Ideal Kitchen

Curly Sue said:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:04:30 -0700, [email hidden] (serene)

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kilikini said:

A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

Quoted message said:

A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand.

Then you don't have a very good dishwasher or something is wrong with
the setup. A good dishwasher will clean dishes better than can be
done by hand, with less water.

My partner has an expensive, new dishwasher that was put in as part of a
complete kitchen remodel. Still leaves streaks of detergent and the
random bit of food. No, thanks. I'd rather do it myself.

serene

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:43:22 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

I actually got to do mine last year. I couldn't have *everything*, but
I got all the stuff that was on the top of my list.

Custom cabinets..and no lower cabinets..evrything below the counter is
all drawers..except for one cabinet that has a pull out trash
container.

A double door 5 shelf ( all pull-outs) appliance cupboard.

One double upper cabinet with vertical separators so I can slide in
cutting boards, cookie sheets, roasting pans,etc.

Granite counter tops

5 burner gas cook top with high btu burners and simmer burners

Double ovens - electric/convection

An appliance garage that holds stuff I use frequently, but want out of
sight

A lazy susan lower corner cabinet with 2 large shelves that I just
spin around till I find what I want.

Stainless steel appliances

An island!!! with 6 drawers

A ton of usable storage space

Ceramic tile floors

Ceramic tile back splash with a tile mural behind the cook top

Recessed lighting

A 14" round skylight

Debra

On Thu 30 Jun 2005 10:12:58p, Debra Fritz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:43:22 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what
would be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor
could be hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

I actually got to do mine last year. I couldn't have *everything*, but
I got all the stuff that was on the top of my list.

Custom cabinets..and no lower cabinets..evrything below the counter is
all drawers..except for one cabinet that has a pull out trash
container.

A double door 5 shelf ( all pull-outs) appliance cupboard.

One double upper cabinet with vertical separators so I can slide in
cutting boards, cookie sheets, roasting pans,etc.

Granite counter tops

5 burner gas cook top with high btu burners and simmer burners

Double ovens - electric/convection

An appliance garage that holds stuff I use frequently, but want out of
sight

A lazy susan lower corner cabinet with 2 large shelves that I just
spin around till I find what I want.

Stainless steel appliances

An island!!! with 6 drawers

A ton of usable storage space

Ceramic tile floors

Ceramic tile back splash with a tile mural behind the cook top

Recessed lighting

A 14" round skylight

Debra

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Thu 30 Jun 2005 08:39:16p, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wood cook stove
Walk in hearth with bread ovens built in to the sides
Wide plank wood work table
Enormous walk in pantry/scullery
Porch kitchen for canning, etc., without getting the kitchen hot in
the summer.

Sounds like a 1905 kitchen!

They knew how to cook back then, Wayne 🙂

Jill

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

1. Granite counter tops. Currently they are tile with granite inlay.
I odn't like cleaning the grout.

2. Larger fridge

3. Rearrange space so that stove isn't on a peninsula

That's about it. I like my kitchen - big and lots of natural light.
You can see pics of it here:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/usenetlyn/my_photos

-L.

-L. said:

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen
what would be your top 5 wishes?

1. Granite counter tops. Currently they are tile with granite inlay.
I odn't like cleaning the grout.

2. Larger fridge

3. Rearrange space so that stove isn't on a peninsula

That's about it. I like my kitchen - big and lots of natural light.
You can see pics of it here:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/usenetlyn/my_photos

-L.

Nice kitchen! And I love the archways.

Jill

jmcquown said:

Nice kitchen! And I love the archways.

Jill

Oh, thanks! That's our little breakfast nook off the kitchen. The
house was redone in 2000 and he added a lot of archways - 8 altogether,
I think.

-L.

"Dimitri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

Just in the process of dessigning my dream kitchen!
My top 5 wishes (that I am going to realize) are:
1. A huge walk-in pantry.
2. A build-in fireplace with grill and rotating split (big enough for
a lamb)
3. A huge amount of workspace including a huge double sink and lots of
power outlets.
4. A proffesional 6-burner gasstove with two ovens + an extra
high-mounted oven.
5. Completely tiled (floor and walls) the floor with natural slate (a
non-skid surface).

serene said:

Curly Sue said:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:04:30 -0700, [email hidden] (serene)

Quoted message said:

kilikini <[email hidden]> wrote:

> A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

> A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand.

