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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Wazza said:

    "Michel Boucher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : "Wazza" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    : news:[email hidden]:
    :
    : > "RR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    : > news:[email hidden]...
    : >: Michel Boucher <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : >:
    : >: >
    : >: >My son, 21, has just discovered that he's hypoglycemic. I'm
    : >: >looking for appropriate websites with diet ideas, recipes, etc,
    : >: >as well as recommendations for cookbooks geared to a
    : >: >hypoglycemic (or diabetic) diet and lifestyle.
    : >:
    : >:
    : >: The best advice I got was located at:
    : >: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
    : >: Tell your son to read this page a few times. Next, make sure he
    : >: gets a meter and follows the advice given.
    : >: Jennifer, the person who wrote that info is a regular contributor
    : >: to alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes
    : >: Subscribe to those two groups and it won't take many days before
    : >: one learns to winnow the wheat from the chaff.
    : >: Also, alt.food.diabetic may provide a recipe or two.
    : >:
    : > Jennifer, I believe Ross is right, take advice from those who
    : > know.
    :
    : I'm not Jennifer. It's gotten so that I expect Michael or Mike once
    : in a while, but Jennifer??? Now that is a new one on me.
    :

    OK, sorry Mike.

    : > There is so much rubbish in the advice people have given in
    : > this thread, they should be held to account for their responses.
    : > Find out all you can about the conditions ('hypoglycemic' is not
    : > the same as 'diabetic'😉, I am type II diabetic, but there is no
    : > way on Gods litttle earth I would ever go 'hypo', it just can't
    : > happen to me. As for low carb diet, that is the LAST thing to
    : > consider, your son NEEDS sugar, not lack of it! Get good advice,
    : > from those groups Ross suggested. GOOD LUCK, be responsible, and
    : > I'm sure you and your son will be fine. cheers
    :
    : So, my son needs sugar, you say. Yes, if his blood sugar is low.

    but you say he is hypoglycemic? or do you mean hyperglycemic?? hypo == too
    little, hyper == too much

    : Hopefully, a diabetic diet should be able to help keep those dips
    : under control, and I doubt a diabetic diet is composed of primarily
    : of sugar.

    No! The diabetic diet keeps the high sugars under control!! When diabetics go
    hypo, they have administered too much insulin for the sugar they have
    consumed.

    :I would expect it to have a properly balanced nutritional
    : éventail which would include slower burning material than sugars.

    but its the fast burning sugars that your son requires, (if he is
    hypoglycemic)
    give him slow burners and he is going to be very ill!

    Wazza...
    you have got it SO backwards!!!

    Have you even done any research?
    Are you trying to KILL her son???

    Fast burning sugars cause insulin spikes.
    Insulin spikes drive blood sugar LOWER!!!

    Slow burning carbs will keep serum glucose levels at a more even level,
    especially when mixed with protein.

    Stop spouting dangerous [censored] FFS!!!

    You may note that the majority repeated what I suggested.
    Doesn't that tell you something?

    Sheesh!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  2. OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Wazza...
    you have got it SO backwards!!!

    Have you even done any research?
    Are you trying to KILL her son???

    HIS son. Sheesh. But thanks for the support :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Fast burning sugars cause insulin spikes.

    Exactly how I read the info.

    --

    [...] remember when you're feeling very small and insecure,
    How amazingly unlikely is your birth
    And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
    'Cause there's bugger all down 'ere on Earth!

    Monty Python's Universe Song

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Lynne A said:

    "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Michel Boucher said:

    My son, 21, has just discovered that he's hypoglycemic. I'm looking
    for appropriate websites with diet ideas, recipes, etc, as well as
    recommendations for cookbooks geared to a hypoglycemic (or diabetic)
    diet and lifestyle.

    One thing that most everyone is sounding off without asking about is,
    does he work out? If not, then most of what is here is good, but if he
    works out regularly and especially if hard, then low carb won't cut it.
    You can't do intense exercise based on protein/fat diets.

    Having said that???

    jim

    It has to be pretty intense for that to apply, though, Jim. I do an hour of
    weightlifting and an hour of Pilates on alternating days, every day, and I
    haven't hit the wall yet, carbwise. I'd say it's definitely more of a
    concern if he's running or biking, but still, he can keep carbs low most of
    the time and just carry some carbier stuff for his workouts, and do very
    well indeed.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    Back around 10 years or so ago, I starved off 80 lbs. over a 6 month
    period. Ate 1 small meal about every 3 days and gradually worked up to a
    2 week fast. I ate only soups for the rare meals, multivitamins and
    minerals every day and about 20 grams worth of tableted amino acid
    supplements.

    During fasting, I still continued to lift weights 3 days per week along
    with a 20 minute stairmaster session.

