Ideal Kitchen

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

1. Huge walk-in pantry, which also could house infrequently used
appliances.

2. Gas range with electric oven--if no gas, then high-quality induction
stove, which I gather exist in other countries.

3. Vast expanses of DEEP counter space.

4. Enough space for ALL of my cookbooks--and for additions to my
collection of same.

5. Big fireplace with Dutch oven, probably almost exclusively for
aesthetic purposes. (Of course, that would entail another house, since
that just wouldn't be right in a contemporary house! A more practical
final choice might be a logical place to put the freezer, although I
suppose those trips down to the basement constitute minor exercise. <g>😉

In the meantime, I am intrigued with the thought of getting stand-alone
pieces of furniture instead of built-in cabinets....

As for the center drain, I like the idea of having those in bathrooms.
Have thought that since I lived in Japan.

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Jean B.

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 08:31:28a, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

Is your email address correct.? If it is, I'll email you the invite to
view the picts he put up on yahoo photos. .. and let you know when he
adds the oven pict.

If your email address is munged, email it to me and I'll send the
invite.

Debra

I'm looking forward to your pictures!

Yes, it's a munged address. This one will work...

wayneboatwright at msn dot com

Thanks!

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On Fri 01 Jul 2005 08:31:28a, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

Is your email address correct.? If it is, I'll email you the invite to
view the picts he put up on yahoo photos. .. and let you know when he
adds the oven pict.

If your email address is munged, email it to me and I'll send the
invite.

Debra

I'm looking forward to your pictures!

Yes, it's a munged address. This one will work...

wayneboatwright at msn dot com

Thanks!

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____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

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Dave W. said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas! ;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

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May I ask what is a Luddite? I've never heard that term before and
I'm just curious......Sharon

Oh, its somebody who has a technological phobia, in a way. They are
suspicious and distrustful of the new, non-traditional, ways of using
technology. The older I get, the more I lean toward Ludditism, or so it
seems to me. Here's my first hit on Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Very 19th century I am. Sort of .... didn't used to be this way.

Regards,
Dave W.

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4. Enough space for ALL of my cookbooks--and for additions to my
collection of same.

That's the one every kitchen designer always seems to forget;
I wound up adding a small bookshelf to the kitchen when our
current house was built, and now wish it was at least twice the
size it is.

Some other ideas:

1. I'm surprised, given this group, that no one has yet mentioned
a good place for a PC with a DSL or similar high-speed connection
(and I mean something that was really INTENDED to be occupied
by a PC, not just finding someplace to stuff one into the kitchen).
Have the machine itself tucked away in a well-cooled niche in
the pantry, but have a fold-down LCD screen under a cabinet
somewhere and a "spillproofed" keyboard tucked away in its
own drawer. Ideal for grabbing those recipes or ordering things
off the web! This set up could also bring music and video
into the kitchen as well...

2. Much better lighting. I've added (as an afterthought)
under-cabinet lighting to the last two kitchens - if there's a next
one in my future, this gets designed in from the start, along with
more (and more conveniently placed) outlets.

3. A big, built-in (removable for cleaning, naturally) cutting
board located next to one of the sinks, with knife storage
conveniently located with respect to this area.

4. Better storage for those not-all-THAT-often-used-but-still-
essential appliances that you just don't want to keep on the
counters (and those "garage" sorts of things still take up what
could otherwise be usable counter space). I'm just not sure
of the best way to address this problem. (I have this fantasy
of some 007-like gadgetry, in which food processors and such
pop up out of the countertops or descend from the ceiling, all
at a touch of my combination wristwatch/remote control/death
ray/bread knife...:-))

Bob M.

1. First I want my Chambers stove back ! Barring that, I'll take a good
gas stove with either six burners, or four burners plus a
griddle/broiler combo the Chambers had. An insulated well for soups and
stews would be nice.

2. Two ovens, one with a rotisserie and one with a convection fan. Both
need to be large enough to fit the largest of Turkeys (myself and other
human Turkeys excluded)

3. A second twin-tub prep sink near the stove, with a water faucet that
reaches the stove

4. Huge amounts of cabinet/pantry and prep space, the prep areas
leaning ever so slightly towards the sink, so when things spill, they
tend to flow towards the sink instead of the floor.

5 Direct access to both the outside grill and the dinning room. If I
get my wish, this would include both walkways and a window to each with
a large shelf area for each "window".

6. (I'm cheating, so yes, 6) A fridge big enough to hold a marinating
pork loin, several large prepared dishes, and all the other stuff I
keep in there. However, your reasonable funds phrase probably puts that
well in the realm of fantasy. Maybe I can get one of the stoves that
also have cooling functions. That way I could leave the pork loin in
the oven. Invariably, I'd try to put a salad or such in with it, and
when the timer said to cook the pork, it would also toast my salad. But
I'll suffer, if I have to <g>.

Dean G.

Bob Myers said:

"Jean B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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4. Enough space for ALL of my cookbooks--and for additions to my
collection of same.

