Is it true?

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No.

If there is no blood flowing to your muscles when you aren't flexing them,
you are in some serious trouble pal.

Big Chris

Aziz said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

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Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

yes, hence everyone has huge penises.

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1107373006.841646.200790
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Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

I think you mean, would you have that pumped look if you merely flex your
muscles?

There used to be these "Night at the Roxburry" types that used to show up
at my gym and do a quick dumbell curl set of 20 to get themselves pumped
before going clubbing. I guess if you flex your muscles real quick for a
100 times, you'd get that pumped look, depending on how huyge your girlie
man arms are!

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Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of people
who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide additional
training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any way
and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread through
the day.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of people
who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide additional
training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any way
and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread through
the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting movement
visualization style than vice versa.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and
that
would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of
people
who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide
additional
training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any
way
and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread
through
the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting
movement
visualization style than vice versa.

I know of doing this only as it applies to lifting weights, which is why
I didn't mention anything about "sporting movement" - if you've got
something additional to share, please go ahead and do so, but do you
have to yell at me for posting something relevant based on what I happen
to know? And the OP asked about lifting weights, not about sports. And
where did I mention Pavel in this?

Harsh, dude, harsh.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and
> that
> would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of
people
who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide
additional
training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any
way
and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread
through
the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting
movement
visualization style than vice versa.

I know of doing this only as it applies to lifting weights, which is why
I didn't mention anything about "sporting movement" - if you've got
something additional to share, please go ahead and do so, but do you
have to yell at me for posting something relevant based on what I happen
to know? And the OP asked about lifting weights, not about sports. And
where did I mention Pavel in this?

Harsh, dude, harsh.

Yell? Harsh, mebbe. Wasn't my intent though. But not yelling. 'GTG' pretty
much takes it back to Pavel, I thought.

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable physiological effects
to visualization. As you note the effects are not large enough to create a
structural adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a neural
adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has nothing to do with GTG. But,
there you go.

Hobbes said:

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable
physiological effects to visualization. As you note the
effects are not large enough to create a structural
adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a
neural adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has
nothing to do with GTG. But, there you go.

[a] What type of esoterica is "GTG"?
[b] Yes, visualization does cause neural adaptation. In
fact, working only one limb can increase the strength of
the opposing limb simply from the cross-application of
neural learning. But no increase in structural adaptation.

In article <[email hidden]>, "JMW"

Quoted message said:

Hobbes said:

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable
physiological effects to visualization. As you note the
effects are not large enough to create a structural
adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a
neural adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has
nothing to do with GTG. But, there you go.

[a] What type of esoterica is "GTG"?

"Grease The Groove" - a Pavel T. term for frequent training in a few movements.

[quote="Quoted message"][b] Yes, visualization does cause neural adaptation. In
fact, working only one limb can increase the strength of
the opposing limb simply from the cross-application of
neural learning. But no increase in structural adaptation.[/quote]

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them
> > and
> > that
> > would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.
>
> No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of
> people
> who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide
> additional
> training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
> lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
> skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any
> way
> and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread
> through
> the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years
before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting
movement
visualization style than vice versa.

I know of doing this only as it applies to lifting weights, which is
why
I didn't mention anything about "sporting movement" - if you've got
something additional to share, please go ahead and do so, but do you
have to yell at me for posting something relevant based on what I
happen
to know? And the OP asked about lifting weights, not about sports.
And
where did I mention Pavel in this?

Harsh, dude, harsh.

Yell? Harsh, mebbe. Wasn't my intent though. But not yelling. 'GTG'
pretty
much takes it back to Pavel, I thought.

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable physiological
effects
to visualization. As you note the effects are not large enough to
create a
structural adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a
neural
adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has nothing to do with GTG.
But,
there you go.

I'm not talking about just visualizing - I don't know what you're
talking about specifically, since you're calling it "visualization."
I'm not talking about visualizing, e.g., a military press, I'm talking
about actually going through the motions of one and manufacturing the
muscle tension so that it takes as long and feels at least somewhat as
hard as the real thing. It's real lifting motions but without the
weights - but pretending you're holding the weights. When you say
"visualization", I take that to mean imaging the movement without
actually doing any of it, or maybe moving through the motions without
pretending you've got a heavy weight in your hands, neither of which is
what I'm talking about here.

