 2 and 3.

    Quoted message said:

    at all the fad diets out there, I feel the Abs Diet from Men's Health
    magazine is the best. I've tried most of these diets and they all kind
    of work in the short term. However, the Abs diet is more geared towards
    someone who plans on doing weight training, and it seems like a better
    plan for the long term. My long term goals are to get down to 180
    pounds, and to generally live a healthier lifestyle. I would also love
    to run a full marathon one day. Most of the fad diets out there,
    (atkins, south beach, etc.), do not give me the energy I need to be
    able to lift weights and run. The Abs diet does. However, the one big
    problem I find with the Abs Diet is that it kind of discourages you
    from doing "too much" aerobic training. They claim by doing too much
    aerobic training, you are burning away a lot of the muscle you are
    trying to build. This is a problem because i am going to be doing a lot

    stuff and nonsense. what do you think you are? an ethiopian? why would your
    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live off?

    Quoted message said:

    of aerobic training (treadmill/running) to prepare for the race in
    July.

    I guess my dilema is, I want to be able to run that race, but I also
    really want to improve my appearance by losing weight and adding
    muscle. I am basically looking for ANY advice anyone might have, to
    reach my goals. How much running/training do I need to do to be ready
    for a 9 mile run in July? Any diet suggestions? Small healthy meals

    find a decent training program and give yourself the time. Runnersworld has
    a variety of trainign programs that will work just fine for you. shoot for a
    ha;f marathon and then the 9 miler will be a cakewalk.

    Quoted message said:

    throughout the day? How many calories should I consume a day? Will

    it's just a simple math problem....make sure that there's still some
    calories left after (BMR + Exercise Calories) - Intake Calories

    Quoted message said:

    lifting weights be useless if i'm doing a lot of running? Are my goals
    even obtainable in this time frame (3-4 months)?

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    Doug

  3. Oops, he slipped up, and forgot to switch ID's.

  4. 1. Lose about 20 pounds.

    Lipposuction.

    2. Improve my appearance by gaining some muscle definition.

    Plastic surgery.

    3. Run my very first 9 mile race (Boilermaker in July in Utica, NY).

    Drive your car, faster, easier, cheaper.

  5. Thanks for the response Paul! I didn't mean to put down the south
    Beach Diet, because honestly, it's not all that different from the Abs
    diet. The Abs diet says to each six small meals a day. The meals
    consist of these basic food groups: Almonds & Nuts, Beans & Legumes,
    Spinach & other green veggies, Fat free or low fat dairy, Oatmeal,
    Eggs, Turkey & lean meats, Peanut butter (natural), Olive oil,
    Whole-grain breads & cereals, whey protein, and berries. I think you
    will find most of the same foods allowed here as the South Beach diet.
    The abs diet goes into a lot of detail about their workouts though.
    Most of it is based on weight training. They say muscle burns fat all
    day long. Aerobics don't burn nearly as much fat throughout the day.
    The bottom line for weight training is, I NEED carbs. Otherwise I won't
    have the energy to lift weights. The key is to eat good carbs. As far
    as my goals go, I'm not looking to gain muscle mass. I just want to
    look lean and cut. Thanks again for the response.

    Thanks to Filthy Sanchez too! Your response was very helpful.

    Doug

  6. Quoted message said:

    Hello All. I am looking for some training advice. I have three
    goals I wish to accomplish this year. They are:

    1. Lose about 20 pounds.
    2. Improve my appearance by gaining some muscle definition.
    3. Run my very first 9 mile race (Boilermaker in July in Utica, NY).

    Having goals with hard deadlines is very helpful. Every time you feel
    like slacking just imagine yourself blowing chunks because you didn't
    get in shape in time for your race. All of a sudden another set (or
    lap) won't seem like such a bad idea.

    Quoted message said:

    I am a 35 year old male, 6.0 feet tall, about 203 pounds. My body
    fat is about 25.5. I have done extensive research on dieting. After
    looking at all the fad diets out there, I feel the Abs Diet from
    Men's Health magazine is the best. I've tried most of these diets
    and they all kind of work in the short term. However, the Abs diet
    is more geared towards someone who plans on doing weight training,
    and it seems like a better plan for the long term. My long term
    goals are to get down to 180 pounds, and to generally live a
    healthier lifestyle. I would also love to run a full marathon one
    day. Most of the fad diets out there, (atkins, south beach, etc.),
    do not give me the energy I need to be able to lift weights and
    run. The Abs diet does. However, the one big problem I find with the
    Abs Diet is that it kind of discourages you from doing "too much"
    aerobic training. They claim by doing too much aerobic training, you
    are burning away a lot of the muscle you are trying to build. This
    is a problem because i am going to be doing a lot of aerobic
    training (treadmill/running) to prepare for the race in July.