That's the one every kitchen designer always seems to forget;
I wound up adding a small bookshelf to the kitchen when our
current house was built, and now wish it was at least twice the
size it is.

Some other ideas:

1. I'm surprised, given this group, that no one has yet mentioned
a good place for a PC with a DSL or similar high-speed connection
(and I mean something that was really INTENDED to be occupied
by a PC, not just finding someplace to stuff one into the kitchen).
Have the machine itself tucked away in a well-cooled niche in
the pantry, but have a fold-down LCD screen under a cabinet
somewhere and a "spillproofed" keyboard tucked away in its
own drawer. Ideal for grabbing those recipes or ordering things
off the web! This set up could also bring music and video
into the kitchen as well...

You would think so, but I've seen on TV different products to do those
things and there has to be a reason they haven't taken off. I have
WiFi and a Thinkpad and there aren't that many times I want to type
while my hands are covered with flour etc. Recipes? I'm not a
luddite but I like my cookbooks. I don't even want a TV in the
kitchen, it interferes with my reverie or other thoughts while I cook
or clean up. I guess I'm not so good at multitasking!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 08:31:28a, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

My son came home as I was trying to send you the invite and informed
me he **had** taken a photo of the ovens, and that **I** failed to
upload it. He uploaded it for me so now it's there.. and you'l be
able to see that entire side of the new kitchen.

If anyone else would like to see the pictures, let me know.

Debra

Dave W. said:

In article said:

Dave W. said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas! ;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

May I ask what is a Luddite? I've never heard that term before and
I'm just curious......Sharon

Oh, its somebody who has a technological phobia, in a way. They are
suspicious and distrustful of the new, non-traditional, ways of using
technology. The older I get, the more I lean toward Ludditism, or so it
seems to me. Here's my first hit on Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Very 19th century I am. Sort of .... didn't used to be this way.

Regards,
Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

Thanks for the reply....I'm all for traditional ways...sometimes
things happening today really seem a slippery slope...like cloning
frinstance...Hope I didn't tread on anyones toes here.... And I still
don't want a mechanical dishwasher, and don't own a food processor...a
chopper for bread crumbs is about as adventurous as I get. I like to
chop things on a board with my knife. I do like kitchen gadgets thougn
and own a foreman type grill and a GTexpress ....lol..... And I
couldn't survive the summer without my a/c
Sharon

"Dave W." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article said:

Dave W. said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas!
;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

May I ask what is a Luddite? I've never heard that term before and
I'm just curious......Sharon

Oh, its somebody who has a technological phobia, in a way. They are
suspicious and distrustful of the new, non-traditional, ways of using
technology. The older I get, the more I lean toward Ludditism, or so it
seems to me. Here's my first hit on Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Very 19th century I am. Sort of .... didn't used to be this way.

Regards,
Dave W.

Dave, with me, getting along in years and helping to take care of my f-i-l
in an assisted living, a lot of people think I qualify to live there, too;
and indeed I do. A woman in her early 50's seeing me use a cell phone asked
me how I liked it, etc. I realized in a minute or so that she was old-people
pampering me. A day or so later a cousin in his 50's re my husband who uses
a cell phone and my husband not getting his message, remarked about my
husband trying to be hi-tech, but not really able to retrieve the messages.
I told him that we were both like hi-tech and he sort of smirked/sneared,
but in a nice way, being sort of a Luddite person.
I only regret that I did not have in my earlier years, DVD recorders,
computers, digital camera, mP3, cell phones with multiple uses, HDTV, music
on demand, etc etc. I love it, but I also like minimalism,
simple-mindedness, etc. -- go figure how the mind works.
Dee

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Thu 30 Jun 2005 08:39:16p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wood cook stove
Walk in hearth with bread ovens built in to the sides
Wide plank wood work table
Enormous walk in pantry/scullery
Porch kitchen for canning, etc., without getting the kitchen hot in the
summer.

Sounds like a 1905 kitchen!

I was thinking more 1899, but close enough!

chula

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 02:31:31p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Thu 30 Jun 2005 08:39:16p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wood cook stove
Walk in hearth with bread ovens built in to the sides
Wide plank wood work table
Enormous walk in pantry/scullery
Porch kitchen for canning, etc., without getting the kitchen hot in
the summer.

Sounds like a 1905 kitchen!

I was thinking more 1899, but close enough!

chula

I guess it depends on where. In rural America, even beyond 1905 you would
probably find the same items. "Modern" conveniences would have only made
their way to the big cities.

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On Fri 01 Jul 2005 12:53:46p, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 08:31:28a, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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On 1 Jul 2005 10:08:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

My son came home as I was trying to send you the invite and informed
me he **had** taken a photo of the ovens, and that **I** failed to
upload it. He uploaded it for me so now it's there.. and you'l be
able to see that entire side of the new kitchen.

If anyone else would like to see the pictures, let me know.

