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  1. On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:30:41 -0700, "GaryG"

    garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

    Not over the long term. Compared to the costs for exams, prescriptions,
    contacts/glasses, I suspect LASIK would pay for itself within 10 years or
    so. For me however, the quality of life improvements make the cost savings
    a minor issue.

    GG

    Uh, yeah, it's one of those things where after the treatment, you go 'man,
    I shoulda done that a long time ago'!!

    But if you are nearsighted, and have spent your life being concerned with
    your vision, contacts, glasses, etc., there's often unusual reluctance to
    do anything to your eyes - they've already been a hassle - what if
    something goes wrong. I dunno, maybe other ppl are just the opposite -
    "eyesurgery, no big deal" if it will cure this annoying problem.

    Fortunately, for me, I do really well with contacts. In fact my
    prescription just improved a diopter in each eye, so this pair is fairly
    thin such that I hardly notice them. In fact I've gone and taken a nap,
    forgetting they're in there, and they're not extended wear - didn't seem to
    make a difference.

    But it's night and day when you have good contacts and good wrap-arounds
    when you're biking - for me like watching IMAX vs a 13" tv with glasses,
    heh.

    -B

  2. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:30:41 -0700, "GaryG"

    garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

    Not over the long term. Compared to the costs for exams, prescriptions,
    contacts/glasses, I suspect LASIK would pay for itself within 10 years or
    so. For me however, the quality of life improvements make the cost


    savings

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a minor issue.

    GG

    Uh, yeah, it's one of those things where after the treatment, you go 'man,
    I shoulda done that a long time ago'!!

    But if you are nearsighted, and have spent your life being concerned with
    your vision, contacts, glasses, etc., there's often unusual reluctance to
    do anything to your eyes - they've already been a hassle - what if
    something goes wrong. I dunno, maybe other ppl are just the opposite -
    "eyesurgery, no big deal" if it will cure this annoying problem.

    Fortunately, for me, I do really well with contacts. In fact my
    prescription just improved a diopter in each eye, so this pair is fairly
    thin such that I hardly notice them. In fact I've gone and taken a nap,
    forgetting they're in there, and they're not extended wear - didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    make a difference.

    But it's night and day when you have good contacts and good wrap-arounds
    when you're biking - for me like watching IMAX vs a 13" tv with glasses,
    heh.

    That's how I felt after my LASIK surgery. Due to my astigmatism, I was not
    able to use the soft contact lenses. And even though I wore them for years,
    the hard contacts were still irritating at times (scratchy feeling, dryness,
    etc.). They were a real pain when riding on windy days due to dust and
    debris in the air. Now it's nice to wake up in the morning and look out the
    window with clear vision...without having to grab a pair of glasses, or put
    in a pair of contacts.

    Quoted message said:


    -B

  3. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:30:41 -0700, "GaryG"

    garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:

    Not over the long term. Compared to the costs for exams, prescriptions,
    contacts/glasses, I suspect LASIK would pay for itself within 10 years or
    so. For me however, the quality of life improvements make the cost


    savings

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a minor issue.

    GG

    Uh, yeah, it's one of those things where after the treatment, you go 'man,
    I shoulda done that a long time ago'!!

    But if you are nearsighted, and have spent your life being concerned with
    your vision, contacts, glasses, etc., there's often unusual reluctance to
    do anything to your eyes - they've already been a hassle - what if
    something goes wrong. I dunno, maybe other ppl are just the opposite -
    "eyesurgery, no big deal" if it will cure this annoying problem.

    Fortunately, for me, I do really well with contacts. In fact my
    prescription just improved a diopter in each eye, so this pair is fairly
    thin such that I hardly notice them. In fact I've gone and taken a nap,
    forgetting they're in there, and they're not extended wear - didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    make a difference.

    But it's night and day when you have good contacts and good wrap-arounds
    when you're biking - for me like watching IMAX vs a 13" tv with glasses,
    heh.

