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Robert Chung said:

Jeff Jones said:

I blame it (broken wrist) on the car that pulled out in front of us on
a descent. 1/2 week to go until I get rid of this damned cast.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you recover quickly and completely.

Ta - could have been worse, I suppose. Or better. The guy who actually
hit the car (I flipped over him) got off with a bump on the head, then
he won a race a couple of weeks ago. Maybe there is a correlation.

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How are you typing?

With some difficulty, but it's not too bad with the keyboard at a weird
angle. Typos are more frequent during the lives :-)

Jeff

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Jenko said:

billyroll said:

2. I'm sure if we had access to the cyclingnews.com archives from
Anquetil's day, we'd see that riders did indeed get injured. We just
didn't have Jeff to report on it daily.

Add to that there were fewer pro riders in the 60s.

And less traffic.

Dumbass -

And less money.

Less money = taking less chances = less crashes

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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> 2. I'm sure if we had access to the cyclingnews.com archives from
> Anquetil's day, we'd see that riders did indeed get injured. We just
> didn't have Jeff to report on it daily.

Add to that there were fewer pro riders in the 60s.

And less traffic.

Dumbass -

And less money.

Less money = taking less chances = less crashes

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

I can see where you're going with this, but I also equate it with the risk
taking factor of wearing v. not wearing helmets. Prior to 20 years ago when
hardshell helmets were made mandatory, do you honestly think people said,
"Ohh that's a tight switchback I better back off a bit", then starting in
1986 people said, "I'm gonna let it hang out! I'm impervious with this beer
cooler on my head!"?

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I can see where you're going with this, but I also equate it with the risk
taking factor of wearing v. not wearing helmets. Prior to 20 years ago
when hardshell helmets were made mandatory, do you honestly think people
said, "Ohh that's a tight switchback I better back off a bit", then
starting in 1986 people said, "I'm gonna let it hang out! I'm impervious
with this beer cooler on my head!"?

I crashed my motorcycles in the desert without a helmet on many occasions. I
remember always holding my head up. After I started road racing and wearing
helmet I would still crash now and then when that damned Kawasaki factory
bike would sieze about every second race and the most critical part of the
race.

One time I came out onto the straight on Vaca Valley Raceway and the engine
siezed as I rolled the throttle off in the turn and dumped me on the track
at about 70 mph. The usual thing was to turn around on the ground and put
your feet in between your head and the direction you were sliding. I did
that and for the first time the thought went through my head that since I
was wearing a helmet I could put my head down. Which I did. After I got back
up, push started the bike and completed the race (still top ten bub) I
looked at the helmet and it was half ground off near the eyebrow area. I
kept that helmet for the rest of the time I rode motorcycles to remind me
that putting your head down was a bad idea.

Down in southern California I was doing some spectacular jumps on a Triumph
650 for some people that were filming that sort of stuff. There was this
nice little jump up onto a long flat. I could hit it at about 40 mph and get
maybe 20 feet in the air. Really looked great. But in those days there
weren't any helmets to speak of. Anyway, the Triumph fork was built kind of
loopy and the bottom end was sort of like a U clamp with a couple of bolts
holding the front axle on.

On the final jump I was the highest yet and the front wheel dropped out. I
landed on the back wheel and when the forks touched down I was spit over the
bars like a shot. Face first down the lot but I never hit my head. I had my
hands out and rolled out without a scratch! Thank heavens for soft grass I
suppose. And Levis and Levi jackets.

Tom Kunich said:

One time I came out onto the straight on Vaca Valley Raceway and the engine
siezed as I rolled the throttle off in the turn and dumped me on the track
at about 70 mph. The usual thing was to turn around on the ground and put
your feet in between your head and the direction you were sliding.

dumbass,

this isn't what happens in 99% of bike crashes.

people hit the ground before they can make any kind of concious
reaction.