As to "GTG", that's Pavel's term for frequent (a few to as many as 20 or
so times per day) sub-maximal training. If you'd prefer I call it
"frequent sub-maximal training," well, you're out of luck, my friend. 🙂
I see GTG used in lots of non-Pavel, non-DragonDoor places these days
and it's a fine short-hand for what we're talking about here. For
anyone interesting in reading Pavel's article on the subject, here you
go:

http://www.kbnj.com/gtg.htm

There's a link at the bottom of Pavel's article to Clarence Bass' site
where he talks about his experiences with GTG. And there are other
articles on the DragonDoor site about the same thing as well.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them
>> > and
>> > that
>> > would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.
>>
>> No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of
>> people
>> who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide
>> additional
>> training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
>> lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
>> skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any
>> way
>> and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread
>> through
>> the day.
>
> Dayum Steve.
>
> Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
> visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years
> before
> Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting
> movement
> visualization style than vice versa.

I know of doing this only as it applies to lifting weights, which is
why
I didn't mention anything about "sporting movement" - if you've got
something additional to share, please go ahead and do so, but do you
have to yell at me for posting something relevant based on what I
happen
to know? And the OP asked about lifting weights, not about sports.
And
where did I mention Pavel in this?

Harsh, dude, harsh.

Yell? Harsh, mebbe. Wasn't my intent though. But not yelling. 'GTG'
pretty
much takes it back to Pavel, I thought.

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable physiological
effects
to visualization. As you note the effects are not large enough to
create a
structural adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a
neural
adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has nothing to do with GTG.
But,
there you go.

I'm not talking about just visualizing - I don't know what you're
talking about specifically, since you're calling it "visualization."
I'm not talking about visualizing, e.g., a military press, I'm talking
about actually going through the motions of one and manufacturing the
muscle tension so that it takes as long and feels at least somewhat as
hard as the real thing. It's real lifting motions but without the
weights - but pretending you're holding the weights. When you say
"visualization", I take that to mean imaging the movement without
actually doing any of it, or maybe moving through the motions without
pretending you've got a heavy weight in your hands, neither of which is
what I'm talking about here.

Right. I was confused there.

Quoted message said:

As to "GTG", that's Pavel's term for frequent (a few to as many as 20 or
so times per day) sub-maximal training. If you'd prefer I call it
"frequent sub-maximal training," well, you're out of luck, my friend. 🙂
I see GTG used in lots of non-Pavel, non-DragonDoor places these days
and it's a fine short-hand for what we're talking about here. For
anyone interesting in reading Pavel's article on the subject, here you
go:

http://www.kbnj.com/gtg.htm

There's a link at the bottom of Pavel's article to Clarence Bass' site
where he talks about his experiences with GTG. And there are other
articles on the DragonDoor site about the same thing as well.

I've got the book, Steve.

Hobbes said:

JMW said:

Hobbes said:

Anyhow, I've already added it. There are measurable
physiological effects to visualization. As you note the
effects are not large enough to create a structural
adaptation, but it has been theorized they may create a
neural adaptation. A motor pattern. Which really has
nothing to do with GTG. But, there you go.

[a] What type of esoterica is "GTG"?

"Grease The Groove" - a Pavel T. term for frequent training
in a few movements.

Oh. I thought that was a term for foreplay.

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of

people

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide

additional

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any

way

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting

movement

Quoted message said:

visualization style than vice versa.

It's a religion and Steve is Pavel's prophet, dude. Haven't you read
the Kettlebell Bible?

The Past Testament
First Book of Apes,
called Kinesis

Chapter 4
1 The kettlebellers were gigantic
hairy beasts with infinitely
small brains and large appetites,
both for plants and each other.

2 Created by numerous accidents
of lifting kettlebells,
the kettlebellers managed
to become extinct, not by accident,
but by their own stupidity.

3 The kettlebellers spent all their time
visualizing their food,
and pretending to eat, while also
pretending to lift their kettlebells
and they soon starved stupidly to death.

4 When the kettlebellers became extinct,
bigger life-forms became dominant on the
planet's surface.

Chapter 5
1 These other bigger life forms
were hairy mammals, had warm blood
and small brains that were nevertheless
bigger then the brains of kettlebellers.
They were called Powerlifters.

To be continued.......

(disclaimer: Nyquil has strange effects on these fingers, and just
funning with ya, Steve.)

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Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of

people

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide

additional

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any

way

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting

movement

Quoted message said:

visualization style than vice versa.

It's a religion and Steve is Pavel's prophet, dude. Haven't you read
the Kettlebell Bible?

The Past Testament
First Book of Apes,
called Kinesis

Chapter 4
1 The kettlebellers were gigantic
hairy beasts with infinitely
small brains and large appetites,
both for plants and each other.

2 Created by numerous accidents
of lifting kettlebells,
the kettlebellers managed
to become extinct, not by accident,
but by their own stupidity.

3 The kettlebellers spent all their time
visualizing their food,
and pretending to eat, while also
pretending to lift their kettlebells
and they soon starved stupidly to death.