Debra

Thanks, Debra. I'll be looking as soon as I get home from work.

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Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

More counter and cabinet space (with a better layout)
Decent cooker and hood
'Cool room' for fermenting kimchi, sauerkraut, sourdoughs and storing
decent cheese etc
More electrical outlets (and a better circuit)
A walk-in fridge and similar freezer (LOL now that's real fantasy)

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 03:50:19p, Arri London wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen
what would be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor
could be hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

More counter and cabinet space (with a better layout)
Decent cooker and hood
'Cool room' for fermenting kimchi, sauerkraut, sourdoughs and storing
decent cheese etc
More electrical outlets (and a better circuit)
A walk-in fridge and similar freezer (LOL now that's real fantasy)

So what temperature does one keep a "cool room" for those purposes? I like
the idea. One could probably accomplish this fairly easily with a through
the wall air conditioner in a well-insulated room.

As a mechanical/electrical engineer, my dad spent much of his career
designing custom refrigeration and cooling systems that ranged in size from
meat lockers to refrigerated sound stages in Hollywood. He was also
involved in cooling systems for early computer rooms and systems. In our
oldest home we had an 8' x 10' walk-in freezer in the basement and a 4' x
6' walk-in refrigerator in our kitchen. Both were a great place to visit
in the summer, even though we had early generation central air. This was
in the early to mid-fifties.

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My partner has an expensive, new dishwasher that was put in as part of a
complete kitchen remodel. Still leaves streaks of detergent and the
random bit of food. No, thanks. I'd rather do it myself.

serene

Also it sounds like the water heater isn't hot enough. There should never
be steaks of detergent. I have had a lot of different grades of dishwashers
and that has never happened.

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On Fri 01 Jul 2005 12:53:46p, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 01 Jul 2005 08:31:28a, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 1 Jul 2005 10:08:59 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Sounds wonderful! Pictures?
>
> Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will
> get
> him to add that soon..

My son came home as I was trying to send you the invite and informed
me he **had** taken a photo of the ovens, and that **I** failed to
upload it. He uploaded it for me so now it's there.. and you'l be
able to see that entire side of the new kitchen.

If anyone else would like to see the pictures, let me know.

Debra

Yes please Debra

Ophelia

On Thu 30 Jun 2005 10:12:58p, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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I actually got to do mine last year. I couldn't have *everything*, but
I got all the stuff that was on the top of my list.

Custom cabinets..and no lower cabinets..evrything below the counter is
all drawers..except for one cabinet that has a pull out trash
container.

A double door 5 shelf ( all pull-outs) appliance cupboard.

One double upper cabinet with vertical separators so I can slide in
cutting boards, cookie sheets, roasting pans,etc.

Granite counter tops

5 burner gas cook top with high btu burners and simmer burners

Double ovens - electric/convection

An appliance garage that holds stuff I use frequently, but want out of
sight

A lazy susan lower corner cabinet with 2 large shelves that I just
spin around till I find what I want.

Stainless steel appliances

An island!!! with 6 drawers

A ton of usable storage space

Ceramic tile floors

Ceramic tile back splash with a tile mural behind the cook top

Recessed lighting

A 14" round skylight

Debra

Debra, I've had a chance to see your pictures and your kitchen is
absolutely beautiful. No wonder you're proud of it! You obviously spent a
lot of time and thought in planning the layout and work areas, and it must
be a dream to cook in. I love the colors of the cabinet wood and granite
together, and they're perfectly complimented by the stainless steel. The
pull out pantries are a great idea, as is the appliance garage! It
certainly doesn't look like you left anything out!

Happy cooking...

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Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

I got the chance to do this when we built our house. We decided to spend
the money on the kitchen up front 'cos it's cheaper than redoing it later.

1. High end gas cooktop with downdraft vent (we have cathedral ceilings)
2. Top of the line double wall oven with convection in at least one oven
3. High quality, energy efficient dishwasher
4. Solid surface counter tops with routed out drainboard by the sink
5. Sink mounted *under* the countertop do discourage leaks when doing
dishes
6. Lots and lots of cupboards
7. Huge, and I mean huge, pantry

🙂

--
Siobhan Perricone
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I
thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the
terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved
them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe."
- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"

Wayne Boatwright said:

Debra, I've had a chance to see your pictures and your kitchen is
absolutely beautiful. No wonder you're proud of it! You obviously spent a
lot of time and thought in planning the layout and work areas, and it must
be a dream to cook in. I love the colors of the cabinet wood and granite
together, and they're perfectly complimented by the stainless steel. The
pull out pantries are a great idea, as is the appliance garage! It
certainly doesn't look like you left anything out!

Happy cooking...

Thank you. I spent 9 months figuring out what I wanted, and what space
would allow.

My biggest surprise was leaning I could have custom cabinets for the
same price as the Home Depot stuff. The cabinet maker used every inch
of space to give me what I wanted and there are no "spacers" in the
design.

Debra