Larry!

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:02:35 -0400, Madelaine <[email hidden]> wrote:

>DaKitty wrote:
>> I was hoping to see you at the swim meet this weekend???
>
>Usually when people have personal communication with other people that they know from the
>list, they do it off list. This is a newsgroup,

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>a chat room. Madelaine

Is that really a rule? Is it in the FAQ? Haven't read them recently so they could be. OTOH
seems strange if it is <snipped> ~Matt

I don't know why you would consider it strange: it is general newsgroup etiquette to take
personal discussion offline.

From what I've read so far it seems to be a general "reccamondation" not a rule. But I have been
wrong, many times matter of fact...

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But DaKitty claims to be the victim of a "stalker" and uses this as a reason to not provide an
email address. So he/she/it(remember, we don't know anything about DaKitty except that he/she/it
posts garbage excessively) would have us believe that he/she/it is _required_ to communicate
solely through rec.sport.swimming, although he/she/it could instead use:
- another free email address (e.g., Hotmail, Google, MSN),
- any other newsgroup,
- a test newsgroup (these are all over USENET and are largely unread and flushed frequently, thus
perfectly suited for such communications),
- the telephone, telegraph, or fax to communicate with people whom she knows.

I on the other hand _do_ consider it strange that trolls like DaKitty endlessly post [censored] on what
was once a reasonable newsgroup.

It appears that DaKitty has this same problem in other newsgroups to which he/she/it posts. Now
he/she/it has come to squat on rec.sport.swimming. For example, DaKitty has posted over 6,000
times to alt.support.depression and alt.support.depression newsgroups, where she apparently lived
before moving to rec.sport.swimming. You can get a taste of what rec.sport.swimming may look
forward to by perusing his/her posts to that newsgroup:

google.comgroupsOpen ↗

ugroup=alt.support.depression&as_uauthors=DaKitty&lr=&hl=en

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One of the first posts you'll find is titled "Re: Dakitty is an only child. Why can't she shut
up?", which sums up his/her/it's behavior in this newsgroup.

The good news, if any, is that many of his/her/it's posts seem to be concerned with such topics
as suicide or taking drugs. So with any luck he/she/it will soon self-destruct.

tom

Very interesting. I also noticed this as I googled some of her other soon after her first post,
suspecting a troll. Once again I've come to the conclusion, troll or no troll how I respond and
deal with any individual poster is entirely under my control. However I have no control over what
others post. So I really don't care what they post. Personal, Troll, Garbage, interesting et al. I
read and respond as I see fit or desire. Ya gotta love it.

~Matt

I am a troll, you should see my knuckles drag on the ground when I walk... and man, the hair on my
back... Maybe I'd shave a few seconds if I shaved it!

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> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0800, "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >"MJuric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:40 +0100, "M.W.Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
>
> >and trying to control the group.
>
> And yet another concept I don't understand or even believe possible.
>
> ~Matt

It is not possible to be very sucessful at it, but people will try.

This is just why these people aren't liking me much, I'm disturbing

their

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environment, and rather than adapting and adjusting to the change

(like

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Pat

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did, he didn't like what I was saying, so he simply killfiled me,

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what I would expect people would do), some people get intop a power struggle, and take on a
losing battle of trying to control my actions.

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a setup for a dissapointment, trying to control the actions of some streanger on usenet, and
how unrealistic too!

There are number of slight manipulations certain people employ trying

to

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do

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this, guilt trips, all out bullying, complaints, zeroing in on someone

and

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constantly searching for something rtong to point out etc etc. Unfortunately for them, it's
rather easy for me to ignore and not take

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seriously their gripiong, when I understand what they're trying to do.

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have to say to that is, I am the way I am, they'll get used to it eventually.

There is a lot and lot of people out there that are trying to control

their

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environment (which is psychologically maladaptive, and not objective approach to life), rather
than having the control over their reaction

to

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the

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environmental stimulus (which is considered psychologically healthy,

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productive approach to life)

Com'on Kitty, with all of this yapping you could have run some big

math

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numbers instead. "I am the way I am,,," Now that was well said. Fact is, the other

half

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of this newsgroup is starting to figure that out. Maybe this group

needs

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some stirring up. Grrrrrr,,

Rick S.

Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i do,
well, they're not the first,

and

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they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged up and polarized a newsgroup
either. I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me ,especially in a place where different
points of view get debated, it's too much work, I have other, much stronger interests. (like
proving my point - okay, just

kidding)

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As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are they so worried abuot someone
rocking the boat??? Go figure.

Does this mean you're finally going to run "those numbers" that prove how more neoprene will
actually slow you down?

Rick Swangerrrrrrrrrrr

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Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i do,
well, they're not the first,

and

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they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged up

and

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polarized a newsgroup either.

Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned. I'm afraid this is not a troll
for ordinary fun of the random, irritating variety; no, this Kitty is a Tiger in sheep's clothing
(when she's nice). As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at any time can
quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in a hot house in the middle of hell. "I
yam who I yam,,,".

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I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me ,especially in a place where different points
of view get debated, it's too much work, I have other, much stronger interests. (like proving my
point - okay, just

kidding)

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As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are they so worried abuot someone
rocking the boat??? Go figure.

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M.W.Smith said:

MJuric wrote: Public apologies are ok, too. It isn't a big deal, Matt. It's just that every once
in awhile, someone stands out, so you say something about it, and the problem usually goes away.

Maybe once again I look at it differnetly. I really don't see it as a problem. No more than
I would see two people at a party talking to each other over in the corner. If they have no
problem with someone joining there conversation then were's the problem? OTOH if teh
original poster made some comment about "hey I was talking to so and so" then you have a
problem. But as you said no big deal, but if it's really "No big deal" then why the post
about "keep your private posts private"?

For the same reason you posted that one.

martin

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So two individuals cannot carry on a discussion here?

No, as far as netiquette goes, when it gets to the point where it only involves two people, they
should take it to email.

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Can someone start a post by directing a question to specifically one person knowing they have
the answer?

Yes, if it is on topic.

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To me that would actually same you from downloading headers and save you from reading posts that
may be of no interest to you at all.

You can't prevent someone from downloading headers...you don't know what the header is until you
download it. That is why it should be sent via email and rather to the group.

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Their posts are distributed to everyone who subscribes to the group.

Only if you open and read the post. Yes you know "X" is posting to "Y" but not the
conversation. This is teh same as seeing "X" talking to "Y" at a party. the only way to
actually find out what there conversation is is by joining in or listening in.

No, their "conversation" intrudes on my bandwidth. It would be more like someone talking loudly on
their cell phone in the movie theater than two people talking quietly in a corner at a party.

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THAT is why personal communication is considered poor form in usenet. We ALL have to download it.
Perhaps YOU have a cable modem and downloading a few extra messages that are off-topic, or
personal communications is no big deal to you, but the internet extends around the globe, and the
large percentage do NOT have the luxury.

I hardly believe this is a major issue.

Well, as i said, since it is no big deal to you, you to refuse to believe that it's an issue. i
guess, then, that discussion is useless. You've made up your mind.

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And yes, there is an accepted etiquette for usenet behavior. Here's a link to one, if you google,
you'll find many more:

Pertanant info.

* Before you post something to the net, ask yourself whether it is really necessary to publish
("post"😉 it to millions of people all over the world, or whether it might be sufficient to
"mail" it only to the person concerned. Remember the difference between the "reply" and the
"follow-up" functions (or whatever they are called) of your newsreader program.

Granted this may indicate that some personal messages shoudl not be posted. However does
leave it up to the poster to make this descion. Apparently tehy felt it was necessary to
post. And hey this haas been the most active post here for a few days, so was it a bad
descion.

It *has* been the most active post, but only because its inappropriateness has sparked so
many replies.

And your statement that "apparently, they felt it was necessary to post" leaves a lot to be desired.
It is quite obvious that kitty does not do much reflecting before posting. What makes you think she
did in this particular instance?