    Never got weak, dizzy or otherwise. Never ended up in the hospital
    either.

    Finally got some help with my thyroid problem that was driving the
    depression that allowed me to do that to myself. ;-) I don't do that
    kind of thing anymore now.....

    The dangers of fasting (and low carbing) are over-rated. If I can lift
    weights (without any loss in strength, I could still deadlift 210 even
    during the 2 week fast) then I don't see how low carbing and weight
    lifting can possibly be any more detrimental.

    There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

    Cheers!

    Katra (the now "less insane" low carb dieter. Limit is 25 grams per day
    and I do just fine in the gym thank you!)
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
    see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michel Boucher said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Wazza...
    you have got it SO backwards!!!

    Have you even done any research?
    Are you trying to KILL her son???

    HIS son. Sheesh. But thanks for the support :-)

    Oops! Sorry! :-)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Fast burning sugars cause insulin spikes.

    Exactly how I read the info.

    Cheers and keep us posted?
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  5. Michel Boucher said:

    OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Wazza...
    you have got it SO backwards!!!

    Have you even done any research?
    Are you trying to KILL her son???

    HIS son. Sheesh. But thanks for the support :-)

    Prove it. (Sorry)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Fast burning sugars cause insulin spikes.

    Exactly how I read the info.


    Again you might want to look at the various books on the South Beach
    diet.

    modom

  6. Katra said:

    The dangers of fasting (and low carbing) are over-rated.

    A few years back I was extremely ill, I barely ate for a three week period.
    I was just not hungry...I did manage to hydrate well, primarily with water
    and some fruit juices...

    At the end of the three week period I did have ketosis, but I really only
    lost about ten or so pounds during that time (I weigh about 200 on a large
    "football player" frame).

    That is about the only time I've had an extended "fast"...I could probably
    go for a longer period than three weeks and not suffer especially badly...

    --
    Best
    Greg

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Gregory Morrow"

    Quoted message said:
    Katra said:

    The dangers of fasting (and low carbing) are over-rated.

    A few years back I was extremely ill, I barely ate for a three week period.
    I was just not hungry...I did manage to hydrate well, primarily with water
    and some fruit juices...

    At the end of the three week period I did have ketosis, but I really only
    lost about ten or so pounds during that time (I weigh about 200 on a large
    "football player" frame).

    That is about the only time I've had an extended "fast"...I could probably
    go for a longer period than three weeks and not suffer especially badly...

    I've read books on fasting... :-)
    With proper timing and care, you can work up to a 30 day fast if you
    have the body fat to handle it.

    It's an interesting concept.

    I don't plan to do it any this time around. I was seriously messed up
    back then. Probably had something to do with turning 30 and weighing 260
    lbs. :-P And being untreated hypothyroid. It messes with your mind
    something serious.

    This time, I started at 273 and have made permanent lifestyle changes so
    I'm sure I can keep it off. Low carb is not that hard to live with.

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
    see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

  8. Katra said:

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    YAY, Katra! Well done ... that's a great accomplishment. 🙂

    Carol

    --
    CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY
    United States:
    http://www.stopthehunger.com/
    International:
    http://www.thehungersite.com/

  9. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    I don't plan to do it any this time around. I was seriously messed up
    back then. Probably had something to do with turning 30 and weighing 260
    lbs. :-P And being untreated hypothyroid. It messes with your mind
    something serious.

    This time, I started at 273 and have made permanent lifestyle changes so
    I'm sure I can keep it off. Low carb is not that hard to live with.

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell > see, I have friends


    in both places." --Mark Twain

    Way to go Katra! Kickin' ass and takin' names!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

  10. "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Katra said:

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    YAY, Katra! Well done ... that's a great accomplishment. 🙂

    Carol

    --
    CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY
    United States:
    http://www.stopthehunger.com/
    International:
    http://www.thehungersite.com/

    Hehehe, GMTA, Dams!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

  11. Lynne A said:

    "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Katra said:

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    YAY, Katra! Well done ... that's a great accomplishment. 🙂

    Hehehe, GMTA, Dams!

    Gee, can you tell that we met in the low-carb support group? LOL!

    Carol

    --
    CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY
    United States:
    http://www.stopthehunger.com/
    International:
    http://www.thehungersite.com/

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel said:
    Katra said:

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    YAY, Katra! Well done ... that's a great accomplishment. 🙂

    Carol

    Thanks!
    Still got 75 to go, but it's a good start.
    Being stuck for a month was getting very frustrating....
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
    see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, "Lynne A" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    I don't plan to do it any this time around. I was seriously messed up
    back then. Probably had something to do with turning 30 and weighing 260
    lbs. :-P And being untreated hypothyroid. It messes with your mind
    something serious.

