I need some help

Sullen said:

i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat
in an average day?
what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

No breakfast or a couple ounces of cheese - just not a breakfast person.

Lunch - typically grilled half chicken (El Pollo Loco four piece chicken
only no sides no tortillas large diet Coke for here please!)

Dinner - typically grilled salmon, chicken, or occasional steak, with
caesar salad and broccoli, often a grilled or boiled shrimp appetizer.

Snacks - I love cheese, but try to keep it to max 4oz/day. Olives are a
great snack for me. If I'm actually hungry at night I usually nuke a
package of brussels sprouts w/butter.

My mainstay substitution for lunch/dinner is an entree chicken caesar
salad - that's the thing I can count on getting almost anywhere, without
having to worry too much about carby ingredients. Probably half those
lunch/dinner choices are actually salads, most of them chicken caesar.

That's just the backbone of my diet - if I'm out with friends or feel like
something else there's no problem incorporating other food, so there's
actually a lot more variety than it sounds. I average ~1300 calories/day,
about 20g carbs all from vegetables. I've lost 85 lbs since last August,
and am about 40 from goal.

KeS

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i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat
in an average day?
what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

=============================
While stirct LCing I had bacon, sausage patties or eggs for breakfast.
Pretty greasy fare actually when there's no bread to go with it. Coffee
w/milk and Sweet & Low.

Lunch was usually another meal of mainly some kind of meat or eggs (boiled
or fried), with a side dish of raw mushrooms and sliced cucumber or celery
sticks. Yes I like celery. Sometimes a slice or two of tomato (a bit
carby). Sometimes canned fish instead of meat (canned mackerel, tuna or
salmon) or cheese. When I was away from the house a hamburger without the
bun and salad which I never liked. I'm just no salad eater so didn't enjoy
that very much. Or I'd order a baked fish plate and tell them to hold the
"fries." Some restaurants in my area now have low-carb lunch plates. Some
days lunch was 2 hard boiled eggs and celery sticks. Herbal tea w/Sweet &
Low. Some days lunch was more (cold leftover) sausages or bacon. I didn't
always have time to cook my lunch.

Dinner was always heavy on meat, fish or chicken and low carb veggies. The
veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower, broccoli,
summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note thought
that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I had
to depend on meat to keep from being hungry all the time.

The things I gave up from my normal diet were: Bagels, whole wheat bread,
rice dishes, potatoes, peas, pasta dishes, corn, lima beans, all "dry"
beans, all cereals such as Quaker Oats, Fiber One which I love. Giving up
the occasional "treat" such as a piece of pie or potato chips was no
hardship. I lost 46 lbs the first 5 months, then hit a permanent plateau.
I then gave up nuts, cheese, caffinated coffee & diet soda. By the end of
the 2 year plateau there was nothing left to give up but the meat and
veggies..... I gave up the diet instead and switched to Weight Watcher LC.

Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for
many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower, broccoli,
summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note thought
that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I had

....says the person complaining that she couldn't eat more than 3/4 cup of
them...

KeS

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i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you eat
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what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

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veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower,

broccoli,

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summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note

thought

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that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not filling. I

had

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...says the person complaining that she couldn't eat more than 3/4 cup of
them...

=========================
Did I say I ate 2 or 3 or 4 cups of them per sitting? Where? Sure I can
eat maybe 2 cups if I don't eat anything else for dinner. A lot of people
on this NG seem to keep confusing posters. I wonder why that is?
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

i love you JC.

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Quoted message said:

i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of
you eat in an average day?
what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

=============================
While stirct LCing I had bacon, sausage patties or eggs for breakfast.
Pretty greasy fare actually when there's no bread to go with it.
Coffee w/milk and Sweet & Low.

Lunch was usually another meal of mainly some kind of meat or eggs
(boiled or fried), with a side dish of raw mushrooms and sliced
cucumber or celery sticks. Yes I like celery. Sometimes a slice or
two of tomato (a bit carby). Sometimes canned fish instead of meat
(canned mackerel, tuna or salmon) or cheese. When I was away from
the house a hamburger without the bun and salad which I never liked.
I'm just no salad eater so didn't enjoy that very much. Or I'd order
a baked fish plate and tell them to hold the "fries." Some
restaurants in my area now have low-carb lunch plates. Some days
lunch was 2 hard boiled eggs and celery sticks. Herbal tea w/Sweet &
Low. Some days lunch was more (cold leftover) sausages or bacon. I
didn't always have time to cook my lunch.

