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  1. On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:56:05 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    Why come he no goey for the Olympics gold? Is cycling the one sport that
    olympics considered passe...a yawner after 20 stages of tdf and other tours?

    Until recently, Olympic medals were not a big deal in cycling road
    racing because the Olympics were limited to amateur and the best
    riders were pros.

    Certainly even now a Tour de France win is worth far more in prestige
    and money than an Olympic gold in cycling.

    JT

  2. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    This is interesting - "far above all the others". In some 2,000 miles
    (MILES!!) of racing he has accumulated 6 minutes (about 3 miles) advantage
    on the competition (3 guys this year discounting the 3 guys who were also


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    this level but dropped out or didn't start - Hamilton, Mayo and Beloki)
    that's in the neighborhood of a 10th of a percent and you call that "far
    above all the others".

    Now consider that most of the Tour is filler as far as the GC
    goes. There are 141k of TT and another 30-50k of mountain
    finishes (depending on how you count). You can quibble
    about use of the word "far" but not that it's a decisive win
    vs. the world's best.

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    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:56:05 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    Why come he no goey for the Olympics gold? Is cycling the one sport that
    olympics considered passe...a yawner after 20 stages of tdf and other tours?

    Until recently, Olympic medals were not a big deal in cycling road
    racing because the Olympics were limited to amateur and the best
    riders were pros.

    Certainly even now a Tour de France win is worth far more in prestige
    and money than an Olympic gold in cycling.

    Pascal Richard might disagree with you there - he wanted a jersey with
    the Olympic rings on it to wear for the four years after he won the race. I
    agree with you, though.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    So far, so good, so what?

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  4. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:56:05 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    Why come he no goey for the Olympics gold? Is cycling the one sport that
    olympics considered passe...a yawner after 20 stages of tdf and other


    tours?

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    Until recently, Olympic medals were not a big deal in cycling road
    racing because the Olympics were limited to amateur and the best
    riders were pros.

    Certainly even now a Tour de France win is worth far more in prestige
    and money than an Olympic gold in cycling.

    JT

    Unless you win three and a silver! :-)

  5. Even more unfortunate then to have worked hard \ smart, but had no luck;
    equally shafted...

    "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:53:08 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:23 -0400, "Scotty" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask


    the

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    >question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so


    overwhelmingly

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    >above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    >evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his


    abilities

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    are

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    >so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the


    back

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    of

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    >my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability


    say a

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    >percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across


    the

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    last

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    >six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class


    athletes

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    of

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    >any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated


    their

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    >sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain


    that

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    >amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance


    Armstrong

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    is

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    >bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
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    The same way Mohammed Ali did it. or the Miami Dolphins perfect
    season team, or the Yankees, or the Williams sisters, or Tiger Woods,
    etc. Work hard, work smart and get lucky.

    After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets
    loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?

    Robert

    I've worked hard all my life and it's got me nowhere. What's the deal?


    Maybe you left out the "work smart and get lucky" part?

    R.

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    << Of course, this could all just have been a story, a hoax orchestrated by
    Bristol-Myers Squibb, Lance, the doctors, Nike, Trek, et. al., to sell
    stuff --books, bikes, clothes, cars--all the while B-M experiments on him
    and shoots him up with all kinds of drugs and [censored] that can't be detected.
    Yeah....that's it....that's the ticket.... >>

    They actually found cancelled checks from Bristol-Meyers to one Jan Ullrich.
    The great rival who LAnce keeps beating to help the story? We don't
    REALLYknow know that Lance ever had cancer. Hell, this whole tour de france
    issomething done in a Hollywood studio. OMG!


    OMG. Right! Some people still don't believe the the USA put a man on the moon.

    Jim

  7. "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:53:08 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:23 -0400, "Scotty" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask


    the

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    >question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so


    overwhelmingly

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    >above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    >evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his


    abilities

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    are

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    >so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the


    back

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    of

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    >my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability


    say a

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    >percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across


    the

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    last

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    >six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class


    athletes

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    of

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    >any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated


    their

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    >sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain


    that

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    >amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance


    Armstrong

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    is

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    >bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    >begin...
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    The same way Mohammed Ali did it. or the Miami Dolphins perfect
    season team, or the Yankees, or the Williams sisters, or Tiger Woods,
    etc. Work hard, work smart and get lucky.