    This time, I started at 273 and have made permanent lifestyle changes so
    I'm sure I can keep it off. Low carb is not that hard to live with.

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    Way to go Katra! Kickin' ass and takin' names!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    On my way......

    Will post pics when I'm all done. <lol>
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
    see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

  14. "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lynne A said:

    "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Katra <[email hidden]> said:

    >Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    >finally!

    YAY, Katra! Well done ... that's a great accomplishment. 🙂

    Hehehe, GMTA, Dams!

    Gee, can you tell that we met in the low-carb support group? LOL!

    Carol

    --
    CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY
    United States:
    http://www.stopthehunger.com/
    International:
    http://www.thehungersite.com/

    Heeeheee!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

  15. This started hitting me several years ago. (40-ish) Sat through the
    all-day blood tests, etc. Went to some classes. Everyone is different.

    What works for me is a good full breakfast - cold cereal or oatmeal with
    almonds and walnuts. Luckily I'm not a sweets guy, so I like a
    salt/pepper seasoning in it, like grits. (Call me crazy.) Whatever
    works.

    Mid morn, a snack - a fruit but *with* protein does me fine. An apple or
    orange, and a good slice of cheese, or my homemade beef jerky, which I
    have gotten quite good at.

    Lunch - a nice balanced lunch. A hearty sandwich, a nice bowl of soup,
    But *don't eat too much*. Taco salad.

    Mid day - see mid morn.

    Dinner - see lunch.

    And very important, a *little* something late evening. Never go to sleep
    empty for the night. Crackers and cottage cheese.

    Just some starting ideas for you.

    BEANS are an excellent source of nutrition and keeping your protein up
    while pushing through some fiber, instead of meat fat. They're great
    lunch and dinner options. A nice garden salad with plenty of garbanzos or
    kidneys does me perfectly.

    What gets to me are the pasta things, which unfortunately I crave. Just
    remember that everyone is different. It takes time to adjust. But I have
    found that no matter what you eat, just *take it easy* in moderation.
    Don't eat more than you need at one time.

    Eat less, eat more often.

    ---------------------------------------

    MK - Hypoglycemic who likes bits of black licorice with his beer.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, Katra

    Quoted message said:

    Will post pics when I'm all done. <lol>

    Before and after?

    --
    Dan Abel
    Sonoma State University
    AIS
    [email hidden]

  17. Lynne A said:

    "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Michel Boucher said:

    My son, 21, has just discovered that he's hypoglycemic. I'm looking
    for appropriate websites with diet ideas, recipes, etc, as well as
    recommendations for cookbooks geared to a hypoglycemic (or diabetic)
    diet and lifestyle.

    One thing that most everyone is sounding off without asking about is,
    does he work out? If not, then most of what is here is good, but if he
    works out regularly and especially if hard, then low carb won't cut it.
    You can't do intense exercise based on protein/fat diets.

    Having said that???

    jim

    It has to be pretty intense for that to apply, though, Jim. I do an hour of
    weightlifting and an hour of Pilates on alternating days, every day, and I
    haven't hit the wall yet, carbwise. I'd say it's definitely more of a
    concern if he's running or biking, but still, he can keep carbs low most of
    the time and just carry some carbier stuff for his workouts, and do very
    well indeed.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    The rubric is that you have enough carbs in your body to do about two
    hours of exercise. I regularly ride bikes 3-5 hours multiple times per
    week. My normal on-board carbs won;t handle that. Now, wanna take
    another swat at it? We do not know if the kid exercises and, if so, how
    much. Until then, you're flapping your lips and not accomplishing anything.

    jim

  18. "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lynne A said:

    "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Michel Boucher wrote:

    >My son, 21, has just discovered that he's hypoglycemic. I'm looking
    >for appropriate websites with diet ideas, recipes, etc, as well as
    >recommendations for cookbooks geared to a hypoglycemic (or diabetic)
    >diet and lifestyle.
    >

    One thing that most everyone is sounding off without asking about is,
    does he work out? If not, then most of what is here is good, but if he
    works out regularly and especially if hard, then low carb won't cut it.
    You can't do intense exercise based on protein/fat diets.

    Having said that???

    jim

    It has to be pretty intense for that to apply, though, Jim. I do an


    hour of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weightlifting and an hour of Pilates on alternating days, every day, and


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    haven't hit the wall yet, carbwise. I'd say it's definitely more of a
    concern if he's running or biking, but still, he can keep carbs low most


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the time and just carry some carbier stuff for his workouts, and do very
    well indeed.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    The rubric is that you have enough carbs in your body to do about two
    hours of exercise. I regularly ride bikes 3-5 hours multiple times per
    week. My normal on-board carbs won;t handle that. Now, wanna take
    another swat at it? We do not know if the kid exercises and, if so, how
    much. Until then, you're flapping your lips and not accomplishing


    anything.