Dinner was always heavy on meat, fish or chicken and low carb
veggies. The veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans,
cauliflower, broccoli, summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all
types of greens. Note thought that these low-carb veggies may be
healthy but they are not filling. I had to depend on meat to keep
from being hungry all the time.

3 cups of broccoli is not filling? I thought you couldn't eat that much.

I told you you ate too much meat and not enough veggies. 🙂

And what's wrong with a little hunger?

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The things I gave up from my normal diet were: Bagels, whole wheat
bread, rice dishes, potatoes, peas, pasta dishes, corn, lima beans,
all "dry" beans, all cereals such as Quaker Oats, Fiber One which I
love. Giving up the occasional "treat" such as a piece of pie or
potato chips was no hardship. I lost 46 lbs the first 5 months, then
hit a permanent plateau. I then gave up nuts, cheese, caffinated
coffee & diet soda. By the end of the 2 year plateau there was
nothing left to give up but the meat and veggies..... I gave up the
diet instead and switched to Weight Watcher LC.

You were just eating too much of everything. That's why you had to give up
everything you loved...you loved everything and pigged out on everything.

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Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet
for many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.

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veggies we ate the most were string and wax beans, cauliflower,

broccoli,

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summer squash, asparagus, mushrooms and all types of greens. Note

thought

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that these low-carb veggies may be healthy but they are not
filling. I

had

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...says the person complaining that she couldn't eat more than 3/4
cup of them...

=========================
Did I say I ate 2 or 3 or 4 cups of them per sitting? Where? Sure I
can eat maybe 2 cups if I don't eat anything else for dinner. A lot
of people on this NG seem to keep confusing posters. I wonder why
that is?

🙂

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mon ami, its not a lack of knowing how.. its a lack of giving a [censored].

Tia, you need to start quoting the posts to which you are responding --
I have NO idea to whom you are speaking or what you are talking about
because there is no context other than the subject line. Once I read a
post, it's marked read and disappears, so I'm not looking at a long
thread unless I haven't read it yet or I feel like putting in the effort
of Googling it.

--
Saffire
205/144/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for
many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"

um, the point is to be restricted, isnt it? fix the imbalance and all that?
i find it interesting that you say not to believe everything in his books?
what exactly do you disagree with, and furthermore, what credentials do you
have that can substantiate that suspicion? im very curious to what you
think isnt valid... as far as ive been experimenting with atkins over the
past 82lbs and few years, he seems to have a very valid point. the science
behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on. the theory
about sugar and starches being allergies versus just other foods was dead
on. the idea that 15000 years ago we killed it, cooked it and ate it made a
lot of sense... and looking back through history it seems the man is right;
this is the richest we as humans have ever eaten, with sugars and refined
products...its no wonder we're all in a state of panic with the diabetic
epidemic in this country. please, let me know what exactly you speak of, id
like to do a bit of thinking on the topic.

-tia

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Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet for
many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"

um, the point is to be restricted, isnt it? fix the imbalance and all

that?

# Ummm,... have you read the Atkins books? What imbalance? Not everyone
who is overweight got there gobbling cake and chips floating in cheese sauce
or stuffing sugar laden donuts down their throats. There are several of us
on these NG who developed a weight problem due to other medical conditions.
We were otherwise thin to average all our lives.

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i find it interesting that you say not to believe everything in his books?

# Well, why should I? He's not God. Not everyone reaches goal weight
following the simple advice to eat all those chops, steaks, gravies, salads
etc. and give up the cakes, pies, rice and other carby foods. I didn't get
the impression from his book that his is a vegetarian type of diet either.
Please read chapter #1 of his "New Diet Revolution" book. However, I see
that seems to be the case here with a lot of posters. They're very heavy on
veggies and salads. A word on salads. Some of us DESPISE salad. Even as
a kid I hated it and would not eat it although I loved all veggies and all
fruit. Part of the problem is some people dislike salad dressings and/or
vinegar so eat it plain, or with some cheese sprinkled over it. It's still
tasteless to us. I personally can't eat one more salad.

