Landis impressive today, but...

[Keith]

....it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.

 

[[email protected]]

Keith wrote:
> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.

Landis has his first day ever in yellow and you're comparing him to
Merckx and Hinault and calling him a chump, a day after he announces
that he's been riding with bone-on-bone in his hip for 2 years without
painkillers or whining?

Your yellow jersey came from Nashbar, so I guess that gives you the
right to dump on him.

Contender for "RBR's Most Idiotic Posting of the '06 Tour".

 

[bob sullivan]

Keith wrote:
> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.

Bet Floyd would rather wear yellow in the Tour rather than in the
Dauphine. Leipheimer would, too.

~bob

 

[Keith]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:33:55 -0400, bob sullivan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Keith wrote:
>> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>
>Bet Floyd would rather wear yellow in the Tour rather than in the
>Dauphine. Leipheimer would, too.

True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.

>~bob

 

[Keith]

On 13 Jul 2006 16:31:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>
>Keith wrote:
>> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>
>Landis has his first day ever in yellow and you're comparing him to
>Merckx and Hinault and calling him a chump, a day after he announces
>that he's been riding with bone-on-bone in his hip for 2 years without
>painkillers or whining?
>
>Your yellow jersey came from Nashbar, so I guess that gives you the
>right to dump on him.
>
>Contender for "RBR's Most Idiotic Posting of the '06 Tour".

You're an idiot.

 

[trg]

"Keith" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
| On 13 Jul 2006 16:31:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
|
| >
| >Keith wrote:
| >> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
| >> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
| >> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
| >> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
| >> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
| >
| >Landis has his first day ever in yellow and you're comparing him to
| >Merckx and Hinault and calling him a chump, a day after he announces
| >that he's been riding with bone-on-bone in his hip for 2 years without
| >painkillers or whining?
| >
| >Your yellow jersey came from Nashbar, so I guess that gives you the
| >right to dump on him.
| >
| >Contender for "RBR's Most Idiotic Posting of the '06 Tour".
|
| You're an idiot.
|

non sequitur

 

[[email protected]]

> True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
> Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.

No it's not.

 

[bob sullivan]

Keith wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:33:55 -0400, bob sullivan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Keith wrote:
>>>...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>>>Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>>>such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>>>like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>>>champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>>
>>Bet Floyd would rather wear yellow in the Tour rather than in the
>>Dauphine. Leipheimer would, too.
>
> True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
> Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.

Geez, maybe the guy just had a bad day. You could see how that
might happen when the bones in your leg are scraping against
each other with each bloody pedal stroke.

~bob

 

[trg]

<[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
|
|
| > True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
| > Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.
|
| No it's not.
|

Give a pint, crit goes down 7 points. Three weeks later it's back to normal,
and you've got a pint you can use.to boost 6 points. That's a swing of 13
points.

Or did you mean that anyone can have a bad day?

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 13 Jul 2006 16:31:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>Keith wrote:
>>> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>>> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>>> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>>> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>>> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>>
>>Landis has his first day ever in yellow and you're comparing him to
>>Merckx and Hinault and calling him a chump, a day after he announces
>>that he's been riding with bone-on-bone in his hip for 2 years without
>>painkillers or whining?
>>
>>Your yellow jersey came from Nashbar, so I guess that gives you the
>>right to dump on him.
>>
>>Contender for "RBR's Most Idiotic Posting of the '06 Tour".
>
> You're an idiot.

But an accurate one Chump.

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

Keith wrote:
> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.





Dumbass -


Don't be a jackass. Even Merckx "only" won 1/3 of his races in his
prime and Landis is no Eddy Merckx.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[Scott]

trg wrote:
> <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
> |
> |
> | > True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
> | > Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.
> |
> | No it's not.
> |
>
> Give a pint, crit goes down 7 points. Three weeks later it's back to normal,
> and you've got a pint you can use.to boost 6 points. That's a swing of 13
> points.
>
> Or did you mean that anyone can have a bad day?

Sounds like you just accused Floyd of blood doping???

How about this explanation: when he realized that he'd have to go too
deep into the red to ride the Dauphine competitively, he rode it for
training, never really dipping into the red.

Not hard to imagine at all that at a training pace he'd be 15 minutes
behind Levi, et al... riding at race pace.