    After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets
    loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?

    Robert

    I've worked hard all my life and it's got me nowhere. What's the deal?


    Maybe you left out the "work smart and get lucky" part?

    R.

    Which brings us to the biggest factor of ALL! Lance has been
    physically/genetically gifted beyond just about anything/anyone previously
    known. He discusses this in his books ... the results from the performance
    labs at places like Appalachan (I can't spell that) State (near Boone where
    he worked on his comeback from cancer) where he's off the charts in terms of
    VO2 max, lactate threshold ... all that kind of stuff. Just look at the
    guy! I've never seen anyone his size with such an enormous barrel chest.
    His lungs must extend from his chin to his balls. And I saw him at the Tour
    of GA. Though he was not yet at the peak of his form, I didn't see another
    competitor there with the kind of chiseled physique that Armstrong
    displayed. The guy's a genetic freak and he's a freak in his capacity to
    work like an incredible maniac towards a single goal.

    Bob C.

  8. Consider his triathlon background.

    Also consider other dominant athletes:

    Dave Scott
    Mark Allen
    Scott Tinley
    Scott Molina
    Paula Newby-Fraser
    Ed Viesturs
    Tim DeBoom
    Laurie Bowden
    etc.

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    In a group of world class athletes of


    any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their
    sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain that
    amount of performance over the others ? <<

    Ever hear of Eddy Merckx? In his words: "Ride lots".

    "Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask


    the

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    question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so


    overwhelmingly

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    above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his abilities


    are

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    so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the back


    of

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    my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability say


    a

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    percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across the


    last

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    six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class


    athletes

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    of

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    any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their
    sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain


    that

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    amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance


    Armstrong

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    is

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    bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    begin...

    The deputy walks on hard nails and the preacher rides a mount. But


    nothing

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    really matters much, it's doom alone that counts. And the one eyed
    undertaker, he blows a futile horn. Come in she said I'll give you


    shelter

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    from the storm.

  9. "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:53:08 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:23 -0400, "Scotty" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask


    the

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    >question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so


    overwhelmingly

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    >above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    >evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his


    abilities

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    are

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    >so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the


    back

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    of

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    >my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability


    say a

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    >percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across


    the

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    last

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    >six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class


    athletes

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    of

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    >any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated


    their

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    >sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain


    that

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    >amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance


    Armstrong

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    is

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    >bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    >begin...
    >
    The same way Mohammed Ali did it. or the Miami Dolphins perfect
    season team, or the Yankees, or the Williams sisters, or Tiger Woods,
    etc. Work hard, work smart and get lucky.

    After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets
    loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?

    Robert

    I've worked hard all my life and it's got me nowhere. What's the deal?

    Working hard at the wrong thing then.

    As for big Jan, he turns all that junk food into fuel much like the way
    they put banana peels and beer cans in the Delorean in Back to the Future.

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    Maybe you left out the "work smart and get lucky" part?

    R.

  10. Robert Crim said:

    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:53:08 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert Crim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:23 -0400, "Scotty" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask


    the

    Quoted message said:

    >question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so


    overwhelmingly

    Quoted message said:

    >above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    >evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his abilities


    are

    Quoted message said:

    >so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the back


    of

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    >my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability say a
    >percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across the


    last

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    >six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class athletes


    of

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    >any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their
    >sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain that
    >amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance Armstrong


    is

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    >bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    >begin...
    >

    The same way Mohammed Ali did it. or the Miami Dolphins perfect
    season team, or the Yankees, or the Williams sisters, or Tiger Woods,
    etc. Work hard, work smart and get lucky.

    After all, Armstrong's biggest tour rival was a fat guy that gets
    loaded on coke and wrecks his car. How tough is that?

    Robert

    I've worked hard all my life and it's got me nowhere. What's the deal?

    Maybe you left out the "work smart and get lucky" part?

    R.

    I'll take two of those, Robert.

    Steve

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    His lungs must extend from his chin to his balls.

    I believe you used a plural where singular would have sufficed.
    (He does have two lungs <g>😉.

