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  1. X-No-Archive: yes

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    FFS EXERCIZE! force your goddamn body out of stasis lol... you dont have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    quit eating, but get up the goddamn couch!


    -====================
    How many times I do have to REPEAT that I not only do all the house and yard
    work (1 acre) but I also walk between 1.5 and 3 miles a day on a 4% grade
    at 3 to 3.2 MPH? How many times ita? Maybe YOU need to get off your ass,
    off your computer and exercise more!
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  2. im not the one complaining that im not losing weight. in fact, when im not
    sitting in hospitals, i run with my husband, who is active duty military.
    it works.

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    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    X-No-Archive: yes

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    FFS EXERCIZE! force your goddamn body out of stasis lol... you dont have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    quit eating, but get up the goddamn couch!


    -====================
    How many times I do have to REPEAT that I not only do all the house and
    yard
    work (1 acre) but I also walk between 1.5 and 3 miles a day on a 4% grade
    at 3 to 3.2 MPH? How many times ita? Maybe YOU need to get off your
    ass,
    off your computer and exercise more!
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  3. oh..and you repeated it in a few posts, all in the same go around, i guess,
    cuz ive been reading your posts with vim and vigor and havent heard about it
    until now. dont forget, im prolly a week old to this ng.

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    X-No-Archive: yes

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    FFS EXERCIZE! force your goddamn body out of stasis lol... you dont have


    to

    Quoted message said:

    quit eating, but get up the goddamn couch!


    -====================
    How many times I do have to REPEAT that I not only do all the house and
    yard
    work (1 acre) but I also walk between 1.5 and 3 miles a day on a 4% grade
    at 3 to 3.2 MPH? How many times ita? Maybe YOU need to get off your
    ass,
    off your computer and exercise more!
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  4. I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid
    situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing in
    front of people. That alone can screw around with brain chemicals and blood
    sugar levels which in turn can cause an attack.

    I think the most uncomfortable attacks I've had are nocturnal...where right
    before I drift off, I'll have an attack, or wake up in the middle of the
    night, having one.

    Look for books written by the late Claire Weeks. Very informational,
    explains the mechanics of a panic attack.

    I hope your stresses lift soon.

    Lisa

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do they
    last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... its
    nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks 🙁

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    "Lisa" <name_at_place_dot_whatever> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety
    issues, but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There are
    other issues that trigger attacks in play, but I will say they have been
    cut down dramatically due to cutting out the sugar and refined carbs.

    --
    Lisa
    208/146.5/140-145
    High weight in 2004: 228
    Low-carb since June 2004
    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    >
    >


    . the science

    Quoted message said:

    behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.

  5. Wysong *~ P@P said:

    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Wysong *~ P@P said:

    # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I
    didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they
    were not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight
    quickly - then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like
    all other diets - you have to start counting calories, weighing
    and measuring your food. THAT was my point.


    ===================

    Quoted message said:

    There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively
    (all the way to goal) who don't count calories.

    ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure
    and in the end end up on low-calorie diets.

    For some, when weight loss stop, they just start eating less, so it never
    becomes necessary to count calories.
    For others, they like to track stuff, so they count calories without ever
    really needing to. They find it interesting to track stuff.

    Quoted message said:


    They show up right here in this ng

    Quoted message said:

    all of the time. You just have to ask.

    ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I
    see.........

    Stop deluding yourself. People don't post just to prove something to you.

  6. "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups
    and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-)

    As if that's a bad thing?! Get a grip.

    Quoted message said:

    ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my
    calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as I
    mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly - the
    heart palpitations.

    As I've said to you before (with zero response), your so-called starvation
    symptoms sound more like hypoglycemia to me. BTDT, cured it with a low-carb
    diet. Realize, Wysong, that many people have a somewhat deranged endocrine
    system and even though not diabetic, do not handle carbohydrates well, in
    that their characteristic hormonal milieau (insulin dominant) does not allow
    them to effectively use their fat and protein stores as an energy source. So
    when they cut way back on food, they go all hypo. Heart rate abnormalities
    and palpitations are common when your body overproduces "stress hormones"
    like adreneline, which it typically does in the face of low or rapidly
    dropping blood sugar.

