Lloyd Track Frame

"Amadeusz Pucek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello everyone!
I've just bought (was very cheap) an LLOYD (looks like track) frame.
I want to make my first fixed gear on it. It's bit rusty in some
places but I hope to make it shine 😉

I have seen this only on pictures and I'll have it in few days in my
hands.
Maby you'll know what kind of suport will fit? This one is totaly
rusty.

Here are pictures:

http://www.allegro.pl/item293350861_rama_meska_lloyd_na_kola_28_cali.html

What do you think about making fixie on it?

Amadeusz

It looks like it is a dedicated fixed gear bike anyway. It is either that or
it might be intended as a frame for a hub gear with a back-pedal brake. I
would bet that it is a true fixed gear bike. It has a very long fork rake,
so it was probably a road/tourer rather than a track bike. Can't say
anything about the brand - the only Lloyd I know of in bicycle building was
Dave Lloyd (not me), who worked from the 80's until just a few years ago. He
is now a coach. This frame is obviously of an earlier era.

I think you'll have trouble with the seat pin. The seller would surely have
removed it if he could. I would bet that you have to cut it out. I'm not
sure about the supply of quill stems these days, they have been obsoleted by
the use of Aheadset type head sets and clamp stems. It was possible to get
adaptors.

Regards,
David Lloyd (not that one)

David Lloyd said:

"Amadeusz Pucek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello everyone!
I've just bought (was very cheap) an LLOYD (looks like track) frame.
I want to make my first fixed gear on it. It's bit rusty in some
places but I hope to make it shine 😉

I have seen this only on pictures and I'll have it in few days in my
hands.
Maby you'll know what kind of suport will fit? This one is totaly
rusty.

Here are pictures:

http://www.allegro.pl/item293350861_rama_meska_lloyd_na_kola_28_cali.html

What do you think about making fixie on it?

Amadeusz

It looks like it is a dedicated fixed gear bike anyway. It is either that or
it might be intended as a frame for a hub gear with a back-pedal brake. I
would bet that it is a true fixed gear bike. It has a very long fork rake,
so it was probably a road/tourer rather than a track bike. Can't say
anything about the brand - the only Lloyd I know of in bicycle building was
Dave Lloyd (not me), who worked from the 80's until just a few years ago. He
is now a coach. This frame is obviously of an earlier era.

I think you'll have trouble with the seat pin. The seller would surely have
removed it if he could. I would bet that you have to cut it out. I'm not
sure about the supply of quill stems these days, they have been obsoleted by
the use of Aheadset type head sets and clamp stems. It was possible to get
adaptors.

Regards,
David Lloyd (not that one)

It's a clunker, originally fitted with a coasterbrake.
Find out what the wheelsize it is designed to take before spending money
--
/Marten

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Thank you for answering.
And what do you think about it's geometry? Would it be comfortable to
ride on it?
Do you think todays parts, like bottom bracket, quill stem wan't fit?

Seller told me it's for 28 wheels.
I want to make a fixie for everyday riding in Warsaw.
Do you think it's waist of money for that on this frame?

Amadeusz Pucek said:

Thank you for answering.
And what do you think about it's geometry? Would it be comfortable to
ride on it?
Do you think todays parts, like bottom bracket, quill stem wan't fit?

It's obviously German ( see coloured bands) so I would expect it to stem
from Bremen where there was a LLoyd shipping line and LLoyd factory's
building cars and what-not. As you found it in Polen it is probably
pre-war. Might be worth what you payed for it or more to a German
collector, leaving you free to find something more suitable

--
/Marten

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[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

It's a clunker, originally fitted with a coasterbrake.
Find out what the wheelsize it is designed to take before spending money

Any idea of the date? I was thinking 1930s-50s.

M-gineering said:

Amadeusz Pucek said:

Thank you for answering.
And what do you think about it's geometry? Would it be comfortable to
ride on it?
Do you think todays parts, like bottom bracket, quill stem wan't fit?

It's obviously German ( see coloured bands) so I would expect it to stem
from Bremen where there was a LLoyd shipping line and LLoyd factory's
building cars and what-not.

Those coloured bands are arc-en-ciel world championship colours
blue-red-black-yellow-green, so there is no clue to the nationality of
the maker there.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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Here are pictures:

http://www.allegro.pl/item293350861_rama_meska_lloyd_na_kola_28_cali.html

What do you think about making fixie on it?

Sheldon Brown has excellent information on building a fixie:
<www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed.html>
<www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html>

The parts you may have problems with are:
o Spacing of the rear droputs - either cold set the frame, or buy a hub
that's the right size.
o Spacing of the front fork dropouts - see Sheldon Brown's site. If the
forks are an obsolete size then you may have difficulty fitting a modern
front hub. I've had no problems forcing a one-size-too-big hub into my
forks, but I'd be wary of forcing in a hub two sizes too big.
o Chainline - mixing mountain bike and road bike hubs/chainsets might give
difficulties
o 1/8" or 3/32" chain? 3/32" is a 'normal' chain. If you're using a
3/32" chain don't get 1/8" components - they're a wee bit too wide for the
chain.

Buying all new components won't be cheap, so second hand is a good idea.
On the other hand a good local bike shop will be delighted to give you
advice and make sure you get the right components if you order through
them.

Mark.

p.s. the frame looks great

Amadeusz Pucek said:

Seller told me it's for 28 wheels.
I want to make a fixie for everyday riding in Warsaw.
Do you think it's waist of money for that on this frame?

28" x 1 1/2 probably 😉

It's a very old roadster frame with slack angles (note the huge rake in
the fork) an no telling how much rust inside etc. If you are into
restoring historic bicycles it might make a project, but if you want a
fixie for the Warschaw streets start again.

Get yourself a 70-s racing bike with horizontal dropouts, preferably one
which was retired soon due to the cost of tubular tires and thus spent
most of it's life in an attic instead of being ruined. TAke it apart and
clean and regrease, respace the hub, rebuild the wheels with new rims,
slap on a fixed cog and you're good to go. Such bikes can be had here
for 100-150 euro's if you're lucky

--
/Marten

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Amadeusz Pucek said:

Thank you for answering.
And what do you think about it's geometry? Would it be comfortable to
ride on it?
Do you think todays parts, like bottom bracket, quill stem wan't fit?

A modern ahead stem can be fitted by using a quill adapter. These adapters
are cheap and easily available. There are plenty of quill stems on the
second-hand market too.

Probably a modern bottom bracket will fit.

~PB