    That's how I felt after my LASIK surgery. Due to my astigmatism, I was not
    able to use the soft contact lenses. And even though I wore them for years,
    the hard contacts were still irritating at times (scratchy feeling, dryness,
    etc.). They were a real pain when riding on windy days due to dust and
    debris in the air. Now it's nice to wake up in the morning and look out the
    window with clear vision...without having to grab a pair of glasses, or put
    in a pair of contacts.

    Quoted message said:


    -B

  4. On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:09:47 -0700, "GaryG"

    garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:
    Quoted message said:

    But it's night and day when you have good contacts and good wrap-arounds
    when you're biking - for me like watching IMAX vs a 13" tv with glasses,
    heh.

    That's how I felt after my LASIK surgery. Due to my astigmatism, I was not
    able to use the soft contact lenses. And even though I wore them for years,
    the hard contacts were still irritating at times (scratchy feeling, dryness,
    etc.). They were a real pain when riding on windy days due to dust and
    debris in the air. Now it's nice to wake up in the morning and look out the
    window with clear vision...without having to grab a pair of glasses, or put
    in a pair of contacts.

    Glad to hear you had a great outcome. Did it cure your astigmatism, too?
    IIRC, that's due to waves or wrinkles in the surface of the cornea. Would
    that not require some sort of additional laser smoothing?

    -B

  5. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:09:47 -0700, "GaryG"

    garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com said:
    Quoted message said:

    But it's night and day when you have good contacts and good


    wrap-arounds

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    when you're biking - for me like watching IMAX vs a 13" tv with


    glasses,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    heh.

    That's how I felt after my LASIK surgery. Due to my astigmatism, I was


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    able to use the soft contact lenses. And even though I wore them for


    years,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the hard contacts were still irritating at times (scratchy feeling,


    dryness,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    etc.). They were a real pain when riding on windy days due to dust and
    debris in the air. Now it's nice to wake up in the morning and look out


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    window with clear vision...without having to grab a pair of glasses, or


    put

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in a pair of contacts.

    Glad to hear you had a great outcome. Did it cure your astigmatism, too?
    IIRC, that's due to waves or wrinkles in the surface of the cornea. Would
    that not require some sort of additional laser smoothing?

    Yes, it did. It's my understanding that the newer laser machines take the
    astigmatism into account and differentially shape the cornea to correct the
    astigmatism. There may be limits to its effectiveness, but in my case it
    seems a total correction, despite my moderately severe astigmatism.

    GG

    Quoted message said:


    -B

  6. "Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    In article said:

    I have no problems wearing glasses, though I don't like contacts,
    but I'd like to wear the rudy/oakley style sunglasses when cycling.
    Has anyone had the LASIK thing? How did it go?

    Mike

    Thanks for everyone's thoughts and replies. I guess I'm
    unwilling to roll the dice for LASIK. So my next alternatives
    are contacts, sunglasses with optical inserts, or sunglasses
    with the perscription ground into the lens.

    Does anyone have any thoughts on these alternatives? Which
    manufacturers offer the custom grinding of lenses?

    Mike

    I started a thread in here a while ago about wraparounds with Rx lenses or
    inserts and go lots of good comments and stories based on other folks'
    experiences. I knew LASIK was out according to my opthamologist because of
    too much astigmatism in one eye. The glasses I have come with magnetic
    "clip on" sunglasses, but when clipped on the added weight made them slip
    too far down my nose if I started to sweat even a little. So I looked into
    Oakley's with the prescription section mounted right in the wraparound lens
    (expensive), Rudy project with Rx inserts (still kind of expensive), Bolle
    Vigilante's with Rx insert, and Performance Bike's "house" brand with
    inserts. Since Performance was running a special on the Bolle with Rx
    insert combo I decided to go with them to see how heavy they were and how I
    liked the idea of inserts (how well I could see, fogging, slippage, etc).
    So far, I think they're great...they are light and don't slip - no more
    looking through or over the top of my glasses! I normally have a bifocal
    Rx, but only got the distance portion put on my insert (had it done
    locally - it was cheaper than having Performance do it) and had them put in
    lighter polycarbonate lenses and anti-scratch coating instead of the regular
    plastic lenses. It hasn't been real hot here in the Northeast this summer,
    so fogging hasn't been a problem either. I figure I'll get through another
    year or so with these and if I experience no major problems, I'll step up in
    price to the Rudy's or Oakley's in the future.