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* Do not mis-use the net for personal flames, silly jokes, commercial or politcal advertising,
chain letters, or anything that is illegal in one of the participating countries. And never
follow-up to any of these if they happen to occur. Usually it is best to ignore them (hoping that
someone else will take care of the offender) and to put the offending subject line or author name
into your "kill file". If you must react, then use private mail to the author or to his system
administrator.

This is the only other one that came remotely close to "not posting personal messages" and IMO does
not apply either.

Hmmm...apparently you did not read the site. Here are two pertinent quotes from the site:

(in bright red letters at the top!) "When in doubt, use e-mail instead of posting (publishing) to a
newsgroup."

"Before you post something to the net, ask yourself whether it is really necessary to publish
("post"😉 it to millions of people all over the world, or whether it might be sufficient to "mail" it
only to the person concerned."

--
chris

"Nothing is real."

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> > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0800, "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > >"MJuric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:40 +0100, "M.W.Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > >>
> >
> > >and trying to control the group.
> >
> > And yet another concept I don't understand or even believe possible.
> >
> > ~Matt
>
> It is not possible to be very sucessful at it, but people will try.
>
> This is just why these people aren't liking me much, I'm disturbing

their

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> environment, and rather than adapting and adjusting to the change

(like

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Pat
> did, he didn't like what I was saying, so he simply killfiled me,

which

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is

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> what I would expect people would do), some people get intop a power struggle, and take on a
> losing battle of trying to control my

actions.

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What
> a setup for a dissapointment, trying to control the actions of some streanger on usenet, and
> how unrealistic too!
>
> There are number of slight manipulations certain people employ

trying

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to

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do
> this, guilt trips, all out bullying, complaints, zeroing in on

someone

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and

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> constantly searching for something rtong to point out etc etc. Unfortunately for them, it's
> rather easy for me to ignore and not

take

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very
> seriously their gripiong, when I understand what they're trying to

do.

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I
> have to say to that is, I am the way I am, they'll get used to it eventually.
>
> There is a lot and lot of people out there that are trying to

control

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their
> environment (which is psychologically maladaptive, and not objective approach to life),
> rather than having the control over their

reaction

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to

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the
> environmental stimulus (which is considered psychologically healthy,

and

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> productive approach to life)

Com'on Kitty, with all of this yapping you could have run some

big

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math

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numbers instead. "I am the way I am,,," Now that was well said. Fact is, the

other

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half

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of this newsgroup is starting to figure that out. Maybe this group

needs

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some stirring up. Grrrrrr,,

Rick S.

Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i do,
well, they're not the first,

and

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they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged up

and

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polarized a newsgroup either. I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me ,especially in a
place where different points of view get debated, it's too much work, I have other, much
stronger interests. (like proving my point - okay, just

kidding)

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As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are they so worried abuot someone
rocking the boat??? Go figure.

Does this mean you're finally going to run "those numbers" that prove how more neoprene will
actually slow you down?

Rick Swangerrrrrrrrrrr

Old discussion. The guy that initiated rejected that idea. I'm no longer interested, and have no
need to keep it going. Move on.

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> "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i
do, well, they're not the

first,

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they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged up

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polarized a newsgroup either.

Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned. I'm afraid this is not a troll
for ordinary fun of the random, irritating variety; no, this Kitty is a Tiger in sheep's clothing
(when she's nice). As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at any time
can quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in a hot house in the middle of hell.
"I yam who I yam,,,".

well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they shoulf be
well below your radar screen, not worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more about
you than it says about me.

I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get sarcasam
or nonsense in return.

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MJuric pondered, puzzeled, prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
voice, sed: :

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So two individuals cannot carry on a discussion here?

No, as far as netiquette goes, when it gets to the point where it only involves two people, they
should take it to email.

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Can someone start a post by directing a question to specifically one person knowing they have the
answer?

Yes, if it is on topic.

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To me that would actually same you from downloading headers and save you from reading posts that
may be of no interest to you at all.

You can't prevent someone from downloading headers...you don't know what the header is until you
download it. That is why it should be sent via email and rather to the group.

