I found this intresting...

What the chart doesn't say is why the KH hub is lighter than the Qu-ax,
the KH axle is drilled to save weight. The Qu-ax is not, meaning it's
stronger. I wonder why it shows the Koxx on there too as it's not real
ISIS...

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I saved that.🙂

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i thought that the Red isis hub wasnt strong😕

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Det-riot said:

i thought that the Red isis hub wasnt strong😕

That was the case for the old non ISIS red hub. The new ISIS one
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We only need one 36" rim, one that doesn't suck. A properly sized KH rim
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like really strong? comparable to the KH? or is it just a little bit
stronger than a square taper set up?

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zfreak220 said:

like really strong? comparable to the KH? or is it just a little bit
stronger than a square taper set up?

It's been said to be comparable, maybe stronger because its not drilled
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We only need one 36" rim, one that doesn't suck. A properly sized KH rim
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Brian O. said:

It's been said to be comparable, maybe stronger because its not drilled
like the KH.

So then UDC UK is incorrect? http://tinyurl.com/2ornn7 says that the
red ISIS hub, and the cranks on that particular unicycle, are
"lightweight" and not suited for large drops.

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SNES350 said:

So then UDC UK is incorrect? http://tinyurl.com/2ornn7 says that the red
ISIS hub, and the cranks on that particular unicycle, are "lightweight"
and not suited for large drops.

I believe the issue is the freestyle ISIS cranks on it, those are
probably not nearly as strong as say the KH or Koxx cranks.

Even if its just as strong as and cheaper than the KH hub, its a 48
spoke hub so you end up seriously limiting your rim choice. I'd rather
spend the extra, get a hub I know is strong and light and give myself
more options for future upgrades. Not to mention the wider flange to
flange distance of the KH hub which would provide an even more solid
wheel build.

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mscalisi said:

We only need one 36" rim, one that doesn't suck. A properly sized KH rim
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I wonder how you say that your Qu-Ax is the same as the KH? None of the
paramaters are the same. Did you mean ONZA by any chance.

As for QU-AX vs KH strenght there are many more factors than just
drilling that determine strengh!

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High end racing motorcycles have hollow axles. Machining like this adds
to the makers cost, but removes heavy metal from a place where it does
little to add strength. Using a solid rod rather then a drilled tube is
a cost saving design, nothing more can be said for it. I don't know
what metal KH and Qu-ax are using. In general, the extra cost of
machining the axle hollow is combined with a willingness to spend more
on metal quality and heat treatment as well. I would guess that the
hollow KH axle is stronger then the solid Qu-ax version as a result of
the willingness to invest more in it's manufacture.😎

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Brian O. said:

That was the case for the old non ISIS red hub. The new ISIS one however
is strong.

I have a red ISIS hub - I bent it, with my highest drop being about
4ft. I had the freestyle cranks, which are fine. I don't know why
people are saying the red ISIS is comparable to KH Moment hub. the red
hub is only recomended for entry level trials. The moment hub doesn't
carry such warning.

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DustinSchaap said:

The Qu-ax is not, meaning it's stronger. I wonder why it

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thejdw said:

I have a new game!!! spot the sponcered!!! 😄

You're the only one to break it, like I said it's probably a flawed
hub. You're suggesting I'm biased about this, but I've discussed it
with 2 unicycle.com shop owners. There were originally 2 qu-ax red hub
versions, one was drilled the other wasn't. Qu-ax found that this
drilled hub might not be strong enough and wanted to be sure and made
the new solid hub. It could be that you have a drilled hub, but I doubt
it, I don't think they are on the market. Mail your shop. Also, make
sure it's not your cranks thats bent, the cranks are labeled as
freestyle cranks.

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DustinSchaap said:

You're the only one to break it, like I said it's probably a flawed hub.
You're suggesting I'm biased about this, but I've discussed it with 2
unicycle.com shop owners. There were originally 2 qu-ax red hub
versions, one was drilled the other wasn't. Qu-ax found that this
drilled hub might not be strong enough and wanted to be sure and made
the new solid hub. It could be that you have a drilled hub, but I doubt
it, I don't think they are on the market. Mail your shop. Also, make
sure it's not your cranks thats bent, the cranks are labeled as
freestyle cranks.

Well I know that the yellow hub is solid, but I've heard of the qu-ax
isis bending.

And yes I am sugesting that you will be pro qu-ax (obviously) but not
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DustinSchaap said:

You're the only one to break it, like I said it's probably a flawed hub.
.... Mail your shop.

I phoned them. The hub was meant for entry level trials, which they
told me when I bought it.

DustinSchaap said:

There were originally 2 qu-ax red hub versions, one was drilled the
other wasn't.

When you ay drilled, do you mean thay are "hollowed out"? I'd like to
check it out, but don't have my uni with me at the moment.

DustinSchaap said:

Also, make sure it's not your cranks thats bent, the cranks are labeled
as freestyle cranks.

The cranks aren't bent. I swithched then with an identical qu-ax cross.
Same wobble on my uni, same smooth ride with the other uni.

I don't think I received a flawed hub. It makes no sense to me that it
would be advertised as an entry level hub if it is the same
strength/stronger than the KH moment. And the Qu-ax Isis (29.90 Euro)
is almost half the price of the KH Moment (49 euro) on Municycle.com.
The Qu-ax yellow splined hub, which is on their serious trials and
munis, costs 45 euro. As I understand it, the yellow hub is comparable
in strength to the KH moment.