* the main damage happens when you hit the ground *, not afterwards, so
all this faniciful talk about what you would do if you were sliding
along is irrelevent. by the time you've hit the ground the main damage
is done.

road rash is not a serious injury. i'm sure you've heard people say
that the more serious injuries can occur when there is no road rash. so
training yourself to avoid road rash on your head isn't going to save
whatever hits the ground first (hip, shoulder or head).

perhaps you can train yourself to protect your head once you're down,
but the idea that you can train yourself to make a proper reaction
within the time it takes to go from being upright to being on the
ground is pure horseshit.

Jeff Jones said:

Robert Chung said:

How are you typing?

With some difficulty, but it's not too bad with the keyboard
at a weird angle.

So you are saying you're not used to one-handed typing?

--
E. Dronkert

Jeff Jones said:

Ta - could have been worse, I suppose. Or better. The guy who actually
hit the car (I flipped over him) got off with a bump on the head, then
he won a race a couple of weeks ago. Maybe there is a correlation.

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

How are you typing?

Jeff Jones said:

With some difficulty, but it's not too bad with the keyboard at a weird
angle. Typos are more frequent during the lives :-)

But at least the left hand strength and coordination is improving. Should
do wonders for your social life.

Amit, you can make all these proclaimations all you want but the fact
remains that when I rode without a helmet I never hurt my head but
after I started wearing helmets I would occasionally hit my head.

The same on bicycles. I never hit my head when I was without a helmet.
Do you suppose that an extra pound might make a different at the end of
that long lever known as a neck?

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Jeff Jones said:

Robert Chung said:

How are you typing?

With some difficulty, but it's not too bad with the keyboard
at a weird angle.

So you are saying you're not used to one-handed typing?

No. It's dangerous. When I'm drinking beer, I don't type.

Jeff

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Jeff Jones said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Jeff Jones said:

Robert Chung wrote:
> How are you typing?

With some difficulty, but it's not too bad with the keyboard
at a weird angle.

So you are saying you're not used to one-handed typing?

No. It's dangerous. When I'm drinking beer, I don't type.

Jeff

Get a Camelback, Jeff.

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tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich said:

The same on bicycles. I never hit my head when I was without a helmet.

dumbass,

if your reflexes are so awesome why didn't you just put your feet down
instead of crashing like an idiot ?

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Tom Kunich said:

The same on bicycles. I never hit my head when I was without a helmet.

dumbass,

if your reflexes are so awesome why didn't you just put your feet down
instead of crashing like an idiot ?

Dumbass -

Goddamm.

Ity is funny, reading Kunich and his Category 5 "war stories".

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Well, somehow you were never quite bright enough or quick enough to be
able to land without hurting yourself on your bike. I guess that's why
you don't ride anymore.

I'll be off to Ireland Thursday with a couple of locals including a
judge who got an overlap on the guy in front of him who make a quick
turn. The guy turned into him to the right and they both swerved into a
bike path where the judge hit a chain link fence and came off hard. His
helmet strap caught in the fence and jerked his neck and snapped it.

I suggested to him that it was the helmet that caused his injury but he
said, "No, the framework of the helmet saved me." I asked how and he
said, "It's designed to break and allow the helmet to rotate." If it
didn't rotate when it did it wouldn't have just broken his neck, it
would have spun it around and killed him.

The way it was he was in a halo for 6 weeks.

But, you see, the helmet saved his life.

Tom Kunich said:

I suggested to him that it was the helmet that caused his injury ...

dumbass,

don't try to spin this into a helmet discussion.

the issue is whether you can train yourself to react in such a way that
you avoid injury when you fall. it's impossible, even my cat doesn't
always land on her feet.

Tom Kunich said:

Quoted message said:

I suggested to him that it was the helmet that caused his injury ...

amit said:

the issue is whether you can train yourself to react in such a way that
you avoid injury when you fall. it's impossible, even my cat doesn't
always land on her feet.

Is your cat a cat 5 ?

"even my cat doesn't always land on her feet."

So your cat needs a helmet?

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Kunich (') said:

But, you see, the helmet saved his life.

Oh, God, I dropped in here to avoid helmet flame wars. Is anywhere free
of them?

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