Then you don't have a very good dishwasher or something is wrong with
the setup. A good dishwasher will clean dishes better than can be
done by hand, with less water.

My partner has an expensive, new dishwasher that was put in as part of a
complete kitchen remodel. Still leaves streaks of detergent and the
random bit of food. No, thanks. I'd rather do it myself.

Just because it is expensive and new doesn't mean it is functioning
correctly.

Sandi

In article <[email hidden]>,

(serene) said:

kilikini said:

A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

My wife has a disposal and I thought I'd like one also. But since we put
a compost bin in he back yard the disposal is used seldom, if at all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand. I wouldn't
object to having someone around who would hand-wash all the dishes,
though. :-)

serene

My wife has a dishwasher and I think her dishes come out as clean as
mine. But she seems to spend about as much time, maybe even more,
"prepping" and loading the dishwasher as I spend hand washing my dishes.
I tend to wash my pots and pans as I finish using them and move dirty
dishes straight from the table into the hot soapy water waiting in the
sink. Fifteen minutes, or certainly less than a half hour, after a meal
my pots and pans and dishes are clean and put away.

If I invite people over, it takes longer. But my guests always help with
the chores. Else I won't invite them again. ;^)

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas! ;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

I like the way you think Dimitri,
I would expand upon that drain in the floor
idea and make the whole kitchen stainless steel,
Then you could stand back and take your high
pressure hose to the whole thing. Now THAT
is a kitchen I could love.

Sara

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

Quoted message said:

I like the way you think Dimitri,
I would expand upon that drain in the floor
idea and make the whole kitchen stainless steel,
Then you could stand back and take your high
pressure hose to the whole thing. Now THAT
is a kitchen I could love.

Sara

Slippery to walk on though, don't you think? Rubber soles required.

Jill

Quoted message said:

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen
what would be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the
floor could be hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:38:53 -0700, [email hidden] (serene)

Quoted message said:

Curly Sue said:

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:04:30 -0700, [email hidden] (serene)

Quoted message said:

kilikini <[email hidden]> wrote:

> A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

> A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand.

Then you don't have a very good dishwasher or something is wrong with
the setup. A good dishwasher will clean dishes better than can be
done by hand, with less water.

My partner has an expensive, new dishwasher that was put in as part of a
complete kitchen remodel. Still leaves streaks of detergent and the
random bit of food. No, thanks. I'd rather do it myself.

serene

Something is wrong. What if you bought an air conditioner and it
didn't cool the room properly? Would you say that ACs don't work?
Wouldn't you investigate the situation or complain to the store?
Maybe the outlet of the dishwasher is plugged or there isn't enough
pressure.

Paying for an expensive machine and then not using it only because
it's not working properly is a waste. But if you enjoy doing dishes
by hand, and a lot of people do, then that's the real story.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Wayne Boatwright said:

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

Is your email address correct.? If it is, I'll email you the invite to
view the picts he put up on yahoo photos. .. and let you know when he
adds the oven pict.

If your email address is munged, email it to me and I'll send the
invite.

Debra

Wayne Boatwright said:

Sounds wonderful! Pictures?

Yes..my son took some but forgot to take the double ovens. I will get
him to add that soon..

Is your email address correct.? If it is, I'll email you the invite to
view the picts he put up on yahoo photos. .. and let you know when he
adds the oven pict.

If your email address is munged, email it to me and I'll send the
invite.

Debra

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what
would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could
be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

1. A gas line on our street so we could have
2. A gas cooktop with an almost commercial wok cooker, and
3. A built in grill with vented hood

The topography of our yard makes having LP gas tanks for a range
impractical (terraced yard; kitchen end of house is practically up
against a steep cliff, making access difficult).

4. A separate counter area for my baking operation
5. A separate counter with plumbing for the SO's coffee/espresso
operation

All five of these wishes would require turning the family room into an
extension of the kitchen: Ripping up the carpet and putting in more
appropriate flooring; extending the existing countertops and adding
cabinets below (without blocking the picture window); and rearranging
the heating duct work, since the remaining walls have bookcases and a
fireplace against/in them. We might need to get our landlord's
permission for all this ;-)

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what
would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could
be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

1. A gas line on our street so we could have
2. A gas cooktop with an almost commercial wok cooker, and
3. A built in grill with vented hood

The topography of our yard makes having LP gas tanks for a range
impractical (terraced yard; kitchen end of house is practically up
against a steep cliff, making access difficult).

