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  1. In article 3f8277dd$1@darkstar said:
    Sonarrat .. said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I agree with Andy's attitude, strength is rarely the limiting factor in ITT.

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    Rarely, but in this case, I think it is. My lungs are three or four steps ahead of my legs.

    A) All this aero [censored] is well and good, but if I understand your level correctly, read
    bikerace.ahc.umn.edufirstrace.html

    B) You know your body better than I do. OTOH, riding a TT at a cadence of 80-90 or whatever means
    each leg is doing 80-90 reps a minute and of necessity, the force in each rep is much less
    then when you do leg presses or similar lifting exercises. That's why ultimate strength
    (e.g. how much you can press for 10 reps) in your legs is unlikely to be a limiter.

    We've probably all had the experience where you go for a long ride and towards the end, you
    struggle up a climb, your legs feeling heavy and screaming in pain even though your breathing
    doesn't seem hard. If I understand the physiology correctly, this is because you've worked your
    muscles to fatigue, and probably has something to do with recruiting and fatiguing fast-twitch
    muscles. But it doesn't really have much to do with ultimate strength; you (we) need more glycogen
    stores, not more muscle mass. Any real physiologists can feel free to correct me.

    There is a concept called "strength reserve". Basically, the lower the
    % of one's "ultimate strength" that is being used the better.

    -WG

  2. "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    In article 3f8277dd$1@darkstar said:
    Sonarrat .. said:

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote


    in

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    message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    > I agree with Andy's attitude, strength is rarely the limiting factor


    in

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    > ITT.

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    Rarely, but in this case, I think it is. My lungs are three or four


    steps

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    ahead of my legs.

    A) All this aero [censored] is well and good, but if I understand your level correctly, read
    bikerace.ahc.umn.edufirstrace.html

    B) You know your body better than I do. OTOH, riding a TT at a cadence of 80-90 or whatever
    means each leg is doing 80-90 reps a minute and of necessity, the force in each rep is much
    less then when you do leg presses or similar lifting exercises. That's why ultimate strength
    (e.g. how much you can press for 10 reps) in your legs is unlikely to be a limiter.

    We've probably all had the experience where you go for a long ride and towards the end, you
    struggle up a climb, your legs feeling heavy and screaming in pain even though your breathing
    doesn't seem hard. If I understand the physiology correctly, this is because you've worked your
    muscles to fatigue, and probably has something to do with recruiting and fatiguing fast-twitch
    muscles. But it doesn't really have much to do with ultimate strength; you (we) need more
    glycogen stores, not more muscle mass. Any real physiologists can feel free to correct me.

    There is a concept called "strength reserve". Basically, the lower the
    % of one's "ultimate strength" that is being used the better.

    Why?

    (Hint: please don't give me any answers based on studies of isometric contractions.)

    Andy Coggan

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Andy Coggan

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    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    In article <3f8277dd$1@darkstar>, Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We've probably all had the experience where you go for a long ride and towards the end, you
    struggle up a climb, your legs feeling heavy and screaming in pain even though your breathing
    doesn't seem hard. If I understand the physiology correctly, this is because you've worked
    your muscles to fatigue, and probably has something to do with recruiting and fatiguing
    fast-twitch muscles. But it doesn't really have much to do with ultimate strength; you (we)
    need more glycogen stores, not more muscle mass. Any real physiologists can feel free to
    correct me.

    There is a concept called "strength reserve". Basically, the lower the
    % of one's "ultimate strength" that is being used the better.

    Why?

    (Hint: please don't give me any answers based on studies of isometric contractions.)

    I don't care enough to look it up.

    -WG

  4. "Kraig Willett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Cd for a cyclist in the TT position is _around_ 0.7. Not 0.5 as is indicated at Tom's site. The
    product, CdA, is _typically_ in the 0.25 range.

    I can understand why it is done the way it is done at his site, but it


    does

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    lead to a bit of confusion, IMHO.

    This puts you at 400 watts for 30mph. Much better.

    Phil Holman

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    This puts you at 400 watts for 30mph. Much better.

    Much better is just what I would have had to have been to go that fast!

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    Kraig Willett www.biketechreview.com
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