    I don't know anything about the "Ab Diet," but if it revolves around
    eating sensibly and lifting weights then it can't be all bad.

    The reason that many weight training based diets warn of excessive
    cardio is simple. Most people have a hard time gaining muscle and
    losing fat at the same time. Basically, your body looks on its fat
    stores as protection against lean times, and so it wants to hang onto
    the fat that it has stored. In most people dieting causes the body to
    lose quite a bit of lean body mass as the body tries to protect itself
    from calorie deficit by burning some muscle. Your body doesn't know
    that you are only going to diet "until the fat is gone," and so it
    starts shedding muscle so that it can survive without a calorie
    deficit on the new lower calorie intake. Your body would rather have
    fat stores for an emergency than big muscles that are only useful for
    moving heavy stuff. That's why it is much easier to put on muscle
    when you are eating enough so that the body isn't worried about it's
    fat stores.

    Growing more muscular is hard work for your body, and it takes a great
    deal of energy. Every calorie that you use running is one more
    calorie that isn't building muscle. Diets that are based around
    weight training (at least the reputable ones) take this into account
    and discourage folks from too much cardio. They argue that the real
    goal is to ramp up your body's metabolism by adding more lean body
    mass.

    Most body builders cycle between "bulking" and "cutting." They spend
    a part of the year eating and getting big, and then they spend a part
    of the year cutting down to the insane body fat percentages that they
    compete at.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess my dilema is, I want to be able to run that race, but I
    also really want to improve my appearance by losing weight and
    adding muscle. I am basically looking for ANY advice anyone might
    have, to reach my goals. How much running/training do I need to do
    to be ready for a 9 mile run in July? Any diet suggestions? Small
    healthy meals throughout the day? How many calories should I consume
    a day? Will lifting weights be useless if i'm doing a lot of
    running? Are my goals even obtainable in this time frame (3-4
    months)?

    I am not an expert at running, but I imagine that you have enough time
    to prepare for the race. You won't set any world records, but you'll
    finish and you'll feel great. After all, the whole point is to do
    stuff that gets you motivated. Think how good you'll feel after that
    race knowing that you have done something that most people will never
    even attempt.

    As for the rest everyone is different. Nutrition and fitness is
    really more about learning how to apply good principles to your own
    life. Everyone is different, and some things that work for one person
    don't work for the next. I would suggest taking extensive notes.
    Write down what you eat, take notes on your workouts, weigh yourself,
    measure your waist, chest, arms, and thighs, purchase fat callipers
    and track your body fat percentage, etc. You will react differently
    to diet, exercise, than everyone else. If you keep careful track of
    your fitness and your fitness goals you can easily tweak your diet and
    exercise so that you can more easily reach your goals. If you keep
    track of how much you eat and how much you weigh then you can easily
    add or subtract calories depending on how you are doing. I personally
    would suggest eating more small meals, but there are all sorts of
    competing theories. For example, google for "pulse feeding protein"
    for another theory.

    Not that it matters much. The real important thing is that you start.
    Once you get hooked on being fit there will be plenty of times to try
    different stuff.

    The good news is that if you are new to weight training you will see
    gains almost no matter what you do. You will definitely start seeing
    results from weight training, even if you are doing "too much" cardio.
    Heck, even if you are only trying to lose weight lifting forces your
    body to keep more lean body mass. Whatever you do, make sure you
    lift.

    After you run your race and you feel like you are well on your way to
    maintaining your healthy habits indefinitely then you can decide if
    you want to concentrate more on lifting or running, and you can
    definitely do both.

    Growing my best friend's dad was exceptionally fit. He ran
    triathlons, and would got to Hawaii every year to run the Ironman. He
    also worked out with weights and achieved a very respectable amount of
    musculature. So distance runners definitely don't have to look like
    beef jerky.

    Do what sounds fun. Compete, and give yourself the opportunity to
    actually use the body you have been working on.

    Jason

  7. Hmm. My son and I have been on a "strict" Atkins diet and have lost 107 lbs
    and 65 lbs in 9 months. while lifting weights with a trainer. My son squats
    about 250.

  8. "Filthy Sanchez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    why would your

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    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live off?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a while,
    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my drift, I'm
    sure.