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Their posts are distributed to everyone who subscribes to the group.

Only if you open and read the post. Yes you know "X" is posting to "Y" but not the conversation.
This is teh same as seeing "X" talking to "Y" at a party. the only way to actually find out what
there conversation is is by joining in or listening in.

No, their "conversation" intrudes on my bandwidth. It would be more like someone talking loudly on
their cell phone in the movie theater than two people talking quietly in a corner at a party.

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THAT is why personal communication is considered poor form in usenet. We ALL have to download
it. Perhaps YOU have a cable modem and downloading a few extra messages that are off-topic, or
personal communications is no big deal to you, but the internet extends around the globe, and
the large percentage do NOT have the luxury.

I hardly believe this is a major issue.

Well, as i said, since it is no big deal to you, you to refuse to believe that it's an issue. i
guess, then, that discussion is useless. You've made up your mind.

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And yes, there is an accepted etiquette for usenet behavior. Here's a link to one, if you
google, you'll find many more:

Pertanant info.

* Before you post something to the net, ask yourself whether it is really necessary to
publish ("post"😉 it to millions of people all over the world, or whether it might be
sufficient to "mail" it only to the person concerned. Remember the difference between the
"reply" and the "follow-up" functions (or whatever they are called) of your newsreader
program.

Granted this may indicate that some personal messages shoudl not be posted. However does leave
it up to the poster to make this descion. Apparently tehy felt it was necessary to post. And hey
this haas been the most active post here for a few days, so was it a bad descion.

It *has* been the most active post, but only because its inappropriateness has sparked so many
replies.

And your statement that "apparently, they felt it was necessary to post" leaves a lot to be
desired. It is quite obvious that kitty does not do much reflecting before posting. What makes you
think she did in this particular instance?

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* Do not mis-use the net for personal flames, silly jokes, commercial or politcal advertising,
chain letters, or anything that is illegal in one of the participating countries. And never
follow-up to any of these if they happen to occur. Usually it is best to ignore them (hoping
that someone else will take care of the offender) and to put the offending subject line or
author name into your "kill file". If you must react, then use private mail to the author or to
his system administrator.

This is the only other one that came remotely close to "not posting personal messages" and IMO
does not apply either.

Hmmm...apparently you did not read the site. Here are two pertinent quotes from the site:

(in bright red letters at the top!) "When in doubt, use e-mail instead of posting (publishing) to
a newsgroup."

"Before you post something to the net, ask yourself whether it is really necessary to publish
("post"😉 it to millions of people all over the world, or whether it might be sufficient to "mail"
it only to the person concerned."

You mean like you caould have taken your usenet etiquette *education* for Matt into email,
considering it's a private conversation that has very little to do with swimming?

May I quote you?

"Before you post something to the net, ask yourself whether it is really necessary to publish
("post"😉 it to millions of people all over the world, or whether it might be sufficient to "mail" it
only to the person concerned."

Isn't there milions and milions of bytes of info on Usenet etiquette available on line already? I
mean, you're just voicing your grievance and opinion about someone's posting style, because you're
of the opinion that it doesn't belong into an unmoderated free access newsgroup. But yet, according
to your own logic, your grievance posts don't belong there either. If you have an issue with
someone's posting style, why not email them, and talk to them about it in private??? Just like you
suggest other people deal with personal matters.

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> > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0800, "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"MJuric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > >"]news:[email hidden]...
> > > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:40 +0100, "M.W.Smith" <[email hidden]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >and trying to control the group.
> > >
> > > And yet another concept I don't understand or even believe possible.
> > >
> > > ~Matt
> >
> > It is not possible to be very sucessful at it, but people will

try.

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> > This is just why these people aren't liking me much, I'm

disturbing

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> > environment, and rather than adapting and adjusting to the change

(like

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> Pat
> > did, he didn't like what I was saying, so he simply killfiled me,

which

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> > what I would expect people would do), some people get intop a

power

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> > struggle, and take on a losing battle of trying to control my

actions.