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    Here's a thought, and I know it's way the [censored] out there considering how
    lazy americans can be, but maybe, just maybe he actually trains harder
    than anyone else and works tirelessly to shave every second.

    Thanks Richard,
    It's a [censored] shame that hard work and preparation of the likes of
    USPS Pro Cycling are overlooked by dumfucks who always want, and
    therefore expect, the easier path. People want to find an easier path
    for themselves, therefore they expect the same of others. Thank
    goodness for logic and planning, and the dumbfucks who question it,
    for otherwise we would have no real losers.

  13. Scotty said:

    I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask the
    question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so overwhelmingly
    above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his abilities are
    so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the back of
    my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability say a
    percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across the last
    six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class athletes of
    any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their
    sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain that
    amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance Armstrong is
    bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    begin...

    No abuse, but please do get a grip. Lance is not THAT much better than all the
    others. He is only very slightly better, but in important ways and he has the
    team and tactics to maximize that advantage.

    He is a strong climber, a type that's always a threat in the tour, who can time
    trial well, also a dangerous specialty. He picks his shots well and has a very
    strong team to help and to cover any weakness. Give Lance's team and training
    plan to Ullrich and he'd be the one winning like that.

    Do not underestimate the value of that team, one of the few that actually works
    as a team all the time to secure the GC. No sharing domestiques with a sprinter
    or a polka dot chaser. In fact no sprinter and no mountain point chaser in the
    first place. Sure they'll try to get one of their guys in the front for mass
    sprints, but that's an after-thought. The team exists to get the captain the
    yellow in Paris.

    Ron

  14. On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:13:44 -0400, "psycholist" <[email hidden]>

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    Which brings us to the biggest factor of ALL! Lance has been
    physically/genetically gifted beyond just about anything/anyone previously
    known. He discusses this in his books ... the results from the performance
    labs at places like Appalachan (I can't spell that) State (near Boone where
    he worked on his comeback from cancer) where he's off the charts in terms of
    VO2 max, lactate threshold ... all that kind of stuff. Just look at the
    guy! I've never seen anyone his size with such an enormous barrel chest.
    His lungs must extend from his chin to his balls. And I saw him at the Tour
    of GA. Though he was not yet at the peak of his form, I didn't see another
    competitor there with the kind of chiseled physique that Armstrong
    displayed. The guy's a genetic freak and he's a freak in his capacity to
    work like an incredible maniac towards a single goal.

    Bob C.


    I thought all (well, almost) us guys from Texas were built that way.

    R.

  15. On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:14:29 -0400, "tooly" <[email hidden]>

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    "ie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The docs told him he had 30% chance of living after his cancer diagnosis


    to

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    give him something to hope for...they didn't think it was that good.


    Yeah,

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    docs are wrong a lot but he was pretty riddled with the stuff....

    As difficult as it might be for some people to fathom, it's quite possible
    he's just a very strong, focused and determined individual. Recovery


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    a day's riding or a week's riding is nothing compared to the recovery he
    went through after chemo and all.

    After beating the disease and living, winning the tour is pretty much


    small

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    chainring.

    Of course, this could all just have been a story, a hoax orchestrated by
    Bristol-Myers Squibb, Lance, the doctors, Nike, Trek, et. al., to sell
    stuff --books, bikes, clothes, cars--all the while B-M experiments on him
    and shoots him up with all kinds of drugs and [censored] that can't be detected.
    Yeah....that's it....that's the ticket....

    Ya know ie, you may have good point here (no, not the ticket stuff). Anyone
    who has looked at the green monster in the face and 'survived', realizes
    something precious about each day of being alive.

    I think of the grueling torture all these riders must be enduring...beyond
    imagination really. But only to live with purpose like these guys must
    feel...being at the top of what they do, having a real reason to strive.
    Seeing life's last moments makes one realize that 'body torture' pales
    against the far greater struggle in which the spirit must prevail. I have
    no doubt that LA's bout with cancer has everything to do with his ability to
    go that extra yard...to train, to do whatever it takes...to 'live' for the
    simple joy of it.


    Nicely said. I think Armstrong was indeed blessed with a ton of
    natural ability. Once he saw that that ability could be taken again
    at any time, I think he decided to make the most of his time. He
    certainly did that well.

