Hypoglycemia help needed

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(Dan Abel) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Katra

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Will post pics when I'm all done. <lol>

Before and after?

Yes!
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K.

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"JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lynne A said:

jim,

If you wanna be rude, that's fine-I personally have NO experience,

except

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for being low carb for about 4 years now, a hypo, exercising myself, and
talking to people who ride marathons regularly about their

experiences..

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He may run races, and he may do very little exercise, and you have no

more

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knowledge about that than me. IF he races, yes, he will need more

carbs,

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may decide to do a carb up before or after, as well-or not, depending on
HIM. And, BTW, as a hypo myself, he still wants to keep those carbs as

low

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as he can manage, or he's gonna crash and burn-period. If a hypo's

system

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worked RIGHT, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, now would

we?

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Before you got so bloody testy, my whole point was that exercise does

not

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*necessarily* create a need for higher carbs. For the average person
working out, an hour or two is fairly standard. And even for those who

do

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longer, more intense workouts-low carb is a viable option, or I guess

these

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guys would be dropping like flies.

Aside from all that, you didn't say 3-5 hours of biking, you said

intense

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exercise-Pilates and weightlifting are both intense exercise, and I

don't

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need carbs to do them.

Lynne A
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You assumed your definition of intense was the correct one. It is not.
Even what I consider intense may pale next to someone else's.

Most people have enough carbs in their system to endure a couple hours
of exercise without a significant impact. Beyond that, diet is an
entirely different matter.

Again, this was about people sounding off with far too little
information to make an informed reply.

What is interesting is that the OP hasn't given us anything about
whether or not the son is a couch potato or an intense athlete or
somewhere between.

jim

Agreed, to a point-it works the opposite way too. What you consider an
average 30 min workout may qualify as intense to some. And hypo's DO have
to deal with it differently than the average person. When I was 17-20 years
old, I worked as a roofing laborer for 12 hours a day. But, being a hypo, I
still had to eat carefully, keeping the carbs low and the protein high to
keep from crashing later. And that's pretty intense exercise!LOL If he
does work out in any fashion, he's going to have to play around with diet a
LOT to find what works for him-it's a major balancing act between not enough
fuel, and rocket fuel that burns hot and quick, and is gone. That said, low
carb really does seem to work best for hypo's in general, exercise or no.
Refeeds and carb ups may be necessary at some point, no doubt about it, but
for a hypo they tend to be much smaller than you might need. And there has
to be protein included to temper the carbs. Says she who passed out in the
shower one time from eating candy as a quick fix and then getting into the
hot water <DUH>

Lynne A
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Lynne A said:

"JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lynne A said:

jim,

If you wanna be rude, that's fine-I personally have NO experience,

except

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for being low carb for about 4 years now, a hypo, exercising myself, and
talking to people who ride marathons regularly about their

experiences..

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He may run races, and he may do very little exercise, and you have no

more

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knowledge about that than me. IF he races, yes, he will need more

carbs,

Quoted message said:

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may decide to do a carb up before or after, as well-or not, depending on
HIM. And, BTW, as a hypo myself, he still wants to keep those carbs as

low

Quoted message said:

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as he can manage, or he's gonna crash and burn-period. If a hypo's

system

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worked RIGHT, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, now would

we?

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Before you got so bloody testy, my whole point was that exercise does

not

Quoted message said:

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*necessarily* create a need for higher carbs. For the average person
working out, an hour or two is fairly standard. And even for those who

do

Quoted message said:

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longer, more intense workouts-low carb is a viable option, or I guess

these

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guys would be dropping like flies.

Aside from all that, you didn't say 3-5 hours of biking, you said

intense

Quoted message said:

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exercise-Pilates and weightlifting are both intense exercise, and I

don't

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need carbs to do them.

Lynne A
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You assumed your definition of intense was the correct one. It is not.
Even what I consider intense may pale next to someone else's.

Most people have enough carbs in their system to endure a couple hours
of exercise without a significant impact. Beyond that, diet is an
entirely different matter.

Again, this was about people sounding off with far too little
information to make an informed reply.