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> What
> > a setup for a dissapointment, trying to control the actions of

some

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> > streanger on usenet, and how unrealistic too!
> >
> > There are number of slight manipulations certain people employ

trying

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to

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> do
> > this, guilt trips, all out bullying, complaints, zeroing in on

someone

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and
> > constantly searching for something rtong to point out etc etc. Unfortunately for them,
> > it's rather easy for me to ignore and not

take

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> very
> > seriously their gripiong, when I understand what they're trying to

do.

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> I
> > have to say to that is, I am the way I am, they'll get used to it eventually.
> >
> > There is a lot and lot of people out there that are trying to

control

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> their
> > environment (which is psychologically maladaptive, and not

objective

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> > approach to life), rather than having the control over their

reaction

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to

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> the
> > environmental stimulus (which is considered psychologically

healthy,

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and

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> > productive approach to life)
>
> Com'on Kitty, with all of this yapping you could have run some

big

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math
> numbers instead. "I am the way I am,,," Now that was well said. Fact is, the

other

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half
> of this newsgroup is starting to figure that out. Maybe this group

needs

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> some stirring up. Grrrrrr,,
>
> Rick S.
>
Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i
do, well, they're not the

first,

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they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged up

and

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polarized a newsgroup either. I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me ,especially
in a

place

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where different points of view get debated, it's too much work, I have other, much stronger
interests. (like proving my point - okay, just

kidding)

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As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are they so worried abuot someone
rocking the boat??? Go figure.

Does this mean you're finally going to run "those numbers" that prove

how

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more neoprene will actually slow you down?

Rick Swangerrrrrrrrrrr

Old discussion. The guy that initiated rejected that idea. I'm no longer interested, and have no
need to keep it going. Move on.

Well now, there's your problem. Little sense of humor.

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> >
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> > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0800, "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"MJuric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > >"]news:[email hidden]...
> > > > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:40 +0100, "M.W.Smith" <[email hidden]>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > >and trying to control the group.
> > > >
> > > > And yet another concept I don't understand or even believe possible.
> > > >
> > > > ~Matt
> > >
> > > It is not possible to be very sucessful at it, but people will

try.

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> > >
> > > This is just why these people aren't liking me much, I'm

disturbing

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> their
> > > environment, and rather than adapting and adjusting to the

change

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(like
> > Pat
> > > did, he didn't like what I was saying, so he simply killfiled

me,

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which
> is
> > > what I would expect people would do), some people get intop a

power

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> > > struggle, and take on a losing battle of trying to control my

actions.

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> > What
> > > a setup for a dissapointment, trying to control the actions of

some

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> > > streanger on usenet, and how unrealistic too!
> > >
> > > There are number of slight manipulations certain people employ

trying

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to
> > do
> > > this, guilt trips, all out bullying, complaints, zeroing in on

someone

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> and
> > > constantly searching for something rtong to point out etc etc. Unfortunately for them,
> > > it's rather easy for me to ignore and

not

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take

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> > very
> > > seriously their gripiong, when I understand what they're trying

to

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do.

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> All
> > I
> > > have to say to that is, I am the way I am, they'll get used to

it

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> > > eventually.
> > >
> > > There is a lot and lot of people out there that are trying to

control

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> > their
> > > environment (which is psychologically maladaptive, and not

objective

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> > > approach to life), rather than having the control over their

reaction

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to
> > the
> > > environmental stimulus (which is considered psychologically

healthy,

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and
> > > productive approach to life)
> >
> > Com'on Kitty, with all of this yapping you could have run

some

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big

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> math
> > numbers instead. "I am the way I am,,," Now that was well said. Fact is, the

other

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> half
> > of this newsgroup is starting to figure that out. Maybe this

group

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needs
> > some stirring up. Grrrrrr,,
> >
> > Rick S.
> >
> Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i
> do, well, they're not the

first,

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and
> they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged

up

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and

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> polarized a newsgroup either. I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me ,especially
> in a

place

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> where different points of view get debated, it's too much work, I

have

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> other, much stronger interests. (like proving my point - okay, just
kidding)
>
> As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are they

so

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> worried abuot someone rocking the boat??? Go figure.