    The cure usually involves cutting way back on carbs, especially stuff like
    that brown sugar and all those carby foods you have been craving. And for
    many, this adaptation doesn't happen quickly. I continue to recommend to you
    that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a low-carb
    diet, among other things.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus
    all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I
    could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on diet


    at

    Quoted message said:

    all. No one would need be on a diet.

    None of what you are doing is anywhere near high-intensity. You don't need
    to put in tons of mileage if you do something higher intensity. Maybe you
    can't run 5 miles, but you could probably work up to some short sprints
    during your daily mile or three. Or do some steep hills, or use a
    stairstepper. Crank up the incline to the max on your treadmill. More
    importantly, learn to do some serious weight lifting. It's great for older
    folks, both for keeping the metabolism reved and for halting bone mineral
    loss.

    Note: All this has been recommended to you before, but you never comment.
    Just keep complaining, and complaining. One would think you just want to do
    what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the
    results you want.

    HG.

  7. "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do


    they

    Quoted message said:

    last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before.... its
    nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks 🙁

    Tia, there are oodles of folks who are/were on this ng who had panic
    attacks. Me included. Almost everybody has reported either complete
    remission of symptoms, or definite improvement. Mine appear to have been
    related to hypoglycemia, which LC controls very nicely. Not that your doctor
    will ever tell you this, as he pumps you full of pills... lol!

    Yes, it was hell. Only those who have been through a series of full-blown
    panic attacks can understand. I'm so glad it worked for you, too.

    HG

  8. "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    One would think you just want to do

    Quoted message said:

    what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the
    results you want.

    HG.

    maybe shes lonely and this gives her something to talk about?

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

  9. "Lisa" <lbondativnetdotcom> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid
    situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing
    in front of people. That alone can screw around with brain chemicals and
    blood sugar levels which in turn can cause an attack.

    yup -- exactly. my husband and i take turns telling each other to breathe -
    we both forget.

    Quoted message said:


    I think the most uncomfortable attacks I've had are nocturnal...where
    right before I drift off, I'll have an attack, or wake up in the middle of
    the night, having one.


    thank god i havent been woken up to one. usually when im away from whatever
    stressor at night, its at least enough to get a few breaths in. i would,
    however, grind my teeth a lot. that would wake up my husband... and at
    night theyre worse for him as far as frequency. once i quit the
    anxiety/antidepressants (paxil) oddly enough i quit grinding ;/

    Quoted message said:

    Look for books written by the late Claire Weeks. Very informational,
    explains the mechanics of a panic attack.

    I hope your stresses lift soon.

    Lisa

    thanks for the advice. i think my mom recommended that author before, as
    she too was suffering from this [censored] for years. people that dont have them
    just cant possibly understand. i hope things go well for you too, its nice
    having somebody that i really know can comprehend how i feel.

    -tia

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    Quoted message said:

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do
    they last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did before....
    its nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks 🙁

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    "Lisa" <name_at_place_dot_whatever> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety
    issues, but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There are
    other issues that trigger attacks in play, but I will say they have been
    cut down dramatically due to cutting out the sugar and refined carbs.

    --
    Lisa
    208/146.5/140-145
    High weight in 2004: 228
    Low-carb since June 2004
    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    >>
    . the science
    > behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.

  10. "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yes, it was hell. Only those who have been through a series of full-blown
    panic attacks can understand. I'm so glad it worked for you, too.

    HG


    im *really* sorry you had to go thru them too. mom was telling me for years
    it was sugar. so for years i didnt eat candy or chocolate...... sigh. heh.
    i found a special breathing technique that let me not react to them but it
    didnt stop in frequency until i found lc. now i get the adrenaline, just no
    attack... well... if i do its not like before or as long. im glad youre
    over them too.

    tia

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    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

  11. FFS

    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Lisa" <lbondativnetdotcom> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've discovered that I tend to hold my breath a lot..I mean in stupid
    situations like washing dishes, or typing out a lot of email, or writing
    in front of people. That alone can screw around with brain chemicals and
    blood sugar levels which in turn can cause an attack.

    yup -- exactly. my husband and i take turns telling each other to
    breathe - we both forget.