4. A separate counter area for my baking operation
5. A separate counter with plumbing for the SO's coffee/espresso
operation

All five of these wishes would require turning the family room into an
extension of the kitchen: Ripping up the carpet and putting in more
appropriate flooring; extending the existing countertops and adding
cabinets below (without blocking the picture window); and rearranging
the heating duct work, since the remaining walls have bookcases and a
fireplace against/in them. We might need to get our landlord's
permission for all this ;-)

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

Dave W. said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(serene) said:

kilikini said:

A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

My wife has a disposal and I thought I'd like one also. But since we put
a compost bin in he back yard the disposal is used seldom, if at all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand. I wouldn't
object to having someone around who would hand-wash all the dishes,
though. :-)

serene

My wife has a dishwasher and I think her dishes come out as clean as
mine. But she seems to spend about as much time, maybe even more,
"prepping" and loading the dishwasher as I spend hand washing my dishes.
I tend to wash my pots and pans as I finish using them and move dirty
dishes straight from the table into the hot soapy water waiting in the
sink. Fifteen minutes, or certainly less than a half hour, after a meal
my pots and pans and dishes are clean and put away.

If I invite people over, it takes longer. But my guests always help with
the chores. Else I won't invite them again. ;^)

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas! ;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

May I ask what is a Luddite? I've never heard that term before and
I'm just curious......Sharon

Dave W. said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(serene) said:

kilikini said:

A double sink with a DISPOSAL.

Yeah, a disposal would be good, though I've gotten used to putting food
scraps in the compost bucket.

My wife has a disposal and I thought I'd like one also. But since we put
a compost bin in he back yard the disposal is used seldom, if at all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A dishwasher - not me!

I don't like the way dishes come out of the dishwasher still looking
like they need to be washed, so I prefer to do them by hand. I wouldn't
object to having someone around who would hand-wash all the dishes,
though. :-)

serene

My wife has a dishwasher and I think her dishes come out as clean as
mine. But she seems to spend about as much time, maybe even more,
"prepping" and loading the dishwasher as I spend hand washing my dishes.
I tend to wash my pots and pans as I finish using them and move dirty
dishes straight from the table into the hot soapy water waiting in the
sink. Fifteen minutes, or certainly less than a half hour, after a meal
my pots and pans and dishes are clean and put away.

If I invite people over, it takes longer. But my guests always help with
the chores. Else I won't invite them again. ;^)

Of course, being a Luddite, I'm biased. I enjoy washing dishes. Let me
qualify that .... I enjoy washing MY dishes, so don't get any ideas! ;^)

Got to go now ... I've got dishes to wash.

Regards,
Dave W.

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

Regardless of what doesn't happen, there's always someone who knew it wouldn't.
R. Henry

May I ask what is a Luddite? I've never heard that term before and
I'm just curious......Sharon

Dimitri said:

All this remodeling of kitchens got me thinking.

Assuming you had the funds (reasonable amount) to redo your kitchen what would
be your top 5 wishes?

Mine are:

1. A tile floor and a drain in the center of the floor so the floor could be
hosed out.
2. An almost commercial wok cooker.
3. A high quality built in grill with vented hood.
4. A temp controlled wine closet
5. A walk-in Pantry.

Yours?

Dimitri

1. Huge walk-in pantry, which also could house infrequently used
appliances.

2. Gas range with electric oven--if no gas, then high-quality induction
stove, which I gather exist in other countries.

3. Vast expanses of DEEP counter space.

4. Enough space for ALL of my cookbooks--and for additions to my
collection of same.

5. Big fireplace with Dutch oven, probably almost exclusively for
aesthetic purposes. (Of course, that would entail another house, since
that just wouldn't be right in a contemporary house! A more practical
final choice might be a logical place to put the freezer, although I
suppose those trips down to the basement constitute minor exercise. <g>😉

In the meantime, I am intrigued with the thought of getting stand-alone
pieces of furniture instead of built-in cabinets....

As for the center drain, I like the idea of having those in bathrooms.
Have thought that since I lived in Japan.

--
Jean B.