    As I said, do correct me if I've got that wrong.

    Stephen

  9. Jason Earl said:

    [email hidden] writes:

    Quoted message said:

    Growing my best friend's dad was exceptionally fit. He ran
    triathlons, and would got to Hawaii every year to run the Ironman.


    He

    Quoted message said:

    also worked out with weights and achieved a very respectable amount


    of

    Quoted message said:

    musculature. So distance runners definitely don't have to look like
    beef jerky.

    The best ones do. Any excess weight, even muscle weight, will slow down
    a distance runner. A triathlete is a different story. They need the
    extra muscle to be competitive in swimming and cycling.

  10. "drhowarddrfinedrhoward" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hmm. My son and I have been on a "strict" Atkins diet and have lost 107


    lbs

    Quoted message said:

    and 65 lbs in 9 months. while lifting weights with a trainer. My son


    squats

    Quoted message said:

    about 250.

    I basically live on an eating regimen that is based along the lines of
    Atkins. That is to say that I consciously trim my carbohydrate intake and
    stiffen my protein intake, while paying only moderate attention to the
    amount of fats (both saturated and unsaturated) I ingest. As such, I
    "count* carbohydrate grams rather than calories.

    Two years ago I needed to lose ten pounds of fat and gain more muscle, and I
    began a weight training and cardio workout routine. Contrary to what many
    people think, I had no trouble shedding the fat and adding the muscle mass.
    As long as I stayed consistent, my body could easily tell the difference
    between the two--this in spite of the fact that I was 68 at the time I
    began.

    My total cholesterol numbers are below 190, with both HDL and LDL in safe
    ranges, and my resting heart rate is slower than most younger men.

    I'm not a fitness guru; just an old guy trying to stay in shape.

    --Geno <sirgeno at Ev1dotcom>
    www.mastersfitness.net

  11. "Stephen Mulholland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Filthy Sanchez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    why would your

    Quoted message said:

    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live


    off?

    Quoted message said:


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a


    while,

    Quoted message said:

    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my drift,


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    sure.

    As I said, do correct me if I've got that wrong.

    Stephen

    Stephen, you're going to get contradicting responses to that question.

    Although you did not address me directly, I can say from anecdotal
    experience that when I go for short periods of days without adequate
    food--whether fasting, dieting or due to illness--my muscle mass does not
    suffer. It may just be my personal physiological makeup, but my body
    cannibalizes the fat stores to keep its vital signs righted.

    It is the same phenomenon when I burn lots of energy in high-cardio routines
    for the purpose of *fat loss*. In my <personal> case, the fat comes off,
    and the muscle mass does not diminish.

    Others may have different experiences and/or have been taught differently
    depending on the academic source of their knowledge.

    --Geno <sirgeno at Ev1dotcom>
    www.mastersfitness.net

  12. Stephen Mulholland said:


    Filthy Sanchez said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    why would your
    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live off?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a while,
    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my drift, I'm
    sure.

    I'll make a little less simplistic. There is constant protein
    turnover in muscle. If the protein breakdown exceeds the protein
    synthesis, you are losing muscle protein. On a hypocaloric diet, it
    is probable, though not absolutely certain, that protein breakdown
    will exceed protein synthesis, and the amino acids from the breakdown
    will be deaminated for use in energy metabolism.

    Different energy sources are constantly being used by your body.
    Which source predominates at any given moment is affected by your
    metabolic state.
    --

    JMW
    http://www.rustyiron.net

  13. "Stephen Mulholland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Filthy Sanchez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    why would your

    Quoted message said:

    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live
    off?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a
    while,
    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my
    drift, I'm
    sure.

    As I said, do correct me if I've got that wrong.

    No science, just my personal experience, but I think you're right. When
    I had pneumonia a couple of years ago, I dropped 10 lbs. from my already
    relatively thin body, but I dropped little, if any fat, and I did lose
    mostly muscle. I was fascinated by the results, actually, because I'm
    pretty thin already, and I figured if I lost 10 lbs., certainly I'd lose
    that little bit of fat I still have around my belly, but while I lost a
    small amount of fat from there, it was very obvious to me and everyone
    around me that I lost mostly muscle. The drop in my strength was quite
    dramatic, too.

    I believe that weight lifting while losing weight is important in
    maintaining muscle mass because you are, in effect, telling your body
    that you still need the muscle you've got. The advice the OP received
    about avoiding doing "too much cardio" sounds correct to me. I do
    precious little of it now.

    Still drumming, Stephen?