    Quoted message said:


    I think the most uncomfortable attacks I've had are nocturnal...where
    right before I drift off, I'll have an attack, or wake up in the middle
    of the night, having one.


    thank god i havent been woken up to one. usually when im away from
    whatever stressor at night, its at least enough to get a few breaths in.
    i would, however, grind my teeth a lot. that would wake up my husband...
    and at night theyre worse for him as far as frequency. once i quit the
    anxiety/antidepressants (paxil) oddly enough i quit grinding ;/

    Quoted message said:

    Look for books written by the late Claire Weeks. Very informational,
    explains the mechanics of a panic attack.

    I hope your stresses lift soon.

    Lisa

    thanks for the advice. i think my mom recommended that author before, as
    she too was suffering from this [censored] for years. people that dont have
    them just cant possibly understand. i hope things go well for you too,
    its nice having somebody that i really know can comprehend how i feel.

    -tia

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    Quoted message said:

    "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i have panic when i have very stressful things going on, but rarely do
    they last as long as they did before.. or come on like they did
    before.... its nice to know somebody else knows the hell of panic attacks
    🙁

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    "Lisa" <name_at_place_dot_whatever> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >I have found this to be almost true in my case. Still have anxiety
    >issues, but very rarely will I have a full blown panic attack. There
    >are other issues that trigger attacks in play, but I will say they have
    >been cut down dramatically due to cutting out the sugar and refined
    >carbs.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Lisa
    > 208/146.5/140-145
    > High weight in 2004: 228
    > Low-carb since June 2004
    > "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> >
    >>>
    > . the science
    >> behind sugar causing all my panic attacks was extremely dead on.
    >
    >

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    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Wysong *~ P@P said:

    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wysong *~ <P@P> wrote:
    > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my case I
    > didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc as they
    > were not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight
    > quickly - then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like
    > all other diets - you have to start counting calories, weighing
    > and measuring your food. THAT was my point.


    ===================

    Quoted message said:

    There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively
    (all the way to goal) who don't count calories.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure
    and in the end end up on low-calorie diets.

    Quoted message said:

    For some, when weight loss stop, they just start eating less, so it never
    becomes necessary to count calories.

    $$ Same difference - whether you count calories or keep cutting back and
    cutting back. You both end up on a low calorie diet in the end.

    Quoted message said:

    For others, they like to track stuff, so they count calories without ever
    really needing to. They find it interesting to track stuff.

    $$ I noticed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They show up right here in this ng

    Quoted message said:

    all of the time. You just have to ask.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ## And so do the others but they're quickly silenced now I
    see.........

    Quoted message said:

    Stop deluding yourself. People don't post just to prove something to you.

    $$ That's not what I said.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  13. "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups
    and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-)

    As if that's a bad thing?! Get a grip.

    $$ Did I say it was a BAD thing? How many other diets don't include
    veggies? Most even include fruit.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my
    calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself, as


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly -


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    heart palpitations.

    Quoted message said:

    As I've said to you before (with zero response), your so-called starvation
    symptoms sound more like hypoglycemia to me. BTDT, cured it with a


    low-carb

    Quoted message said:

    diet. Realize, Wysong, that many people have a somewhat deranged endocrine
    system and even though not diabetic, do not handle carbohydrates well, in
    that their characteristic hormonal milieau (insulin dominant) does not


    allow

    Quoted message said:

    them to effectively use their fat and protein stores as an energy source.


    So

    Quoted message said:

    when they cut way back on food, they go all hypo.

    $$ That's possible, but I can't run down to the clinic when this happens
    for blood work. My bi-yearly blood work is always normal.

    Heart rate abnormalities

    Quoted message said:

    and palpitations are common when your body overproduces "stress hormones"
    like adreneline, which it typically does in the face of low or rapidly
    dropping blood sugar.

    $$ Of course it would rapidly DROP on the low-carb diet I was on for 1 1/2
    years.

    Quoted message said:

    The cure usually involves cutting way back on carbs, especially stuff like
    that brown sugar and all those carby foods you have been craving.

    $$ I didn't use brown sugar at that time. I was on the LC diet. So you
    believe when someone likes a food it's a CRAVING? You must have missed many
    of my posts.

    And for

    Quoted message said:

    many, this adaptation doesn't happen quickly. I continue to recommend to


    you

    Quoted message said:

    that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a low-carb
    diet, among other things.

    $$ Dr's contradict each other all the time. I don't take any of them as
    gospel truths.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus
    all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If I
    could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on


    diet

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    all. No one would need be on a diet.