What is interesting is that the OP hasn't given us anything about
whether or not the son is a couch potato or an intense athlete or
somewhere between.

jim

Agreed, to a point-it works the opposite way too. What you consider an
average 30 min workout may qualify as intense to some. And hypo's DO have
to deal with it differently than the average person. When I was 17-20 years
old, I worked as a roofing laborer for 12 hours a day. But, being a hypo, I
still had to eat carefully, keeping the carbs low and the protein high to
keep from crashing later. And that's pretty intense exercise!LOL If he
does work out in any fashion, he's going to have to play around with diet a
LOT to find what works for him-it's a major balancing act between not enough
fuel, and rocket fuel that burns hot and quick, and is gone. That said, low
carb really does seem to work best for hypo's in general, exercise or no.
Refeeds and carb ups may be necessary at some point, no doubt about it, but
for a hypo they tend to be much smaller than you might need. And there has
to be protein included to temper the carbs. Says she who passed out in the
shower one time from eating candy as a quick fix and then getting into the
hot water <DUH>

Lynne A
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I look for maltodextrin, burns longer and doesn't slam you with peaks
and valleys. Most of the energy drinks don't have it and most of the
rest seem to couple it with standard sugars for that quick energy and
then the malto takes over. Of course, if one gets out of the 7-11s or
supermarkets and into exercise-oriented stores, there's a lot of offerings.

jim

jim

"JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I look for maltodextrin, burns longer and doesn't slam you with peaks
and valleys. Most of the energy drinks don't have it and most of the
rest seem to couple it with standard sugars for that quick energy and
then the malto takes over. Of course, if one gets out of the 7-11s or
supermarkets and into exercise-oriented stores, there's a lot of

offerings.

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jim

jim

I'll have to look around for it online-it's just sad how much is not
available here<SIGH>. I would be willing to try it though and see if it
works for me-always game for new solutions. Got any brand names I can
search for? If not, I'll just see if Netrition has anything, they show all
the ingredient lists for the products they carry, IIRC.

Lynne A
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"Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gregory Morrow"

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Katra said:

The dangers of fasting (and low carbing) are over-rated.

A few years back I was extremely ill, I barely ate for a three week

period.

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I was just not hungry...I did manage to hydrate well, primarily with

water

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and some fruit juices...

At the end of the three week period I did have ketosis, but I really

only

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lost about ten or so pounds during that time (I weigh about 200 on a

large

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"football player" frame).

That is about the only time I've had an extended "fast"...I could

probably

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go for a longer period than three weeks and not suffer especially

badly...

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I've read books on fasting... :-)
With proper timing and care, you can work up to a 30 day fast if you
have the body fat to handle it.

It's an interesting concept.

I don't plan to do it any this time around. I was seriously messed up
back then. Probably had something to do with turning 30 and weighing 260
lbs. :-P And being untreated hypothyroid. It messes with your mind
something serious.

This time, I started at 273 and have made permanent lifestyle changes so
I'm sure I can keep it off. Low carb is not that hard to live with.

Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
finally!

Hey Kat! Great work, glad to hear you broke through. ',;~}~

Shaun aRe

Lynne A said:

"JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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I look for maltodextrin, burns longer and doesn't slam you with peaks
and valleys. Most of the energy drinks don't have it and most of the
rest seem to couple it with standard sugars for that quick energy and
then the malto takes over. Of course, if one gets out of the 7-11s or
supermarkets and into exercise-oriented stores, there's a lot of

offerings.

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jim

jim

I'll have to look around for it online-it's just sad how much is not
available here<SIGH>. I would be willing to try it though and see if it
works for me-always game for new solutions. Got any brand names I can
search for? If not, I'll just see if Netrition has anything, they show all
the ingredient lists for the products they carry, IIRC.

Lynne A
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Take a look at:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/category_nutrition.cfm

and then read the descriptions.

I have tried to find an online source for maltodextrin and have found
small amounts available through home brewing sites, but it is WAY marked
up. I contacted the manufacturers to see if they would help me contact
someone I could buy from and they were of no help.

jim

ps - As far as fast food choices go, I have found Mexican things like
tacos, quesadillos, etc, to be very balanced and will stay evenly with you
for quite a while. You get your beef or chicken or beans, lettuce,
tomato, cheese, and a smaller bread carb than a hamburger roll.

MK