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  1. dianne_1234 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (Carl Fogel) said:

    dianne_1234 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:47:44 GMT, jeffbonny <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >On 19 Jan 2004 15:01:20 -0800, [email hidden] (Gary Young) wrote:
    >
    >>You could buy just the stepped inserts for the Park tool for about $20:
    >>
    >>.com/index.cgi?id=150440547026&d=single&c=Tools&sc=Headset&tc=Press%20Set%20Parts&item_id=PA-
    >>530/2>
    >>
    >>Then use a threaded rod and nuts. You'd probably have to be more careful than with the Park
    >>tool to make sure the insert goes in straight, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
    >
    >it does and this is prob'ly the best way to do the job fer cheap. jeffb

    These look like a great "upgrade" to my all thread with washers and nuts.

    Anyone know the ID of these?

    Dear Dianne,

    Here's what seems to be the Park Tool page:

    parktool.com530 2.shtml

    They're apparently "step bushing cup adaptors," 530-2, for the HHP-1. Possibly they work with the
    newer HHP-2.

    Carl Fogel

    Thanks, Carl. I was wondering what diameter all-thread to buy to go with them.

    Dear Dianne,

    Oops.

    Park Tools says inside diameter is 0.87", or 22 mm.

    Carl Fogel

  2. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    In the real world, being a business owner, I often have to "put out fires."

    Can I nominate that for "understatement of the year", or is it too early in the year?

    Quoted message said:

    I shouldn't say this, but *I* wouldn't want that person as a customer. I'll bend over backward to
    give somebody the benefit of the doubt, but Wannagofast & his or her friends are not the people I'm
    in business to help.

    I can't think of anything wrong with saying that.

    Quoted message said:

    Aw heck, I'm not done yet. Home Depots return policies are a reflection of something very bad in
    this world- an attitude that there's little inherent value in anything, and nothing is to be
    repaired, just thrown away. In the old days, you didn't expect something that had broken to be
    replaced, or thrown out- you repaired it. But that's way too much hassle unless you have

    In the old days, such products cost significantly less to repair than to replace, most were quite
    repairable, and after repaired, they were as good as if they hadn't broken in the first place.

    Now, most products are cheaper to replace than to repair; many are not at all repairable; and most
    of the rest cannot be repaired well -- simple things are created by mass-production machines whose
    work cannot be duplicated by hand while repairing, and complex things are _so_ complex that
    repairing one problem inevitably leads to a cascade of other problems.

    Bicycles are one of the few things left that are well-repairable, but there aren't enough people
    able to diagnose and repair them well, and there isn't enough demand to create more such people.

    Quoted message said:

    happened, etc. And often it turns out they're simply not using it correctly, *or* they were sold
    the wrong thing etc. Both of those situations are hurt, not helped, by a no-questions-asked
    return policy.

    You know, that's a good point; I never thought of it that way. While it makes the consumer more
    comfortable, it doesn't necessarily result in a net benefit for the consumer, and certainly not one
    for the store.

    Quoted message said:

    Plus, there are the exceptionally-rare situations like Wannagofast that it encourages.

    True, although you've given a possible scenario for why big stores are happy to have those customers
    doing exactly that.

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry for the endless ramble & retail drivel. I should *not* hit the "send" icon on this one!!! But
    I will. But not before saying that I have

    Nothing to be sorry for. I'm glad you hit send.

    Do you often write messages and then cancel them, feeling better that you've said it but also not
    bothering others with it (or not continuing a flame war / feeding a troll) too?

    Quoted message said:

    exceptionally few customers like Wannagofast, and look forward to taking care of my customers every
    single day. They're great people, all
    99.999999999999% of them. Just keep me away from Wannagofast.

    To be fair, I suspect that many of the Wannagofasts of the world are reluctant to do the same thing
    to small businesses as big ones, due to the "big business can deal with it, who cares" factor.
    --
    Rick Onanian

  3. On 21 Jan 2004 08:09:43 -0800, [email hidden] (Gary Young)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >>com/index.cgi?id=150440547026&d=single&c=Tools&sc=Headset&tc=Press%20Set%20Parts&item_id=PA-
    > >>530/2>

    Thanks, Carl. I was wondering what diameter all-thread to buy to go with them.

    Diane, The bore is 22 mm, give or take a fraction of a mm.

    Thanks!

  4. "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    [snip]

    Dear Mike,

    Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.

    I usually flunked one or two out of twenty students in freshman English classes twenty years ago at
    a private university because they handed in essays copied from easily found books and magazines.

    I was considered an ogre.