Does this mean you're finally going to run "those numbers" that prove

how

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more neoprene will actually slow you down?

Rick Swangerrrrrrrrrrr

Old discussion. The guy that initiated rejected that idea. I'm no longer interested, and have no
need to keep it going. Move on.

Well now, there's your problem. Little sense of humor.

[DaKitty: Puts on her paddles and starts backstroking drill] oops, Was I too deadpan for you! :P

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> "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> "]news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >
> Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how i
> do, well, they're not the

first,

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and
> they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've charged

up

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and

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> polarized a newsgroup either.

Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned.

I'm

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afraid this is not a troll for ordinary fun of the random, irritating variety; no, this Kitty is
a Tiger in sheep's clothing (when she's

nice).

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As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at any time can quickly
degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in a

hot

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house in the middle of hell. "I yam who I yam,,,".

well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they shoulf be
well below your radar screen, not worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more about
you than it says about me.

All of your babbling shows much more about you than anyone else.

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I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get sarcasam
or nonsense in return.

You promote head on nonsense. You admitted earlier, "polarizing newsgroups". You are a head case
and now this entire news group realizes this. It doesn't take much for you to blow sky high. Only
child syndrome.

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>
> "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:NGDnb.45895$gi2.30317@fed1read01...
> > "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > >
> > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > >
> > Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how
> > i do, well, they're not the

first,

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> and
> > they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've

charged

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up

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and
> > polarized a newsgroup either.

Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned.

I'm

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afraid this is not a troll for ordinary fun of the random, irritating variety; no, this Kitty
is a Tiger in sheep's clothing (when she's

nice).

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As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at

any

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time can quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in a

hot

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house in the middle of hell. "I yam who I yam,,,".

well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they shoulf be
well below your radar screen, not worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more
about you than it says about me.

All of your babbling shows much more about you than anyone else.

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I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get
sarcasam or nonsense in return.

You promote head on nonsense. You admitted earlier, "polarizing newsgroups". You are a head case
and now this entire news group realizes this. It doesn't take much for you to blow sky high.
Only child

syndrome.

You should google the guy that brought up the "only child" syndrome if you really want to see a
headcase. He started cownloading porno pictures and movies and posting them on his website claiming
that was me. It [censored] him off that I wouldn't talk to him much, while he thought he was in love
with me. (Cause I said HI to him once, in a newsgroup.) You seem to be taking up after him.he lost
his ISP over that little stunt, twice. He backed off by the time I figured if it was possible to
file a restraining order against someone in Vancouver, from California. Speaking of head-cases,
you're not gonna get as obsessive as him, are you? You are kind of starting along those lines.

I think to be on a safe side, I'm gonna plonk you, so I don't encourage you any more.

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"]news:[email hidden]...
>
> "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:NGDnb.45895$gi2.30317@fed1read01...
> > "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > >
> > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:RCznb.45160$gi2.4845@fed1read01...
> > > > <MJuric> wrote in message
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> > > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:36:59 -0800, "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"MJuric" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > >"]news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:40 +0100, "M.W.Smith" <[email hidden]>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > >and trying to control the group.
> > > > >
> > > > > And yet another concept I don't understand or even believe possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Matt
> > > >
> > > > It is not possible to be very sucessful at it, but people will

try.

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> > > >
> > > > This is just why these people aren't liking me much, I'm

disturbing

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> > their
> > > > environment, and rather than adapting and adjusting to the

change

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> (like
> > > Pat
> > > > did, he didn't like what I was saying, so he simply killfiled

me,

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> which
> > is
> > > > what I would expect people would do), some people get intop a

power

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> > > > struggle, and take on a losing battle of trying to control my
actions.
> > > What
> > > > a setup for a dissapointment, trying to control the actions of