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what exactly do you disagree with, and furthermore, what credentials do

you

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have that can substantiate that suspicion?

# What do YOU agree with in his books and why? What credentials do you
have to substantiate it's validity? If it worked and we all reached our
goal weight on salads, some veggies and all those meats he advises obesity
would be a thing of the past. Too many hit these plateaus and that's that!
Then it's on to the calorie counting, measuring......

im very curious to what you

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think isnt valid...

# Tell us about all those SUMPTUOUS steaks, chops and gravies he talks
about..... and not having to count calories, how you can eat MORE then
before you started his diet and watch the fat melt off.

as far as ive been experimenting with atkins over the

Quoted message said:

past 82lbs and few years, he seems to have a very valid point.

# Until you no longer lose weight on his plan. And at some point that seems
to happen to most people - UNLESS they drop the plan and start counting
calories, weighing and measuring everything they eat, becoming near
vegetarians, keeping tract - just like any other low calorie diet.
Everyone I knew who tried these low-carb diets did indeed lose weight, some
a lot of weight, but then the "stall" or plateau hits - like running into a
brick wall.

the science

Quoted message said:

behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.

# I never said sugar wasn't bad for people. Natural sugars in things like
fruit are not harmful.

the theory

Quoted message said:

about sugar and starches being allergies versus just other foods was dead
on.

# I didn't say it wasn't. I agree that donuts, breads, cookies, greasy
fries and other garbage is just that - garbage! It's not anatural food for
human beings no more than a bowl of oatmeal would be for a dog or cat.

the idea that 15000 years ago we killed it, cooked it and ate it made a

Quoted message said:

lot of sense...

# I didn't say it didn't make sense, did I? I *DID* say at some point the
Atkins diet becomes like all other diets where calories must be counted and
food weighed and measured. I never mentioned sugar and trash-foods. Also
from what I learned about human evolution man was mainly a vegetarian BEFORE
he became a hunter gatherer. Going back before we learned to hunt and kill
we (and our teeth prove it) were eaters of fruit, nuts, berries, seeds,
roots/tubers, greens and probably insects, small lizards and bird's eggs.
Our teeth show they did not evolve for shearing meats. Look at a dog's or
cat's teeth for a good comparison.

and looking back through history it seems the man is right;

Quoted message said:

this is the richest we as humans have ever eaten, with sugars and refined
products...its no wonder we're all in a state of panic with the diabetic
epidemic in this country.

# I am not diabetic and was never on a high "sugar" diet so I can't relate
to that. Here again, what kind of diet were diabetics on when they
developed their disease? Every diabetic I know personally (adult onset)
was overweight and *ALL* were fond of high carb foods! Do you know any
who weren't?

please, let me know what exactly you speak of, id

Quoted message said:

like to do a bit of thinking on the topic.

# Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I didn't
have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were not a part of
my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - then when you STOP
losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start
counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

Wysong *~ P@P said:

# Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I
didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were
not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly -
then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets
- you have to start counting calories, weighing and measuring your
food. THAT was my point.

There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively (all the
way to goal) who don't count calories. They show up right here in this ng
all of the time. You just have to ask.

I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety issues,
but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There are other
issues that trigger attacks in play, but I will say they have been cut down
dramatically due to cutting out the sugar and refined carbs.

--
Lisa
208/146.5/140-145
High weight in 2004: 228
Low-carb since June 2004
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.. the science

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behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.

yea yea yea, im using OE now. i was using google before.

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Now there's an honest answer if ever I heard one! :-))
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Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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Atkins does become a restricted, portion controlled low calorie diet
for
many people. Don't believe everything you've read in his books.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"

um, the point is to be restricted, isnt it? fix the imbalance and all

that?

# Ummm,... have you read the Atkins books? What imbalance? Not everyone
who is overweight got there gobbling cake and chips floating in cheese
sauce
or stuffing sugar laden donuts down their throats. There are several of
us
on these NG who developed a weight problem due to other medical
conditions.
We were otherwise thin to average all our lives.