    Working on a doctor's home computer a few years ago, I listened with great interest to him
    quarreling over the phone with a Canadian company that had sold him equipment to pirate cable
    television.

    He was upset about the warranty.

    Carl Fogel

  5. On 21 Jan 2004 12:20:23 -0800, [email hidden] (Carl Fogel)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Thanks, Carl. I was wondering what diameter all-thread to buy to go with them.

    Dear Dianne,

    Oops.

    Park Tools says inside diameter is 0.87", or 22 mm.

    That's 7/8" if you want a Home Hardware employee to find it fast. jeffb

  6. Quoted message said:

    Dear Mike,

    Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.

    You are correct, but it's better for business for me to be more optimistic in my estimates of such
    things. Even an honest person is going to have some difficulty with somebody who complains that (in
    your case) 5-10% of people are dishonest. Sigh.

    Quoted message said:


    I usually flunked one or two out of twenty students in freshman English classes twenty years ago
    at a private university because they handed in essays copied from easily found books and
    magazines.

    I'm glad you were able to teach them that lesson (the primary lesson being that cheaters do
    sometimes get caught, with consequences!).

    Quoted message said:

    I was considered an ogre.

    My kids sometimes call me "Dictator Dad." Does that count? :>😉

    Quoted message said:

    Working on a doctor's home computer a few years ago, I listened with great interest to him
    quarreling over the phone with a Canadian company that had sold him equipment to pirate cable
    television.

    He was upset about the warranty.

    Thanks for the example. It illustrates the fact that the people who cheat are, more often than not,
    those who can most certainly afford to get by without doing so. It becomes a game to see what one
    can get away with, and even things like Consumer Reports tell people that it's OK to go to a camera
    store and spend time with a salesperson, learning everything you can about the camera, but don't buy
    it there... use them as a resource, and buy it mail-order. They seem unable to connect the dots and
    recognize that eventually you won't have such "resources" available because they've all been put out
    of business.

    Quoted message said:


    Carl Fogel

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dear Mike,

    Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.


    Mike Jacoubowsky answered:

    Quoted message said:


    You are correct, but it's better for business for me to be more optimistic in my estimates of such
    things. Even an honest person is going to have some difficulty with somebody who complains that
    (in your case) 5-10% of people are dishonest. Sigh.

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with suspicion. |
    | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  8. Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dear Mike,

    Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.


    Mike Jacoubowsky answered:

    Quoted message said:


    You are correct, but it's better for business for me to be more optimistic in my estimates of
    such things. Even an honest person is going to have some difficulty with somebody who complains
    that (in your case) 5-10% of people are dishonest. Sigh.

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with suspicion.
    | | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+

    Dear Mike and Sheldon,

    It is also better to sell large, hard-to-shoplift items like bicycles to an upscale clientele
    through a small number of trustworthy employees. Local bike shops seem to find surveillance cameras
    less of an economic necessity than many stores.

    My honest students seemed to have no problems. Nor did the students whom I suspected with
    considerable reason, but whose apparent plagiarism could not be matched to a source.

    Without overwhelming written evidence (such as the gross and copious plagiarism that Martin Luther
    King committed in his doctoral dissertation at Boston University) or extraordinary circumstances (a
    dyslexic freshman handing in a graduate-level twelve-page essay comparing three obscure 19th century
    novels when the assignment was a four-page essay on a short story), there is no justification for
    raising the question with a student.

    I seem to recall a recent helmet thread in which numerous posters from cycling forums were accused
    of lying, cheating, and pretending to be different people. I like to think that my posts in their
    defense, tiresome as they were to read, show my attitude.

    A few people publicly changed their minds and even apologized. I don't recall any optimists joining
    me in defense of our guests here on rec.bicycles.tech. Perhaps they thought that it was better for
    the cycling forums members to be victimized than to speak up.

    Carl Fogel

  9. Quoted message said:

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with suspicion.
    | | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+

    Absolutely 100% in agreement with Mr. Hubbard. If you get your nose bloodied once in a while because
    you trust people, that's not such a terrible thing. To lose faith in humanity, that's a terrible
    thing. To have to go through life believing that you can trust no one, that everyone has an alterior
    motive, that each day you get up thinking you've got to watch out every minute of the day because
    somebody might be out to take advantage of you, or get a better deal on something...

    Maybe that's part of the appeal to working at a place like Enron. Take the lead in lies & deception,
    essentially an offensive posturing so you get yours because you're first in line (because there's
    nobody more evil or deceitful than you). A competition to the bottom.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

    "Sheldon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dear Mike,

    Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.