4 When the kettlebellers became extinct,
bigger life-forms became dominant on the
planet's surface.

Chapter 5
1 These other bigger life forms
were hairy mammals, had warm blood
and small brains that were nevertheless
bigger then the brains of kettlebellers.
They were called Powerlifters.

To be continued.......

(disclaimer: Nyquil has strange effects on these fingers, and just
funning with ya, Steve.)

Oh, Ye Of Little Faith!

🙂

Feel better, Elzi. Enjoy your Nyquil - I can't take the stuff.

Just in case you're bored, here's a link to Pavel's latest book, Beyond
Bodybuilding:

http://www.kbnj.com/bb.htm

Steve "the devil made me do it" Freides
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>,

elzinator said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

Quoted message said:

"Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.

No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of

people

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide

additional

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any

way

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread

through

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting

movement

Quoted message said:

visualization style than vice versa.

It's a religion and Steve is Pavel's prophet, dude. Haven't you read
the Kettlebell Bible?

The Past Testament
First Book of Apes,
called Kinesis

Chapter 4
1 The kettlebellers were gigantic
hairy beasts with infinitely
small brains and large appetites,
both for plants and each other.

2 Created by numerous accidents
of lifting kettlebells,
the kettlebellers managed
to become extinct, not by accident,
but by their own stupidity.

3 The kettlebellers spent all their time
visualizing their food,
and pretending to eat, while also
pretending to lift their kettlebells
and they soon starved stupidly to death.

4 When the kettlebellers became extinct,
bigger life-forms became dominant on the
planet's surface.

Chapter 5
1 These other bigger life forms
were hairy mammals, had warm blood
and small brains that were nevertheless
bigger then the brains of kettlebellers.
They were called Powerlifters.

To be continued.......

Ahhh! I see where you are going. Weightlifters being the apex of creation.

[sniff]

I'VE EVOLVED!!! HALLELUJAH!!

--
Keith

Steve Freides said:

Just in case you're bored, here's a link to Pavel's latest book, Beyond
Bodybuilding:

http://www.kbnj.com/bb.htm

Steve "the devil made me do it" Freides
http://www.kbnj.com

NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

elzinator said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Aziz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Is it true that if i flex my muscles blood would flow to them and

that

Quoted message said:

> > would would the same affect on muscles than if i lift weights.
>
> No, it is not the same thing, however studies have been done of

people

Quoted message said:

> who lift weights regularly and "pretend" lifting can provide

additional

Quoted message said:

> training benefit, but that's in _addition_ to a program of regular
> lifting, not _instead_ of one. The training benefit is of the
> skill/strength variety - it will not aid in building muscle in any

way

Quoted message said:

> and is usually done GTG style, a few short pretend lifts spread

through

Quoted message said:

> the day.

Dayum Steve.

Why does this always have to go back to Pavel? The premise for
visualization was developed 40 some years ago - about 35 years before
Pavel wrote his book. So GTG is actually done more in sporting

movement

Quoted message said:

visualization style than vice versa.

It's a religion and Steve is Pavel's prophet, dude. Haven't you read
the Kettlebell Bible?

The Past Testament
First Book of Apes,
called Kinesis

Chapter 4
1 The kettlebellers were gigantic
hairy beasts with infinitely
small brains and large appetites,
both for plants and each other.

2 Created by numerous accidents
of lifting kettlebells,
the kettlebellers managed
to become extinct, not by accident,
but by their own stupidity.

3 The kettlebellers spent all their time
visualizing their food,
and pretending to eat, while also
pretending to lift their kettlebells
and they soon starved stupidly to death.

4 When the kettlebellers became extinct,
bigger life-forms became dominant on the
planet's surface.

Chapter 5
1 These other bigger life forms
were hairy mammals, had warm blood
and small brains that were nevertheless
bigger then the brains of kettlebellers.
They were called Powerlifters.

To be continued.......

Ahhh! I see where you are going. Weightlifters being the apex of creation.

[sniff]

I'VE EVOLVED!!! HALLELUJAH!!

--
Keith

not even close dood.

you aren't NEARLY pretty enough yet

work on it

whit

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In article <[email hidden]>,
"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Chapter 5
1 These other bigger life forms
were hairy mammals, had warm blood
and small brains that were nevertheless
bigger then the brains of kettlebellers.
They were called Powerlifters.

To be continued.......

Ahhh! I see where you are going. Weightlifters being the apex of

creation.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[sniff]

I'VE EVOLVED!!! HALLELUJAH!!

--
Keith

not even close dood.

you aren't NEARLY pretty enough yet

work on it

He looks pretty damn pretty in a kilt. More than we can say for you.