Quoted message said:

i find it interesting that you say not to believe everything in his
books?

# Well, why should I? He's not God. Not everyone reaches goal weight
following the simple advice to eat all those chops, steaks, gravies,
salads
etc. and give up the cakes, pies, rice and other carby foods. I didn't
get
the impression from his book that his is a vegetarian type of diet either.
Please read chapter #1 of his "New Diet Revolution" book. However, I see
that seems to be the case here with a lot of posters. They're very heavy
on
veggies and salads. A word on salads. Some of us DESPISE salad. Even
as
a kid I hated it and would not eat it although I loved all veggies and all
fruit. Part of the problem is some people dislike salad dressings and/or
vinegar so eat it plain, or with some cheese sprinkled over it. It's
still
tasteless to us. I personally can't eat one more salad.

Quoted message said:

what exactly do you disagree with, and furthermore, what credentials do

you

Quoted message said:

have that can substantiate that suspicion?

# What do YOU agree with in his books and why? What credentials do you
have to substantiate it's validity? If it worked and we all reached our
goal weight on salads, some veggies and all those meats he advises obesity
would be a thing of the past. Too many hit these plateaus and that's
that!
Then it's on to the calorie counting, measuring......

im very curious to what you

Quoted message said:

think isnt valid...

# Tell us about all those SUMPTUOUS steaks, chops and gravies he talks
about..... and not having to count calories, how you can eat MORE then
before you started his diet and watch the fat melt off.

as far as ive been experimenting with atkins over the

Quoted message said:

past 82lbs and few years, he seems to have a very valid point.

# Until you no longer lose weight on his plan. And at some point that
seems
to happen to most people - UNLESS they drop the plan and start counting
calories, weighing and measuring everything they eat, becoming near
vegetarians, keeping tract - just like any other low calorie diet.
Everyone I knew who tried these low-carb diets did indeed lose weight,
some
a lot of weight, but then the "stall" or plateau hits - like running into
a
brick wall.

the science

Quoted message said:

behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.

# I never said sugar wasn't bad for people. Natural sugars in things like
fruit are not harmful.

the theory

Quoted message said:

about sugar and starches being allergies versus just other foods was dead
on.

# I didn't say it wasn't. I agree that donuts, breads, cookies, greasy
fries and other garbage is just that - garbage! It's not anatural food
for
human beings no more than a bowl of oatmeal would be for a dog or cat.

the idea that 15000 years ago we killed it, cooked it and ate it made a

Quoted message said:

lot of sense...

# I didn't say it didn't make sense, did I? I *DID* say at some point
the
Atkins diet becomes like all other diets where calories must be counted
and
food weighed and measured. I never mentioned sugar and trash-foods.
Also
from what I learned about human evolution man was mainly a vegetarian
BEFORE
he became a hunter gatherer. Going back before we learned to hunt and
kill
we (and our teeth prove it) were eaters of fruit, nuts, berries, seeds,
roots/tubers, greens and probably insects, small lizards and bird's eggs.
Our teeth show they did not evolve for shearing meats. Look at a dog's or
cat's teeth for a good comparison.

and looking back through history it seems the man is right;

Quoted message said:

this is the richest we as humans have ever eaten, with sugars and
refined
products...its no wonder we're all in a state of panic with the diabetic
epidemic in this country.

# I am not diabetic and was never on a high "sugar" diet so I can't relate
to that. Here again, what kind of diet were diabetics on when they
developed their disease? Every diabetic I know personally (adult onset)
was overweight and *ALL* were fond of high carb foods! Do you know any
who weren't?

please, let me know what exactly you speak of, id

Quoted message said:

like to do a bit of thinking on the topic.

# Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I didn't
have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were not a part
of
my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - then when you STOP
losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start
counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

honestly, i wish i had the time today to reply to you in the fashion that
you're expecting. the one thing you probably didnt get from his book was
the idea of stasis... (yes i have read it, 5 times this year alone as well
as looking stuff up etc, and over the past few years)

you claim that eventually you wont lose weight on atkins.. that is true,
youre not the only one to say that. its like the scales of justice when you
balance out the carbs and the proteins. eventually they will even out,
where the body can maintain with what youre eating -- which by the way is
the goal everyone's body has - stasis. once you hit stasis you have to make
a choice... force your body out of stasis by either making it work harder or
you eat less. i suspect that youre blaming the diet and not exercising
enough (obviously because youre complaining of stasis) only because you
mention eventually you have to eat less and less to lose weight and its all
a low cal diet... well i can promise you this much, people that run 5 miles
a day arent fat. as a matter of fact, i havent seen a distance runner that
was. why? because their bodies are working much harder than ours to stay
in this stasis, and they keep forcing their bodies out of it - therefore
whatever they eat - trash or not, their bodies are desperately trying to use
it for fuel.

step up the exercise before you criticize the man. if you ever lost weight
on his plan, he wasnt wrong. if it never worked, thats one thing. stasis
is a hard concept, but you can keep the same level of eating if you just
step up the workout.

good luck, love 🙂

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Wysong *~ P@P said:

# Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I
didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were
not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly -
then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets
- you have to start counting calories, weighing and measuring your
food. THAT was my point.

===================

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There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively (all the
way to goal) who don't count calories.

## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure and in
the end end up on low-calorie diets.

They show up right here in this ng

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all of the time. You just have to ask.

## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I see.........
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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# Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I

didn't

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have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they were not a part
of
my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight quickly - then when you

STOP

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losing the weight, it becomes like all other diets - you have to start
counting calories, weighing and measuring your food. THAT was my point.

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honestly, i wish i had the time today to reply to you in the fashion that
you're expecting. the one thing you probably didnt get from his book was
the idea of stasis... (yes i have read it, 5 times this year alone as well
as looking stuff up etc, and over the past few years)

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you claim that eventually you wont lose weight on atkins..

## I know some people lose all the way to goal. But many do not! How many
on this NG alone have reached goal without having to count, measure or
weight their foods - or switch to mainly a diet of mostly low-carb veggies?
I see some of the same people here that were here 3 years ago still TRYING
to lose weight. Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups
and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-)

that is true,

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youre not the only one to say that. its like the scales of justice when

you

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balance out the carbs and the proteins. eventually they will even out,
where the body can maintain with what youre eating -- which by the way is
the goal everyone's body has - stasis.

## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my
calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as I
mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly - the
heart palpitations.

once you hit stasis you have to make

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a choice... force your body out of stasis by either making it work harder

or

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you eat less. i suspect that youre blaming the diet and not exercising
enough (obviously because youre complaining of stasis) only because you
mention eventually you have to eat less and less to lose weight and its

all

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a low cal diet...

## What choice have I got? To consume enough fiber I must eat large
amounts of veggies at the cost of meat and fat. I can only hold so much
food. What was left for me to give up? The veggies or the meat/fat?

well i can promise you this much, people that run 5 miles

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a day arent fat. as a matter of fact, i havent seen a distance runner

that

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was. why? because their bodies are working much harder than ours to stay
in this stasis, and they keep forcing their bodies out of it - therefore
whatever they eat - trash or not, their bodies are desperately trying to

use

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it for fuel.

## I wish I could run 5 miles a day. In fact maintaining is not a problem
from me, never was - getting the damn lard off is the problem.

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step up the exercise before you criticize the man.

## Where in Atkins book does it say one must exercise for many hours a day?
Or must jog for miles and miles? I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus
all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I
could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on diet at
all. No one would need be on a diet.

if you ever lost weight

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on his plan, he wasnt wrong.

## He was WRONG in not telling people the diet would or could stop at any
time, (and it does for so many people) which would necessitate a switch to
an almost vegetarian low cal diet, or one would have to start to exercise in
excess of 3 miles a day! Also, as the NYTimes online paper pointed out - at
the end of a year the low carbers lost as much weight as people on other
diets. Dropout rates were similar.

if it never worked, thats one thing. stasis

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is a hard concept,

## No it isn't. It's an easy concept to understand.

but you can keep the same level of eating if you just

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step up the workout.

## 3 miles is about my limit on the treadmill unless I win the Lottery and
can hire household and yard help. :-) How many others on this NG are
exercising at all?

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good luck, love 🙂

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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