    Mike Jacoubowsky answered:

    Quoted message said:


    You are correct, but it's better for business for me to be more


    optimistic

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in my estimates of such things. Even an honest person is going to have


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    difficulty with somebody who complains that (in your case) 5-10% of


    people

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are dishonest. Sigh.

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with suspicion.
    | | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton,
    Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts
    shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  10. Carl Fogel said:

    Dear Mike and Sheldon, [snip] I seem to recall a recent helmet thread in which numerous posters
    from cycling forums were accused of lying, cheating, and pretending to be different people. I like
    to think that my posts in their defense, tiresome as they were to read, show my attitude.

    A few people publicly changed their minds and even apologized. I don't recall any optimists
    joining me in defense of our guests here on rec.bicycles.tech. Perhaps they thought that it was
    better for the cycling forums members to be victimized than to speak up.

    When you've been at this as long as Mike and I have, you won't read helmet threads either.

    Sheldon "Selectivity" Brown +------------------------------------+
    | I stood upon a high place, | And saw below, many devils | Running, leaping | And carousing in
    | sin. | One looked up, grinning, | And said "Comrade, Brother!" | --Stephen Crane |
    +------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772
    FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

  11. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the example. It illustrates the fact that the people who cheat are, more often than
    not, those who can most certainly afford to get by without doing so. It becomes a game to see what
    one can get away with, and even things like Consumer Reports tell people that it's OK to go to a
    camera store and spend time with a salesperson, learning everything you can about the camera, but
    don't buy it there... use them as a resource, and buy it mail-order. They seem unable to connect
    the dots and recognize that eventually you won't have such "resources" available because they've
    all been put out of business.

    I don't feel comfortable doing it, but there is nothing wrong with CR's advice. It gives the shop a
    chance to make the sale. If the shop won't come close enough on the price to make the sale at least
    they had the chance. It's easy to get up to speed on the internet on jsut about anything and make an
    educated purchase without ever setting foot in a store. To compete, the bricks and mortar store has
    to offer a total package satisfactory enough to make you want to leave the store with the item.

    JP

  12. The cool thing is that all these standards of behavior we expect of other people we ourselves break
    all the time.

  13. [email hidden] (Carl Fogel) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    I seem to recall a recent helmet thread in which numerous posters from cycling forums were accused
    of lying, cheating, and pretending to be different people. I like to think that my posts in their
    defense, tiresome as they were to read, show my attitude.

    A few people publicly changed their minds and even apologized. I don't recall any optimists
    joining me in defense of our guests here on rec.bicycles.tech. Perhaps they thought that it was
    better for the cycling forums members to be victimized than to speak up.

    Unfortunately, in this sort of interaction, where the protagonists are often thousands of miles
    apart, quick accusations are very easy. In fact, painless.

    Carl, you stupid jerk[1], writing just about any damn thing you want is easy because the person to
    whom you are speaking has absolutely no opportunity to look you in the eye and repeat the allegation
    "with a smile." And thus can make any allegation with impunity. Electronic courage is the norm.

    It may not be good or right, but it's a fact. Let's also throw in the fact that it was a helmet
    thread (!), and you have all the makings for a shouting match. Hey, if you want to have a civil
    discussion, how about talking about WMD in Iraq instead!

    Sheldon's point about it being a helmet thread is spot-on.

    With sad regards,

    R.F. Jones

    [1] To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Fogel is neither stupid nor a jerk. These words are merely an
    illustration of the ease with which perjorative commentary can be thrown around in a text-only
    forum in which the greatest physical danger comes from carpal tunnel syndrome.

  14. As a consumer, why not take advantage of the situation while it lasts and let the market sort things
    out? Everyone isn't capable of such brutal shopping policies, but there are some people who really
    just care about price.

    How is this any different from Shimano changing their mail order policy in response to the pressure
    the LBS have put on them? Or did all the local shops close and leave us with no resort but mail
    order, as you predict?

    -Dion

    "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    without doing so. It becomes a game to see what one can get away with,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    even things like Consumer Reports tell people that it's OK to go to a


    camera

    Quoted message said:

    store and spend time with a salesperson, learning everything you can about the camera, but don't
    buy it there... use them as a resource, and buy it mail-order. They seem unable to connect the
    dots and recognize that eventually you won't have such "resources" available because they've all
    been put out of business.

  15. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with
    | suspicion. | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+

    Absolutely 100% in agreement with Mr. Hubbard. If you get your nose bloodied once in a while
    because you trust people, that's not such a terrible thing. To lose faith in humanity, that's a
    terrible thing. To have to go through life believing that you can trust no one, that everyone has
    an alterior motive, that each day you get up thinking you've got to watch out every minute of the
    day because somebody might be out to take advantage of you, or get a better deal on something...