some

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> > > > streanger on usenet, and how unrealistic too!
> > > >
> > > > There are number of slight manipulations certain people employ
trying
> to
> > > do
> > > > this, guilt trips, all out bullying, complaints, zeroing in on
someone
> > and
> > > > constantly searching for something rtong to point out etc etc. Unfortunately for them,
> > > > it's rather easy for me to ignore and

not

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take
> > > very
> > > > seriously their gripiong, when I understand what they're

trying

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to

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do.
> > All
> > > I
> > > > have to say to that is, I am the way I am, they'll get used to

it

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> > > > eventually.
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot and lot of people out there that are trying to
control
> > > their
> > > > environment (which is psychologically maladaptive, and not

objective

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> > > > approach to life), rather than having the control over their
reaction
> to
> > > the
> > > > environmental stimulus (which is considered psychologically

healthy,

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> and
> > > > productive approach to life)
> > >
> > > Com'on Kitty, with all of this yapping you could have run

some

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big
> > math
> > > numbers instead. "I am the way I am,,," Now that was well said. Fact is,

the

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other
> > half
> > > of this newsgroup is starting to figure that out. Maybe this

group

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> needs
> > > some stirring up. Grrrrrr,,
> > >
> > > Rick S.
> > >
> > Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or how
> > i do, well, they're not the

first,

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> and
> > they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've

charged

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up

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and
> > polarized a newsgroup either. I can't be bothered making sure everyone likes me
> > ,especially in a

place

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> > where different points of view get debated, it's too much work, I

have

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> > other, much stronger interests. (like proving my point - okay,

just

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> kidding)
> >
> > As for stirring up... with all these swimmewrs around, why are

they

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so

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> > worried abuot someone rocking the boat??? Go figure.
>
> Does this mean you're finally going to run "those numbers" that

prove

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how

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> more neoprene will actually slow you down?
>
> Rick Swangerrrrrrrrrrr
>
Old discussion. The guy that initiated rejected that idea. I'm no longer interested, and have
no need to keep it going. Move on.

Well now, there's your problem. Little sense of humor.

[DaKitty: Puts on her paddles and starts backstroking drill] oops, Was I too deadpan for you! :P

That's more like it!

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> >
> > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:NGDnb.45895$gi2.30317@fed1read01...
> > > "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > >
> > > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or
> > > how i do, well, they're not

the

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first,
> > and
> > > they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've

charged

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up

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> and
> > > polarized a newsgroup either.
>
>
> Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned.

I'm

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> afraid this is not a troll for ordinary fun of the random,

irritating

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> variety; no, this Kitty is a Tiger in sheep's clothing (when she's

nice).

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> As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at

any

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Quoted message said:

> time can quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in

a

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hot

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> house in the middle of hell. "I yam who I yam,,,".

well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they shoulf
be well below your radar screen,

not

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worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more about you than it says about me.

All of your babbling shows much more about you than anyone else.

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I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get
sarcasam or nonsense in return.

You promote head on nonsense. You admitted earlier, "polarizing newsgroups". You are a head case
and now this entire news group

realizes

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this. It doesn't take much for you to blow sky high. Only child

syndrome.

Oh, and if you wanna come up with a good put down, you need to come up with something that is
actually true and hits home, otherwise it's just a lie and a slander. [DaKitty... Considering
helping Swagner come up with some flames that would actually work, and save him so much
stabbing in the dark] Lemme help you... Something that is true... I used to be very overweight.
Parhapos that would give you some better flaming material, you know, something that may
actually hit home and hurt.

Second thought, your agenda is rather obvious, there's not a thing that you could say that I could
take very seriously. People who spar with me in nonsense-land, I don't think higly of them. One
could say it's probably for the same reason a guy seldom marries a chick that he had a
one-night-stand with.

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> >
> > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:NGDnb.45895$gi2.30317@fed1read01...
> > > "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > >
> > > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or
> > > how i do, well, they're not

the

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first,
> > and
> > > they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've

charged

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up

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> and
> > > polarized a newsgroup either.
>
>
> Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially forewarned.

I'm

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> afraid this is not a troll for ordinary fun of the random,

irritating

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Quoted message said:

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> variety; no, this Kitty is a Tiger in sheep's clothing (when she's

nice).