Municycle.com said:

[the Qu-ax Cross] unicycle is intended for light riding and small hops.
This is a good choice for a first unicycle. For heavier, more extreme
riding we recommend buying the Qu-ax Muni *with the stronger [yellow]
splined hub*.

unicycle.co.uk said:

Although this is called a trials unicycle it does not have the large
volume tyre that other trials unicycles have so is only useful for
beginners and lightweight use. It is not suitable for serious jumping
as *only has lightweight ISIS hub and cranks*, for extreme jumping look
at our unicycles with splined hubs.

As I understand the above statements, the red isis hub is the main
factor that limits the strength of the uni.

Qu-ax make great unicycles, at great prices. I own 3 qu-ax's and am
very happy with them. I think that my cross outperformed it's
advertised limits. however, I think that the suggestion that the red
isis hub is comparable to the moments is misleading.

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The Qu-Ax red hub is comparable to the UDC cro-molly cotterless hub in
strength, like on the Nimbus 'Trials ' (http://tinyurl.com/2g7c8)and
'Muni' (http://tinyurl.com/yweswv), _not_nearly_as_strong_as_the_KH_.
The rim is likely a bit stronger because of the 48 spokes though.

The KH & Qu-Ax freestyle cranks are compatable w/ each other's hubs.
I'm not sure if the Monty isis cranks/hub are compatable though.

What wasn't in the chart were the issis hubs on the new 'Nimbus X
Street ' (http://tinyurl.com/ysu5fr)and 'Monty trials'
(http://tinyurl.com/2o6skq). I don't think they are available
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I would like to start this post by saying that just because I'm a qu-ax
rider I don't have to like say good stuff about them. So that's
[censored], I don't get paid for any unicycle they sell so I shouldn't
care.

Please don't throw in prices and tell me just because the KH is more
expensive it is better, I bent the 2005 cranks in 2 days, I think the
hub/crankset was 150 euros. Now, The light Koxx cranks meant for
freestyle, hockey and touring are also more expensive that the
reinforced trials ones. So are the street cranks, maybe we should go do
large drops on them. It doesn't work like that.

Why is the qu-ax red hub so much cheaper than the KH? not because it's
less quality. These pedals: http://tinyurl.com/3bpkql are 40 euro's,
made in exactly the same factory with exactly the same materials as
these pedals http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?id=40031 which are
sold for like twice the price.

I think the axles of the KH and qu-ax are made of the same material but
I'm not sure, I doubt that any shop will tell you it's made for 3 meter
drops (no unicycle hub is) mainly to avoid warranty issues. When I was
at Unicycle.com UK one of the staff who also helped designing the KH
hub/cranks told me that the qu-ax hub should be stronger than the KH in
theory.

I base my knowledge on that, if the hub fails, I mean, that's possible.
But don't go saying 'woo, it's 30 euros so it's probably as strong as a
cotterless hub!' and saying [censored] like it's as strong as a UDC CrMo hub,
that's [censored]. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't
post.

To those people who claim it's as strong as a cotterless hub, please
give me the information on what you base it on, like the materials the
hub is made out of. I would like to know and bow to your superior
knowledge. Also explain to me why the splined system is stronger
again.

I recon this post sounds pretty annoyed, it's because I am...

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DustinSchaap said:

Please don't throw in prices and tell me just because the KH is more
expensive it is better...

True, but I think that it is a helpful indication considering the
warning about not riding too hard.

DustinSchaap said:

Why is the qu-ax red hub so much cheaper than the KH? not because it's
less quality. These pedals: http://tinyurl.com/3bpkql are 40 euro's,
made in exactly the same factory with exactly the same materials as
these pedals http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?id=40031 which are
sold for like twice the price.

I stress, its an indication when used in conjuction with other
information.

DustinSchaap said:

...I doubt that any shop will tell you it's made for 3 meter drops (no
unicycle hub is) mainly to avoid warranty issues.

Then why does the red hub specifically carry this warning whilst the
other hubs (including the Qu-ax yellow splined) don't?

DustinSchaap said:

When I was at Unicycle.com UK one of the staff who also helped designing
the KH hub/cranks told me that the qu-ax hub should be stronger than
the KH in theory.

Their advertising does not support this

DustinSchaap said:

But don't go saying 'woo, it's 30 euros so it's probably as strong as a
cotterless hub!' and saying [censored] like it's as strong as a UDC CrMo hub,
that's [censored]. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't
post.

I think you combined my post (prices) with Skilewis (UDC CroMo). That
isn't necessarily how he came to form his opinion.

DustinSchaap said:

I recon this post sounds pretty annoyed, it's because I am...

Chill out. there is confusion, with information supporting both
arguments. nobody is personally attacking you or your credibility.

I'm out of town for a few days, so i'll only be able to catch up with
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WOFT, the post wasn't aimed at you just at everyone who posted here. You
never said that the Qu-ax was as strong as a cotterless hub, you're
just stating facts. The UDC dealer writes what the company, in this
case Qu-ax wants it to say, UDC doesn't pay for the warranty but Qu-ax
does. Compared to the yellow hub this is a light hub, but the yellow
one is pretty much overkill. I'm pretty tired and cranky in case you
havn't noticed haha, but it just pisses me off when people go the Qu-ax
is as strong as a cotterless hub.

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