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  14. "Stephen Mulholland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Filthy Sanchez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    why would your

    Quoted message said:

    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live off?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a
    while,
    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my drift,
    I'm
    sure.

    As I said, do correct me if I've got that wrong.

    Why would i correct you? re-read my quote...."WHEN IT HAS FOOD AND FAT TO
    LIVE OFF". i would say we're in agreement. the point is that you can't lose
    fat by stopping eating and continuing exercise.

    Quoted message said:


    Stephen

  15. I don't doubt the fact that you can lose a lot of weight with the
    atkins diet. I just personally can't do it myself. I've tried it 3
    times and I simply do not have the energy to work out. I also feel sick
    to my stomach when I'm on atkins. I know you are supossed to stick it
    out and that sick feeling is supposed to go away, but it never went
    away for me. I lost weight on atkins, but I think it was mostly because
    I was too sick to eat. Plus, I got very weak and lost a lot of muscle.
    I know it works for some people, just not for me.

  16. Steve Freides said:

    "Stephen Mulholland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Filthy Sanchez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    why would your

    Quoted message said:

    body be silly enough to burn muscle when it has food and fat to live
    off?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    Does the body not "live off" muscle in preference to fat for quite a
    while,
    if there's no food about? Very simplisticly put, but you get my
    drift, I'm
    sure.

    As I said, do correct me if I've got that wrong.

    No science, just my personal experience, but I think you're right. When
    I had pneumonia a couple of years ago, I dropped 10 lbs. from my already
    relatively thin body, but I dropped little, if any fat, and I did lose
    mostly muscle. I was fascinated by the results, actually, because I'm
    pretty thin already, and I figured if I lost 10 lbs., certainly I'd lose
    that little bit of fat I still have around my belly, but while I lost a
    small amount of fat from there, it was very obvious to me and everyone
    around me that I lost mostly muscle. The drop in my strength was quite
    dramatic, too.

    I believe that weight lifting while losing weight is important in
    maintaining muscle mass because you are, in effect, telling your body
    that you still need the muscle you've got. The advice the OP received
    about avoiding doing "too much cardio" sounds correct to me. I do
    precious little of it now.

    Your low bf% may have had a bit to do with it, too. I'm pretty sure
    I've seen Lyle, et al. mention before that the fatter you are, the
    higher percentage of fat the body will cannibalize to meet energy
    demands. But as you pass some threshold, the ratio changes from
    favoring fat to favoring muscle.

    So for the OP, it matters greatly where you are now, where you are
    going, and how you plan to get there.

    -----------
    Proton Soup

    "And all this peace has been deceiving,
    I need some wind to get me sailing"

  17. Quoted message said:

    Hello All. I am looking for some training advice. I have three goals I
    wish to accomplish this year. They are:

    1. Lose about 20 pounds.
    2. Improve my appearance by gaining some muscle definition.
    3. Run my very first 9 mile race (Boilermaker in July in Utica, NY).

    Start small, and gradually build up. By July, you should be up to about
    20 miles per week with a long run of about 7 miles.

    I'd say go with a 4 a week schedule. Start with 2/2/3/3 for the first
    few weeks, then go to 3/3/3/3 then 3/3/3/5, then 4/4/3/6 then 4/4/4/7.
    Spilit these increase up evenly over the available weeks. For example,
    if you have 15 weeks:
    wk 1-3 2/2/3/3
    4-6 3/3/3/3
    7-9 3/3/3/5
    10-12 4/4/3/6
    13-15 4/4/4/7

    If the race is 9 miles, you don't need longer than 7 in training, not if
    your goal is just to finish anyway.

    That training load also happens to be fairly light, so shouldn't cut into
    your weight lifting too badly.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  18. Steve Freides said:


    I believe that weight lifting while losing weight is important in
    maintaining muscle mass because you are, in effect, telling your body
    that you still need the muscle you've got. The advice the OP received
    about avoiding doing "too much cardio" sounds correct to me. I do
    precious little of it now.

    I thought you were into cycling? Maybe I have you confused with someone
    else.

  19. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Steve Freides said:


    I believe that weight lifting while losing weight is important in
    maintaining muscle mass because you are, in effect, telling your body
    that you still need the muscle you've got. The advice the OP
    received
    about avoiding doing "too much cardio" sounds correct to me. I do
    precious little of it now.

    I thought you were into cycling? Maybe I have you confused with
    someone
    else.

