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  1. Mansmind said:

    So the fact that another guy currently racing, and losing 8kg in weight enabling him to become more efficient in climbing.. is pure bull**** as well? I wasn't referencing the study specifically.. I was pointing out that physical changes in two different riders seem to have provided better performance, specifically in the mountains.


    According the "study" of Dr. Edward F. Coyle (University of Texas) the weight of Lance Armstrong didn't show that loss :
    * 11/1992 : 78,9 kg
    * 01/1993 : 76,5 kg
    * 09/1993 : 75,1 kg
    * 08/1997 : 79,5 kg
    * 09/1999 : 79,7 kg
    Dr.Coyle published the erroneous "study" saying Lance had changed his physiology after cancer...
    Of course, none of his collegues have agreed with him. He was blamed for his sloppy work!
    Improved muscular efficiency displayed as Tour de France champion matures -- Coyle 98 (6): 2191 -- Journal of Applied Physiology
    See all links in response to that "study"
    The Science of Sport: Coyle and Armstrong: Research "errors" evaluation

  2. poulidor said:

    According the "study" of Dr. Edward F. Coyle (University of Texas) the weight of Lance Armstrong didn't show that loss :
    * 11/1992 : 78,9 kg
    * 01/1993 : 76,5 kg
    * 09/1993 : 75,1 kg
    * 08/1997 : 79,5 kg
    * 09/1999 : 79,7 kg
    Dr.Coyle published the erroneous "study" saying Lance had changed his physiology after cancer...
    Of course, none of his collegues have agreed with him. He was blamed for his sloppy work!
    Improved muscular efficiency displayed as Tour de France champion matures -- Coyle 98 (6): 2191 -- Journal of Applied Physiology
    See all links in response to that "study"
    The Science of Sport: Coyle and Armstrong: Research "errors" evaluation

    Thanks for the info! Very interesting in that he APPEARS to have lost weight. I guess he just moved it around some. His upper torso appears much more lean to me post cancer.

  3. The most damaging piece is
    Cyclismag, le cyclisme à visage humain : magazine du cyclisme

    That is damaging not only for Lance but other riders, we can see easily the effect of EPO on performance. Who can believe that it's possible to win against riders who have 20% more power than riders like Hinault or Lemond?

    Coherent with
    The Science of Sport: The effect of EPO on performance: Who wouldn't want to use it?

  4. Mansmind said:

    So the fact that another guy currently racing, and losing 8kg in weight enabling him to become more efficient in climbing.. is pure bull**** as well? I wasn't referencing the study specifically.. I was pointing out that physical changes in two different riders seem to have provided better performance, specifically in the mountains.

    Yup, it's bullsh!t. Armstrong's racing weight was an issue during the SCA arbitration. In his deposition Armstrong was forced to admit that his weight loss was less than one or two kilos (I forget which). He was extremely evasive during questioning. He raced the 2005 TdF at 75 kg, which is no lighter and maybe even slightly heavier than he raced TdFs at before cancer.

    Armstrong has a history of lying about his weight as a way of explaining his performance increase. Lots of riders who have had a magic jump in performance have an outrageous cover story.

  5. Mansmind said:

    ...but there's no way to weight that accurately is there? He hasn't been the only cyclist to be Ferrari fueled, just the only one to win 7 TDF's with it.

    Actually from 1999 - 2005 Armstrong was the only cyclist who was Ferrari fueled at the Tour. Armstrong's contract with Dr. Ferrari forbade him from "training" any of Armstrong's Tour rivals. After Armstrong retired, new Ferrari clients like Landis and Vino had giant leaps in performance.

  6. Mansmind said:

    So the fact that another guy currently racing, and losing 8kg in weight enabling him to become more efficient in climbing.. is pure bull**** as well? I wasn't referencing the study specifically.. I was pointing out that physical changes in two different riders seem to have provided better performance, specifically in the mountains.

    Apologies, I thought it was a direct reference to Armstrong's "transformation".

  7. Mansmind said:

    Thanks for the info! Very interesting in that he APPEARS to have lost weight. I guess he just moved it around some. His upper torso appears much more lean to me post cancer.

    Also, the study involved Armstrong telephoning in his weight to Coyle. That's sort of a red flag.

  8. jimmypop said:

    Also, the study involved Armstrong telephoning in his weight to Coyle. That's sort of a red flag.

    Didn't it also involve data that "disappeared" and was no longer available for peer review?

  9. Mansmind said:

    He still appears much larger than "the chicken" though..at least to my memory. I used to wonder how Rass could even hold a bicycle up.. much less rotate the pedals up a mountain..without breaking a bone.

    He was a twig during his MTB days as well, and to see him duking it out in the dirt with the bulkier mountain bikers of the day was humorous. He's a decent bike handler, though you'd never know based on that horrendous TdF TT a few years back.

    No doubt, Ras was on jet fuel in those days as well.

  10. TheDarkLord said:

    Didn't it also involve data that "disappeared" and was no longer available for peer review?

    That was a revelation from last fall, I believe. Coyle has been discredited by his former peers based on this cluster**** of a "study".

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