He wasn't having a bad day, he deliberately didn't waste himself.

 

[trg]

"Scott" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

trg wrote:
> <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
> |
> |
> | > True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
> | > Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.
> |
> | No it's not.
> |
>
> Give a pint, crit goes down 7 points. Three weeks later it's back to
> normal,
> and you've got a pint you can use.to boost 6 points. That's a swing of 13
> points.
>
> Or did you mean that anyone can have a bad day?

Sounds like you just accused Floyd of blood doping???


No, I accused him have having a bad day. But doping, or not pushing it when
he say he couldn't keep up could also explain his results.

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, bob sullivan
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Keith wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:33:55 -0400, bob sullivan
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Keith wrote:
>>>>...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>>>>Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>>>>such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>>>>like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>>>>champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>>>
>>>Bet Floyd would rather wear yellow in the Tour rather than in the
>>>Dauphine. Leipheimer would, too.
>>
>> True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
>> Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.
>
> Geez, maybe the guy just had a bad day. You could see how that
> might happen when the bones in your leg are scraping against
> each other with each bloody pedal stroke.

Exactly. I hope he can make it to Paris, but with a serious health
problem and a relatively weak team I'd be very surprised if he can get
there in yellow.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/


... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

 

[Donald Munro]

trg wrote:
>> Give a pint, crit goes down 7 points. Three weeks later it's back to normal,
>> and you've got a pint you can use.to boost 6 points. That's a swing of 13
>> points.
>>
>> Or did you mean that anyone can have a bad day?

Scott wrote:
> Sounds like you just accused Floyd of blood doping???

> How about this explanation: when he realized that he'd have to go too
> deep into the red to ride the Dauphine competitively, he rode it for
> training, never really dipping into the red.

So dipping into the red is a diminutive form of tapping. Or not.

 

[Tuschinski]

Keith wrote:
> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
> Dauphiné. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.

Actually in a lot of profesional schemes the Duphine is very important
for preperation and yes, I am pointing towards blood doping^^

 

[RonSonic]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:41:00 +0200, Donald Munro <[email protected]>
wrote:

>trg wrote:
>>> Give a pint, crit goes down 7 points. Three weeks later it's back to normal,
>>> and you've got a pint you can use.to boost 6 points. That's a swing of 13
>>> points.
>>>
>>> Or did you mean that anyone can have a bad day?
>
>Scott wrote:
>> Sounds like you just accused Floyd of blood doping???
>
>> How about this explanation: when he realized that he'd have to go too
>> deep into the red to ride the Dauphine competitively, he rode it for
>> training, never really dipping into the red.
>
>So dipping into the red is a diminutive form of tapping. Or not.

Definitive.

Ron

 

[Bob Martin]

in 513881 20060714 100836 "Tuschinski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Keith wrote:
>> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
>> Dauphin=E9. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
>> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
>> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
>> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
>
>Actually in a lot of profesional schemes the Duphine is very important
>for preperation and yes, I am pointing towards blood doping^^

Don't be daft, only Europeans cheat.

 

[Tuschinski]

Bob Martin wrote:
> in 513881 20060714 100836 "Tuschinski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Keith wrote:
> >> ...it's a bit appalling to think how he rode like an iron in the
> >> Dauphin=E9. You would never have seen a guy like Hinault or Merckx take
> >> such a beating a month before the TdF, I guess they don't make them
> >> like that anymore, eh ? Sure things have changed, but in my book a
> >> champ is a champ and Landis was a chump in the Dauphine.
> >
> >Actually in a lot of profesional schemes the Duphine is very important
> >for preperation and yes, I am pointing towards blood doping^^
>
> Don't be daft, only Europeans cheat.

Phonak is a European team, so the purity of the non-Europeans is still
defendable^^

 

[jerry in vermont]

> >
> >Bet Floyd would rather wear yellow in the Tour rather than in the
> >Dauphine. Leipheimer would, too.
>
> True, still hard to explain how he could be 15 minutes down on the
> Ventoux and the Toussure and riding everyone off his wheel today.
>

Is it also hard to explain why Leipheimer would have WON the DL and
then finish 5 minutes down in the TT?

Geez, July is a bad month around here.