    Quoted message said:

    None of what you are doing is anywhere near high-intensity. You don't need
    to put in tons of mileage if you do something higher intensity. Maybe you
    can't run 5 miles, but you could probably work up to some short sprints
    during your daily mile or three.

    $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and
    HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints
    and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting
    farther and farther away from the Atkins diet.

    Or do some steep hills, or use a

    Quoted message said:

    stairstepper. Crank up the incline to the max on your treadmill. More
    importantly, learn to do some serious weight lifting. It's great for older
    folks, both for keeping the metabolism reved and for halting bone mineral
    loss.

    $$ Is that what everyone here is doing to lose on a LC diet? Is that what
    the Atkins foundation now recommends? What about those of us who already
    tried that [censored] and lost nothing? I went to the gym in town, despised
    over minute I was there and lost 1 lb those 6 months. I hate going to the
    gym. It's far from my house, it's expensive, they blare heavy rock music,
    and the place smells like a dirty locker room. Not thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Note: All this has been recommended to you before, but you never comment.

    $$ Because the rest of you never comment on what I write! You don't seem
    to SEE what I write and I get tired of answering the same questions and
    comments over and over again. How many of you are going to gyms, running
    miles a day, eating high veggie diets - to lose weight on Atkins? To lose
    those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per
    day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting etc.?

    Quoted message said:

    Just keep complaining, and complaining. One would think you just want to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the
    results you want.

    $$ One would think I should do everything you people suggest like before -
    with no results. You missed those posts too? You tell me how long a senior
    is going to last with all this intensive expertise, strength training,
    running on 1000 to 1200 calories a day? LCing no less, trying to do it on
    fat and protein. What qualifies you to give someone my age that kind of
    advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for
    seniors in the Atkins book.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  14. $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and
    HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints
    and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting
    farther and farther away from the Atkins diet.

    [censored].

    if youre not exercizing, you're not doing atkins. read the OTHER half of
    the book. people are doing what they have to so they get out of stasis...;p

    --
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    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    "Hannah Gruen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    Surely you didn't miss all the posts about cups and cups
    and cups of broccoli and other veggies. :-)

    As if that's a bad thing?! Get a grip.

    $$ Did I say it was a BAD thing? How many other diets don't include
    veggies? Most even include fruit.

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    ## Of course I understand that, and to now lose weight I must drop my
    calories so much I start to suffer the symptoms of starvation itself,
    as


    I

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    mentioned several time already. One of those symptoms can be deadly -


    the

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    heart palpitations.

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    As I've said to you before (with zero response), your so-called
    starvation
    symptoms sound more like hypoglycemia to me. BTDT, cured it with a


    low-carb

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    diet. Realize, Wysong, that many people have a somewhat deranged
    endocrine
    system and even though not diabetic, do not handle carbohydrates well, in
    that their characteristic hormonal milieau (insulin dominant) does not


    allow

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    them to effectively use their fat and protein stores as an energy source.


    So

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    when they cut way back on food, they go all hypo.

    $$ That's possible, but I can't run down to the clinic when this happens
    for blood work. My bi-yearly blood work is always normal.

    Heart rate abnormalities

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    and palpitations are common when your body overproduces "stress hormones"
    like adreneline, which it typically does in the face of low or rapidly
    dropping blood sugar.

    $$ Of course it would rapidly DROP on the low-carb diet I was on for 1 1/2
    years.

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    The cure usually involves cutting way back on carbs, especially stuff
    like
    that brown sugar and all those carby foods you have been craving.

    $$ I didn't use brown sugar at that time. I was on the LC diet. So you
    believe when someone likes a food it's a CRAVING? You must have missed
    many
    of my posts.

    And for

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    many, this adaptation doesn't happen quickly. I continue to recommend to


    you

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    that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a
    low-carb
    diet, among other things.

    $$ Dr's contradict each other all the time. I don't take any of them as
    gospel truths.

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    I'm doing 1.5 to 3 miles a day now plus
    all the house work, shopping, cleaning..... what more can I do? If
    I
    could jog 5 miles a day like a young person I wouldn't need to be on


    diet

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    at

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    all. No one would need be on a diet.

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    None of what you are doing is anywhere near high-intensity. You don't
    need
    to put in tons of mileage if you do something higher intensity. Maybe you
    can't run 5 miles, but you could probably work up to some short sprints
    during your daily mile or three.