    I love cycling (and running), but my body likes weight lifting much
    better. Last summer, my riding consisted of lots of short jaunts around
    town with the occasional 20-miler thrown in every couple of weeks and
    nothing more than that. It will probably be the same this summer as
    well.

    FWIW, I've found my strength/endurance work with kettlebells provides a
    lot of carry-over to the bike and running for relatively short
    distances, e.g., things like a 20 mile bike ride which is a short jaunt
    for anyone who rides a lot. For longer distances, I need to put in the
    mileage on the bike, but for what I do lately, a regular diet of
    kettlebell swings and snatches keeps me ready to ride (or, for that
    matter, run and swim) without much in the way of regular sport-specific
    training - for example, my resting pulse remains in the low 40's and I
    do no regular cycling, no regular running, and my swimming consists of
    400-600 yards once a week. I might get out and run a mile or two once
    every week or two but it's nothing more than that, maybe 10 minutes on a
    bicycle wind trainer every couple of weeks as well.

    To get back to the original point, I'm working on increasing my limit
    strength - kettlebell strength/endurance work does not get in the way of
    my strength gains but more traditional cardio did and would again if I
    did a lot of it, I'm sure. And the kettlebell work provides excellent
    grip training that has had a real carryover to my deadlift, and keeps my
    shoulders healthy (repetitive full ROM in a few directions) and my
    hamstrings flexible (the lack of which is a chronic problem for many
    runners and cyclists). For most people, if a competition at an
    endurance sport isn't their goal but lower body fat and improved
    strength and possibly additional muscle is, focusing on resistance
    training and doing regular cardio but not "too much" is a good thing.
    My personal experience has been that, the older I get, the more
    important strength training is to keep me in the kind of good health I
    want to be in. In my 20's, 30's, and even most of my 40's, running and
    biking were enough.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  20. Steve Freides said:

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Steve Freides said:


    I believe that weight lifting while losing weight is important in
    maintaining muscle mass because you are, in effect, telling your
    body that you still need the muscle you've got. The advice the OP
    received
    about avoiding doing "too much cardio" sounds correct to me. I do
    precious little of it now.

    I thought you were into cycling? Maybe I have you confused with
    someone
    else.

    I love cycling (and running), but my body likes weight lifting much
    better. Last summer, my riding consisted of lots of short jaunts
    around town with the occasional 20-miler thrown in every couple of
    weeks and nothing more than that. It will probably be the same this
    summer as well.

    FWIW, I've found my strength/endurance work with kettlebells provides
    a lot of carry-over to the bike and running for relatively short
    distances, e.g., things like a 20 mile bike ride which is a short
    jaunt for anyone who rides a lot. For longer distances, I need to
    put in the mileage on the bike, but for what I do lately, a regular
    diet of kettlebell swings and snatches keeps me ready to ride (or,
    for that matter, run and swim) without much in the way of regular
    sport-specific training - for example, my resting pulse remains in
    the low 40's and I do no regular cycling, no regular running, and my
    swimming consists of 400-600 yards once a week. I might get out and
    run a mile or two once every week or two but it's nothing more than
    that, maybe 10 minutes on a bicycle wind trainer every couple of
    weeks as well.

    To get back to the original point, I'm working on increasing my limit
    strength - kettlebell strength/endurance work does not get in the way
    of my strength gains but more traditional cardio did and would again
    if I did a lot of it, I'm sure. And the kettlebell work provides
    excellent grip training that has had a real carryover to my deadlift,
    and keeps my shoulders healthy (repetitive full ROM in a few
    directions) and my hamstrings flexible (the lack of which is a
    chronic problem for many runners and cyclists). For most people, if
    a competition at an endurance sport isn't their goal but lower body
    fat and improved strength and possibly additional muscle is, focusing
    on resistance training and doing regular cardio but not "too much" is
    a good thing. My personal experience has been that, the older I get,
    the more important strength training is to keep me in the kind of
    good health I want to be in. In my 20's, 30's, and even most of my
    40's, running and biking were enough.

    I'm certainly in sync with you on resistance training, but I would have
    thought that the downsides of enjoyable forms of endurnace work (ie,
    cycling, running, and swimming) could be counteracted by simply eating more
    food. In other words, keep at the resistance work and do the enjoyable
    cardio forms of exercise, but eat to offset them causing muscle loss.

    Is there some reason this isn't possible? Perhaps you don't like to eat?
    20-miles on a bike ride isn't quite enough for me. But, like you, I do have
    to put more effort in to make it easier, so maybe that's your issue: time
    to train up.

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