    Quoted message said:

    jim

    jim,

    If you wanna be rude, that's fine-I personally have NO experience, except
    for being low carb for about 4 years now, a hypo, exercising myself, and
    talking to people who ride marathons regularly about their experiences..
    He may run races, and he may do very little exercise, and you have no more
    knowledge about that than me. IF he races, yes, he will need more carbs,
    may decide to do a carb up before or after, as well-or not, depending on
    HIM. And, BTW, as a hypo myself, he still wants to keep those carbs as low
    as he can manage, or he's gonna crash and burn-period. If a hypo's system
    worked RIGHT, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, now would we?
    Before you got so bloody testy, my whole point was that exercise does not
    *necessarily* create a need for higher carbs. For the average person
    working out, an hour or two is fairly standard. And even for those who do
    longer, more intense workouts-low carb is a viable option, or I guess these
    guys would be dropping like flies.

    Aside from all that, you didn't say 3-5 hours of biking, you said intense
    exercise-Pilates and weightlifting are both intense exercise, and I don't
    need carbs to do them.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

  19. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Lynne A" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    I don't plan to do it any this time around. I was seriously messed up
    back then. Probably had something to do with turning 30 and weighing


    260

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lbs. :-P And being untreated hypothyroid. It messes with your mind
    something serious.

    This time, I started at 273 and have made permanent lifestyle changes


    so

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure I can keep it off. Low carb is not that hard to live with.

    Weighed in last night, down 45 lbs. Yay! I broke that damned plateu
    finally!

    Way to go Katra! Kickin' ass and takin' names!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    On my way......

    Will post pics when I'm all done. <lol>
    --
    K.

    Sprout the MungBean to reply

    "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell > see, I have friends


    in both places." --Mark Twain

    Can't wait, you'll be there before you know it!

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

  20. Lynne A said:

    "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Lynne A said:

    "JimLane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Michel Boucher wrote:
    >
    >
    >>My son, 21, has just discovered that he's hypoglycemic. I'm looking
    >>for appropriate websites with diet ideas, recipes, etc, as well as
    >>recommendations for cookbooks geared to a hypoglycemic (or diabetic)
    >>diet and lifestyle.
    >>
    >
    >One thing that most everyone is sounding off without asking about is,
    >does he work out? If not, then most of what is here is good, but if he
    >works out regularly and especially if hard, then low carb won't cut it.
    >You can't do intense exercise based on protein/fat diets.
    >
    >Having said that???
    >
    >
    >jim

    It has to be pretty intense for that to apply, though, Jim. I do an

    hour of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weightlifting and an hour of Pilates on alternating days, every day, and

    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    haven't hit the wall yet, carbwise. I'd say it's definitely more of a
    concern if he's running or biking, but still, he can keep carbs low most

    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the time and just carry some carbier stuff for his workouts, and do very
    well indeed.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    The rubric is that you have enough carbs in your body to do about two
    hours of exercise. I regularly ride bikes 3-5 hours multiple times per
    week. My normal on-board carbs won;t handle that. Now, wanna take
    another swat at it? We do not know if the kid exercises and, if so, how
    much. Until then, you're flapping your lips and not accomplishing

    anything.

    Quoted message said:


    jim

    jim,

    If you wanna be rude, that's fine-I personally have NO experience, except
    for being low carb for about 4 years now, a hypo, exercising myself, and
    talking to people who ride marathons regularly about their experiences..
    He may run races, and he may do very little exercise, and you have no more
    knowledge about that than me. IF he races, yes, he will need more carbs,
    may decide to do a carb up before or after, as well-or not, depending on
    HIM. And, BTW, as a hypo myself, he still wants to keep those carbs as low
    as he can manage, or he's gonna crash and burn-period. If a hypo's system
    worked RIGHT, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all, now would we?
    Before you got so bloody testy, my whole point was that exercise does not
    *necessarily* create a need for higher carbs. For the average person
    working out, an hour or two is fairly standard. And even for those who do
    longer, more intense workouts-low carb is a viable option, or I guess these
    guys would be dropping like flies.

    Aside from all that, you didn't say 3-5 hours of biking, you said intense
    exercise-Pilates and weightlifting are both intense exercise, and I don't
    need carbs to do them.

    Lynne A
    [email hidden]

    You assumed your definition of intense was the correct one. It is not.
    Even what I consider intense may pale next to someone else's.

    Most people have enough carbs in their system to endure a couple hours
    of exercise without a significant impact. Beyond that, diet is an
    entirely different matter.

    Again, this was about people sounding off with far too little
    information to make an informed reply.

    What is interesting is that the OP hasn't given us anything about
    whether or not the son is a couch potato or an intense athlete or
    somewhere between.

    jim

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