  7. "Fred Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Bolle Vigilante's

    Which now seem to have been renamed or replaced by the "Peleton".

    Quoted message said:

    with Rx insert, and Performance Bike's "house"
    brand with inserts. Since Performance was running a special on the
    Bolle with Rx insert combo

    They currently have the Peleton/Rx and Echelon/Rx combos for $69.99, down
    from $109.90. Is that a good deal?

    Quoted message said:

    I decided to go with them to see how heavy
    they were and how I liked the idea of inserts (how well I could see,
    fogging, slippage, etc). So far, I think they're great...they are
    light and don't slip - no more looking through or over the top of my
    glasses! I normally have a bifocal Rx, but only got the distance
    portion put on my insert (had it done
    locally - it was cheaper than having Performance do it) and had them
    put in lighter polycarbonate lenses and anti-scratch coating instead
    of the regular plastic lenses. It hasn't been real hot here in the
    Northeast this summer, so fogging hasn't been a problem either. I
    figure I'll get through another year or so with these and if I
    experience no major problems, I'll step up in price to the Rudy's or
    Oakley's in the future.

    What will they give you the Bolle's don't?

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  8. "DRS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Fred Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Bolle Vigilante's

    Which now seem to have been renamed or replaced by the "Peleton".

    Could be, I haven't checked lately...but when I was looking Bolle had two
    different models that took inserts; the Vigilante and the
    Parole...difference being the Parole were a little smaller lens-wise for
    folks with smaller faces.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with Rx insert, and Performance Bike's "house"
    brand with inserts. Since Performance was running a special on the
    Bolle with Rx insert combo

    They currently have the Peleton/Rx and Echelon/Rx combos for $69.99, down
    from $109.90. Is that a good deal?

    I think that's what I paid, and at the time there was a 10% coupon code
    floating around the internet, so that took another $7 off. About 2 weeks
    after I got mine I saw on a deal site on the web that Supergo had a sale on
    the Vigilante's for $19.99!!! I ordered another pair to have so I could
    keep the smoke lenses in one and the orange/yellow in the second, but was
    too late and they went out of stock before mine shipped - THAT wouild have
    been an excellent price.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I decided to go with them to see how heavy
    they were and how I liked the idea of inserts (how well I could see,
    fogging, slippage, etc). So far, I think they're great...they are
    light and don't slip - no more looking through or over the top of my
    glasses! I normally have a bifocal Rx, but only got the distance
    portion put on my insert (had it done
    locally - it was cheaper than having Performance do it) and had them
    put in lighter polycarbonate lenses and anti-scratch coating instead
    of the regular plastic lenses. It hasn't been real hot here in the
    Northeast this summer, so fogging hasn't been a problem either. I
    figure I'll get through another year or so with these and if I
    experience no major problems, I'll step up in price to the Rudy's or
    Oakley's in the future.

    What will they give you the Bolle's don't?

    The Rudy's, according to reviews I've read on the web, are very durable, and
    offer a great replacement warranty - and I think they are a little more
    stylish (I was looking at the Kerosene model). But I'm not that hard on my
    glasses so I'm not sure if I'd take advantage of the warranty anyway.

    The Oakley M Frame's would offer lighter weight because the prescription
    lens is inserted into the wraparound lens - I could be mistaken but it
    looked to me like Tyler Hamilton had them with a prescription insert at the
    TdF. Also, there should be less chance of fogging since you don't have
    multiple lens surfaces and no chance of getting dirt/debris between the
    wraparound lens and the Rx lens - but since I do mostly road riding, that
    hasn't been an issue with the Bolle's yet either.