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> As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise at

any

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Quoted message said:

> time can quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's in

a

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Quoted message said:

hot

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> house in the middle of hell. "I yam who I yam,,,".

well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they shoulf
be well below your radar screen,

not

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Quoted message said:

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worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more about you than it says about me.

All of your babbling shows much more about you than anyone else.

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I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get
sarcasam or nonsense in return.

You promote head on nonsense. You admitted earlier, "polarizing newsgroups". You are a head case
and now this entire news group

realizes

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this. It doesn't take much for you to blow sky high. Only child

syndrome.

You should google the guy that brought up the "only child" syndrome if you really want to see a
headcase. He started cownloading porno pictures and movies and posting them on his website
claiming that was me. It [censored] him off that I wouldn't talk to him much, while he thought he

was

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in love with me. (Cause I said HI to him once, in a newsgroup.) You seem to be taking up after
him.he lost his ISP over that little stunt, twice. He backed off by the time I figured if it was
possible to file a

restraining

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order against someone in Vancouver, from California. Speaking of head-cases, you're not gonna get
as obsessive as him, are you? You are kind of starting along those lines.

I think to be on a safe side, I'm gonna plonk you, so I don't encourage

you

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any more.

Plonk me, I dare you. Was that another deadpan?

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> "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> "]news:[email hidden]...
> > >
> > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:NGDnb.45895$gi2.30317@fed1read01...
> > > > "Swanger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > "]news:[email hidden]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "DaKitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > > Heh, let them stir. They'll get over it eventually. If they don't like me, or what or
> > > > how i do, well, they're not

the

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> first,
> > > and
> > > > they won't be the last. And it won't be the first time I've

charged

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up
> > and
> > > > polarized a newsgroup either.
> >
> >
> > Well, there you have it folks. You have been officially

forewarned.

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I'm
> > afraid this is not a troll for ordinary fun of the random,

irritating

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> > variety; no, this Kitty is a Tiger in sheep's clothing (when

she's

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nice).
> > As we have seen, any debate or conversation, private or otherwise

at

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any

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> > time can quickly degenerate and melt down faster than two M & M's

in

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a

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hot
> > house in the middle of hell. "I yam who I yam,,,".
>
> well, then, don't participate in degenerate conversations. If you're so superior, they
> shoulf be well below your radar screen,

not

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> worth getting into. The fact that you do, says a lot more about you than it says about

me.

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Quoted message said:

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All of your babbling shows much more about you than anyone else.

> I answer seriously to things I see merit a serious response. When I see nonsense, you get
> sarcasam or nonsense in return.

You promote head on nonsense. You admitted earlier, "polarizing newsgroups". You are a head
case and now this entire news group

realizes

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this. It doesn't take much for you to blow sky high. Only child

syndrome.

Oh, and if you wanna come up with a good put down, you need to come up

with

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something that is actually true and hits home, otherwise it's just a lie

and

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a slander. [DaKitty... Considering helping Swagner come up with some flames that

would

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actually work, and save him so much stabbing in the dark] Lemme help you... Something that is
true... I used to be very overweight. Parhapos that would give you some better flaming material,
you know, something that may actually hit home and hurt.

Second thought, your agenda is rather obvious, there's not a thing that

you

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could say that I could take very seriously. People who spar with me in nonsense-land, I don't
think higly of them. One could say it's probably

for

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the same reason a guy seldom marries a chick that he had a one-night-stand with.

Two more babbling paragraphs. Yep,,,,full blown head case. You are now successfully polarizing the
group. Remember,,, never miss a chance to shut up. (plonk me, I dare you)

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One of the first posts you'll find is titled "Re: Dakitty is an only child. Why can't she shut
up?", which sums up his/her/it's behavior in this newsgroup.

The good news, if any, is that many of his/her/it's posts seem to be concerned with such topics as
suicide or taking drugs. So with any luck he/she/it will soon self-destruct.

tom

Bingo! I do believe you've summed it up quite nicely, Tom

Pat in TX