    $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and
    HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints
    and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting
    farther and farther away from the Atkins diet.

    Or do some steep hills, or use a

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    stairstepper. Crank up the incline to the max on your treadmill. More
    importantly, learn to do some serious weight lifting. It's great for
    older
    folks, both for keeping the metabolism reved and for halting bone mineral
    loss.

    $$ Is that what everyone here is doing to lose on a LC diet? Is that
    what
    the Atkins foundation now recommends? What about those of us who already
    tried that [censored] and lost nothing? I went to the gym in town, despised
    over minute I was there and lost 1 lb those 6 months. I hate going to the
    gym. It's far from my house, it's expensive, they blare heavy rock music,
    and the place smells like a dirty locker room. Not thanks.

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    Note: All this has been recommended to you before, but you never comment.

    $$ Because the rest of you never comment on what I write! You don't
    seem
    to SEE what I write and I get tired of answering the same questions and
    comments over and over again. How many of you are going to gyms, running
    miles a day, eating high veggie diets - to lose weight on Atkins? To
    lose
    those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per
    day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting
    etc.?

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    Just keep complaining, and complaining. One would think you just want to


    do

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    what you want to do and then complain about why you aren't getting the
    results you want.

    $$ One would think I should do everything you people suggest like
    before -
    with no results. You missed those posts too? You tell me how long a
    senior
    is going to last with all this intensive expertise, strength training,
    running on 1000 to 1200 calories a day? LCing no less, trying to do it on
    fat and protein. What qualifies you to give someone my age that kind of
    advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for
    seniors in the Atkins book.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  15. Wysong *~ P@P said:

    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wysong *~ P@P said:

    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Wysong *~ <P@P> wrote:
    > > # Please see above. At first following the low-carb (in my
    > > case I didn't have to give up pies, cookies, fries, donuts etc
    > > as they
    > > were not a part of my normal diet) almost everyone loses weight
    > > quickly - then when you STOP losing the weight, it becomes like
    > > all other diets - you have to start counting calories, weighing
    > > and measuring your food. THAT was my point.
    ===================
    > There are plenty of people who manage to lose weight effectively
    > (all the way to goal) who don't count calories.

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    ## And there are plenty of people who must start to count, measure
    and in the end end up on low-calorie diets.

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    For some, when weight loss stop, they just start eating less, so it
    never becomes necessary to count calories.

    $$ Same difference - whether you count calories or keep cutting back
    and cutting back. You both end up on a low calorie diet in the end.

    No one loses weight without cutting calories. And a low-calorie diet is
    relative to the dieter.

  16. yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate to
    cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm trying
    to break.

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    Did you read the FAQ?

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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    i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you
    eat in an average day?
    what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

  17. i totally agree, sullen. i personally love cooking, but despise dishes.
    plus, its oftentimes difficult to always get the fresh ingredients (not to
    mention expensive) and its so much easier to just go prepacked or fast these
    days....

    i do want to mention that i can barely afford to eat this way at times.
    another reason im eating very infrequently -- we just plain cant afford it
    very well. while its horrible for you, a weeks worth of pasta is a few
    dollars... heh. a weeks worth of protein and fresh veggies - considerably
    higher

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    yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate
    to cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm
    trying to break.

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Did you read the FAQ?

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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    Quoted message said:

    i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you
    eat in an average day?
    what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

  18. "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    $$ That's possible, but I can't run down to the clinic when this happens
    for blood work. My bi-yearly blood work is always normal.

    Hmmm... yep, I see a decided lack of interest in actually improving your
    situation. Wysong, it's likely that it is specifically the types of foods
    you were eating while eating very low calorie that were causing your
    problems. You're very likely insulin resistant to some degree. When you
    dropped calories way down, your body was still producing too much insulin,
    instead of going glucagon-dominant enough to be able to live comfortably off
    your meager meals and body fat. People with well-functioning endocrine
    systems will adapt to a very low calorie diet after a few days and won't
    experience the symptoms you described, at least not for a long while when
    they deplete body reserves and actual starvation sets in. People on low-carb
    diets often approximate that condition by cutting way back on the foods that
    stimulate insulin production, so that they are better able to utilize fat
    reserves. It also allows them to do that without a lot of discomfort.