    Quoted message said:

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  9. On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:32:40 GMT, "Fred Hall" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I started a thread in here a while ago about wraparounds with Rx lenses or
    inserts and go lots of good comments and stories based on other folks'
    experiences. I knew LASIK was out according to my opthamologist because of
    too much astigmatism in one eye. The glasses I have come with magnetic
    "clip on" sunglasses, but when clipped on the added weight made them slip
    too far down my nose if I started to sweat even a little. So I looked into
    Oakley's with the prescription section mounted right in the wraparound lens
    (expensive), Rudy project with Rx inserts (still kind of expensive), Bolle
    Vigilante's with Rx insert, and Performance Bike's "house" brand with
    inserts. Since Performance was running a special on the Bolle with Rx
    insert combo I decided to go with them to see how heavy they were and how I
    liked the idea of inserts (how well I could see, fogging, slippage, etc).
    So far, I think they're great...they are light and don't slip - no more
    looking through or over the top of my glasses! I normally have a bifocal
    Rx, but only got the distance portion put on my insert (had it done
    locally - it was cheaper than having Performance do it) and had them put in
    lighter polycarbonate lenses and anti-scratch coating instead of the regular
    plastic lenses. It hasn't been real hot here in the Northeast this summer,
    so fogging hasn't been a problem either. I figure I'll get through another
    year or so with these and if I experience no major problems, I'll step up in
    price to the Rudy's or Oakley's in the future.

    Hi, earlier this year, I went with the Tifosi Zoom [list $29.95] with
    insert [$15-20]. The lenses, single vision, cost me $80. I had to make
    small pads, along the top, to keep the glasses out further. My
    eyelashes would hit the insert, before I installed the pads. They have
    worked very well. For someone on a budget, this is a viable solution.

    Well Today, I was in for an eye exam. I have been having some trouble
    reading, I have progressive lenses in my regular glasses. I also had
    some basic single vision sunglasses.
    The day before, I went to four local eyewear stores, looking for new
    cycling frame, or glasses with insert. The couple that had any
    options, weren't what I wanted. I ended up stopping at one of my LBS.
    They had the insert and a couple of pairs of Rudy Project Kerosene. I
    tried them and I bought them. I was able to order progressive lenses
    for the insert. I'll have them in the next 10 days, I'll post an
    update.

    After the Tofosis, I felt confident in going to the more expensive
    RPs. I was lucky enough to get 25% off on them, so that helped. I got
    the Blue Velvet with the Lazer Blue lenses. I'll eventually order a
    set of yellow lenses, for cloudy days.

    Life is Good!
    Jeff

  10. Byron L. Reed said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    I'm something like -5.50/ -6.00, and astigmatic (both eyes, different
    axes!) There are *no* prescription inserts that would serve me, to my
    knowledge. Wraparound style shades are not even remote possibilities.

    Your situation sounds very similar to mine, only my numbers are in the
    high -9s. This means you probably have had a prism correction in your
    lenses since your were old enough to walk, too.

    Aside from the Lasik question, make sure your doc checks carefully for
    Lattice Degeneration, which is common in folks who are highly myopic
    and astigmatic. You may save yourself the pleasure of having your
    retinas detach.

    Mine detached about 8 or 9 years ago. The surgery to fix them went
    well, but the doctor's number one concern is that nothing is done to
    pressure the eyes. For this reason, he expressly forbid me from ever
    even considering Lasik. The pressure from the beam could be enough to
    cause another detachment.

    It's not the beam that causes the pressure; it's the pressure from
    the action of the microkeratome that cuts the flap in your cornea.
    That can be as much as 60mmHg, IIRC.

    Quoted message said:

    One bit of good news though is that I'm getting cataracts at an early
    age. Why good news? There is a new product out called accommodative
    implants. When they suck out your old natural lens, they replace it
    with a synthetic lens that is designed to move like a natural lens --
    plus they build your vision correction right into it. The downside is
    that it costs about $18K/pair, can only be done in pairs, and
    insurance won't touch it.

    The cost will come down over time. If you can hold out for just a
    few years, I imagine the cost will drop dramatically in just that
    amount of time.

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