    The pain and misery he experienced just to survive make a climb up a
    mountain seem like a walk in the park. Perhaps that's the key
    difference between Armstrong and his rivals. The Tour is the toughest
    thing they will have ever done.

    Robert

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    OMG. Right! Some people still don't believe the the USA put a man on the


    moon.
    Of course they did. Didn't you notice somebody was operating the camera as
    the others left - brilliant tracking kept the space craft right in the
    middle of the frame.
    Hasta la vuelta
    Dan Gregory

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  17. Robert Crim said:

    On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:48:23 -0400, "Scotty" <[email hidden]>

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    I realize I am opening myself up to a torrent of abuse, but I must ask the
    question. Am I alone in wondering how Lance Armstrong is so overwhelmingly
    above all the competition ? I realize that there is not one shred of
    evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong, but his abilities are
    so far above all the others, it puts a small doubt somewhere in the back of
    my mind. Has anyone analyzed his performances and given his ability say a
    percentage number ? Is he 10 percent better than the others across the last
    six tours ? Or maybe more than that ? In a group of world class athletes of
    any endurance sport is there a single champion that has dominated their
    sport so completely ? At the top level of any sport, how do you gain that
    amount of performance over the others ? It appears that Lance Armstrong is
    bordering on beyond human abilities. Ok I said it now let the abuse
    begin...


    The same way Mohammed Ali did it. or the Miami Dolphins perfect
    season team, or the Yankees, or the Williams sisters, or Tiger Woods,
    etc. Work hard, work smart and get lucky.

    Why the hell are the Williams sister on that list?
    They are not even near being among the best ever. Take whatever kind of
    tennis achievement and Graf or Navratilova did the same thing n more times.

    OTOH a great athletes ever list should include Marita Koch, Kerstin Otto,
    Gunda Niemann, Bjorn Daehlie, Hermann Maier, Steven Redgrave and Matti
    Nykkanen. If you don't know who these are, please don't even start talking
    about sports.

  18. "David Kane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    This is interesting - "far above all the others". In some 2,000 miles
    (MILES!!) of racing he has accumulated 6 minutes (about 3 miles)


    advantage

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    on the competition (3 guys this year discounting the 3 guys who were


    also

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    this level but dropped out or didn't start - Hamilton, Mayo and Beloki)
    that's in the neighborhood of a 10th of a percent and you call that "far
    above all the others".

    Now consider that most of the Tour is filler as far as the GC
    goes. There are 141k of TT and another 30-50k of mountain
    finishes (depending on how you count). You can quibble
    about use of the word "far" but not that it's a decisive win
    vs. the world's best.

    Lance IS one of the very best athletes in the world. There's no doubt about
    that. But he doesn't win the Tour brecause he's a better athlete than a half
    dozen others. He wins because he has a winning strategy for the race and the
    team to back up that strategy.

    Johann is the master of the Tour and Lance is his weapon of choice.

  19. One of the best answers to a question came from Lance...and yeah, it
    was in a commercial, but:

    The answer was "what am I on? I'm on my bike 6 hours a day..."

    Says it better than anything.

    No doubt LA trains harder, works harder, is more diligent in his
    preparation, pays attention to the most minute of details....etc.

    One would think the rest of the world would wake up and recognize this
    and attempt to emulate, but it's easier to cast aspersions.

    Much easier than, say, riding up L'Alpe du Huez multiple times in one
    training day, no?

    Anyway, big-time congrats to LA and the Posties, and to OLN for some
    great coverage....Al Trautwig notwithstanding...

    Mike C

    [email hidden] (whh) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Here's a thought, and I know it's way the [censored] out there considering how
    lazy americans can be, but maybe, just maybe he actually trains harder
    than anyone else and works tirelessly to shave every second.

    Thanks Richard,
    It's a [censored] shame that hard work and preparation of the likes of
    USPS Pro Cycling are overlooked by dumfucks who always want, and
    therefore expect, the easier path. People want to find an easier path
    for themselves, therefore they expect the same of others. Thank
    goodness for logic and planning, and the dumbfucks who question it,
    for otherwise we would have no real losers.

  20. Quoted message said:

    I realize that there is not one shred of
    evidence of performance enhancing drugs by Armstrong,

    David MILLAR never failed a test neither

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