"Shussbar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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I realize that there is not one shred of evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong,
David MILLAR never failed a test neither
Oh good. Not failing a test is proof that someone is using. Great logic.
What is most fascinating is the french police finding the used syringes in David's lair. A well planned and executed search which turned up something you think he would have squirreled away in a place nobody would look, considering the charges leveled at him by his former teammate.
"David Kane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sQDMc.181278$Oq2.88957@attbi_s52...
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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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This is interesting - "far above all the others". In some 2,000 miles (MILES!!) of racing he has accumulated 6 minutes (about 3 miles)
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on the competition (3 guys this year discounting the 3 guys who were
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this level but dropped out or didn't start - Hamilton, Mayo and Beloki) that's in the neighborhood of a 10th of a percent and you call that "far above all the others".
Now consider that most of the Tour is filler as far as the GC goes. There are 141k of TT and another 30-50k of mountain finishes (depending on how you count). You can quibble about use of the word "far" but not that it's a decisive win vs. the world's best.
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Lance IS one of the very best athletes in the world. There's no doubt about that. But he doesn't win the Tour brecause he's a better athlete than a half dozen others. He wins because he has a winning strategy for the race and the team to back up that strategy.
That's part of what makes an athlete. It ain't just muscles.
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Johann is the master of the Tour and Lance is his weapon of choice.
After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?
Well I've seen Ullrich drinking coke but I've never heard of him testing positive for cocaine, unless you're suggesting he gets his candy from Peru and his jelly beans from the US. Perhaps you were thinking of ecstasy ?
"Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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In a group of world class athletes of any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain that amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance Armstrong is bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse begin...
I read an article a while ago (I can't quote the article, but I'm sure you could google it) that said Lance's VO2max was 86 (wow), but Bjorn Dahle's was 92! (double wow). I think Bjorn dominated X-C sking more than Lance dominated cycling. As far as I can tell, Lance has only dominated the Tour de France, not the sport as a whole, not that I want to belittle his feat.
After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?
Well I've seen Ullrich drinking coke but I've never heard of him testing positive for cocaine, unless you're suggesting he gets his candy from Peru and his jelly beans from the US. Perhaps you were thinking of ecstasy ?
I think he was thinking of amphetamines which, of course, compliment ecstasy.
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question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so
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above all the competition ?
Here's a thought, and I know it's way the [censored] out there considering how lazy americans can be, but maybe, just maybe he actually trains harder than anyone else and works tirelessly to shave every second.
I don't see how anyone can look at Lance and not draw that same conclusion. Here are my top 6 reasons LA is 'beyond category':
1. He simply works harder than everyone else. Compare LA's training/nutrition ethics to JU's - no comparison. 2. Genetics. Lungs, heart, legs, weight, brain - he's got it all. 3. Incredible team (again). USPS was unassailable this year - no attacks from any GC rivals (except JU on a couple of descents) 4. Incredible team management. Johan is the best, no question. 5. Incredible technology/equipment. Bikes, helmets, skin suits, aero riding position - it's all the very best. 6. Drive. The man will not settle for 2nd best 'anything'. 7. Experience. He simply knows how to win TsDF.
I'll be absolutely amazed if it turns out he's doping - he's got too much to lose.
I don't take any stance if Lance dopes or not, but I have to comment on your reasoning: If (IF! logical IF!) Lance is doping, then you can expect that a lot of what he has to lose he would never have without doping. Baring his health, and I don't think doping == big health risk, this is just too easy. If he is able to win even one Tour without doping, and dopes anyway, he's a complete moron, and I doubt that.
I don't take any stance if Lance dopes or not, but I have to comment on your reasoning: If (IF! logical IF!) Lance is doping, then you can expect that a lot of what he has to lose he would never have without doping. Baring his health, and I don't think doping == big health risk, this is just too easy. If he is able to win even one Tour without doping, and dopes anyway, he's a complete moron, and I doubt that.
As long as you're lecturing people on their reasoning, I'll point out that he COULD have doped for some period of time and not for all of the time. Suppose, for example, that he doped this year but not earlier.
I read an article a while ago (I can't quote the article, but I'm sure you could google it) that said Lance's VO2max was 86 (wow), but Bjorn Dahle's was 92! (double wow). I think Bjorn dominated X-C sking more than Lance dominated cycling. As far as I can tell, Lance has only dominated the Tour de France, not the sport as a whole, not that I want to belittle his feat.
That's mainly because the correlation between VO2max and competitiveness is much higher in the tour and XC skiing races than in one day races, for instance. And that's one reason why many people point to Merckx' palameres in comparison to Lance's.
I don't take any stance if Lance dopes or not, but I have to comment on your reasoning: If (IF! logical IF!) Lance is doping, then you can expect that a lot of what he has to lose he would never have without doping. Baring his health, and I don't think doping == big health risk, this is just too easy. If he is able to win even one Tour without doping, and dopes anyway, he's a complete moron, and I doubt that.
As long as you're lecturing people on their reasoning, I'll point out that he COULD have doped for some period of time and not for all of the time. Suppose, for example, that he doped this year but not earlier.
Yeah, he wins five in a row, and then begins to dope with the risk of loosing it all. Maybe, but then there is still the moron explanation.
But anyway, my point was the "he has too much to lose, so he is not doping" explanation doesn't hold, and what you say includes doping, so we agree.
OMG. Right! Some people still don't believe the the USA put a man on the moon.
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Of course they did. Didn't you notice somebody was operating the camera as the others left - brilliant tracking kept the space craft right in the middle of the frame.
That doesn't tell you there was a conspiracy to fake a moon landing. It just tells you there was a conspiracy to keep you from ever hearing about the fourth astronaut, who operated the camera. They had to leave him behind because the return vehicle was overweight and a corrupt contractor had cut corners on the oxygen generator so they could only make enough to bring three guys back.
-Ben "Capricorn One" is the best bad '70s movie ever, and it features Telly Savalas, OJ Simpson, and _two_ future husbands of Barbra Streisand.