    It wouldn't help you that much to run to the clinic, as many if not most low
    blood sugar symptoms (in non-insulin dependent folks) are related as much to
    rapidity of drop of blood glucose as to the actual glucose concentration in
    the blood. Clinics aren't well equipped to evaluate that. The best approach
    is to experiment with your diet. I don't know that you have either the
    motivation or mindset to do that, however.

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    $$ Of course it would rapidly DROP on the low-carb diet I was on for 1 1/2
    years.

    Actually, Wysong, a low-carb diet typically stabilizes low blood sugar
    symptoms for most people (as it does high blood sugar ie. diabetes for many
    NIDDM patients). It rarely causes or worsens reactive hypoglycemia, usually
    quite the opposite.

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    that you read Dr. Schwarzbein, an endocrinologist who advocates a


    low-carb

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    diet, among other things.

    $$ Dr's contradict each other all the time. I don't take any of them as
    gospel truths.

    Oh Gawd! You really do NOT want help, do you? Fine, stay fat and miserable
    as you are, just keep it somewhere else than asdl-c, 'kay?

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    $$ Geeze, so now it's becoming a low-carb, low-calorie, high-veggie and
    HIGH INTENSITY exercise diet. Is everyone on the NG doing these sprints
    and/or running several miles a day to lose weight? It sure is getting
    farther and farther away from the Atkins diet.

    Well, sure, it's nice to go for a little 1--2 mile amble, maybe even a brisk
    walk, and think you've got your exercise in. But most people need to stress
    their systems with exercise a bit more to get full benefit. They put real
    geriatric men and women on a little weight lifting program and the benefits
    to them, even those in their 70's, 80's were phenomenal. Far more than if
    they'd just shuffled a mile or so. But... if you don't wanna, you won't get
    the benefits. It's completely up to you.

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    $$ Is that what everyone here is doing to lose on a LC diet? Is that


    what

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    the Atkins foundation now recommends? What about those of us who already
    tried that [censored] and lost nothing? I went to the gym in town, despised
    over minute I was there and lost 1 lb those 6 months. I hate going to the
    gym. It's far from my house, it's expensive, they blare heavy rock music,
    and the place smells like a dirty locker room. Not thanks.

    Most people (not all) who get to their goal weight do exercise. Exercise is
    quite important in increasing insulin sensitivity, too, so is pretty
    important for the folks who are insulin resistant.

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    $$ Because the rest of you never comment on what I write!

    Bwahahahahah. Get a freakin grip! You get more comments than anyone else
    here! I'll admit there are probably more than a few who tired of your bs and
    plonked you. I'm about to that point myself, as it's clear you don't want
    help, just to [censored] and whine.

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    toTo lose
    those initial 46 lbs all I did was walk a few times a week - 2 miles per
    day. Now suddenly I need the gym, weight lifting, running/sprinting


    etc.?

    Well, if you don't try you'll never know. Everybody needs to do something to
    increase their calorie deficit as they lose weight, because just from weight
    loss your caloric needs keep declining. So... you can keep eating less, or
    exercise more. Or both. Most choose both. It's sort of the Law of Dieting
    and applies to every dieting program out there. It's the basis of WW's point
    allowances and exercise point stuff.

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    $$ One would think I should do everything you people suggest like


    before -

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    with no results. You missed those posts too? You tell me how long a


    senior

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    is going to last with all this intensive expertise, strength training,
    running on 1000 to 1200 calories a day? LCing no less, trying to do it on
    fat and protein. What qualifies you to give someone my age that kind of
    advice? There is nothing about this intensive workout and running for
    seniors in the Atkins book.

    Number one, you work up to it. Duh. You're only 60? Well, I'm a whole 2
    years behind you and I do all that stuff. You wouldn't believe the hills I
    cycle. And I lift weights. And do yoga. But then... I have a brain and I use
    it. What's your excuse?

    HG

  19. Try aged cheddar and summer sausage.

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    Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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    yes i did. i was just asking what most people here tend to eat. i hate
    to cook so i ususally tend to go for what's easiest to make, a habit i'm
    trying to break.

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Did you read the FAQ?

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Sullen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    i'm new to trying to eat low carb and i was wondering what some of you
    eat in an average day?
    what do you normally have for breakfast, lunch, dinner?

  20. Hi Tia,
    Wysong earned the nick "Whine Song"/ "Whinesong" 3 years ago. Now you
    know why. :-)

    Have a good day,
    Carmen

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