    Maybe that's part of the appeal to working at a place like Enron. Take the lead in lies &
    deception, essentially an offensive posturing so you get yours because you're first in line
    (because there's nobody more evil or deceitful than you). A competition to the bottom.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

    "Sheldon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Dear Mike,
    >
    >Your estimate of > 99% honesty may be high.

    Mike Jacoubowsky answered:

    Quoted message said:


    You are correct, but it's better for business for me to be more


    optimistic

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in my estimates of such things. Even an honest person is going to have


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    difficulty with somebody who complains that (in your case) 5-10% of


    people

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are dishonest. Sigh.

    +-------------------------------------------------------+
    | It is better to be victimized occasionally, | than to go through life filled with
    | suspicion. | --Elbert Hubbard |
    +-------------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton,
    Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts
    shipped Worldwide captainbike.comcaptainbike.com sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.com

    Dear Mike,

    Good lord, I hadn't realized how cynical I had become! I shall turn over a new leaf, just as soon as
    I figure out the point of this curious article on your fellow optimist's web-site:

    sheldonbrown.comlock strategy.html

    Meanwhile, don't forget to lock your store and set the burglar alarm when you leave tonight.

    Carl Fogel

  16. Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles said:

    ...even things like Consumer Reports tell people that it's OK to go to a camera store and spend
    time with a salesperson, learning everything you can about the camera, but don't buy it there...
    use them as a resource, and buy it mail-order.

    Heh. I often do it the other way around. I use the web sites (Performance, Nashbar, Sheldon, Muzi,
    etc.) and forums like this one to learn about a product. Then I visit the LBS and buy or order it.
    They might have something to add to the information I've already gathered, but sometimes they tell
    me stuff that I know is wrong. The most important thing they offer is the ability to get my hands on
    the gear, which is much better than looking at pictures.

    That doesn't work with anatomically important hardware like shoes, saddles, handlebars, etc. Those
    are things that I would not buy without trying them personally.

    I must add this important point: my LBS prices are typically 0-10% higher than mail order. I'm a
    regular customer and a member of the local bike club, so I think I get a better prices than Joe
    Sixpack. back when I did not get that discount, I bought more items via mail-order because the price
    differential was greater. So price is an issue.

    Dave dvt at psu dot edu

  17. Quoted message said:

    Dear Mike,

    Good lord, I hadn't realized how cynical I had become! I shall turn over a new leaf, just as soon
    as I figure out the point of this curious article on your fellow optimist's web-site:

    sheldonbrown.comlock strategy.html

    Meanwhile, don't forget to lock your store and set the burglar alarm when you leave tonight.

    Carl Fogel

    Carl: Not to worry. We have both a standard deadbolt *and* a big gnarly U-Lock across our front
    doors. The U-Lock appears to have a substantial deterrent effect, based on the fact that attempted
    break-ins ceased once we began using it.

    The other thing I discovered long ago is the magic of laminated safety glass. Amazing stuff. The
    standard window glass is tempered, and designed to break into a zillion little pieces at the
    slightest provocation (little non-sharp pieces, so you don't harm the thief). Wonderful stuff...
    with minimal effort the entire window goes away and you can back your pickup in and haul the stuff
    away. But the LAMINATED safety glass is almost impossible to get through, because you break it but
    it stays in place. The super-duper plastic laminate keeps it from breaking until you've spent enough
    time trying to get through that a cop comes by and asks if you need help.

    So... trust, but don't be stupid!

    As for you turning over a new leaf, I don't think you need to. I haven't noticed a problem with you
    selectively helping people. You've got the bug, and you probably get stepped on from time to time.
    But being a nice guy that's stepped on once in a while beats the alternative. Or maybe not
    (depending upon your outlook), but at least it helps to define oneself.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

  18. Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    When you've been at this as long as Mike and I have, you won't read helmet threads either.

    Sheldon "Selectivity" Brown

    Dear Sheldon,

    I couldn't help noticing that you posted this quote on another thread within 24 hours:

    Sheldon "All Handlebars Are Adjustable" Brown +---------------------------------------------------------------------
    +
    | It is amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. | --Robert A. Heinlein |
    +---------------------------------------------------------------------+

    Hope neither you, nor Mike, nor I is getting too mature.

    Carl Fogel

  19. bicyclette said:

    The cool thing is that all these standards of behavior we expect of other people we ourselves
    break all the time.

    I don't believe that. Most men are still honest.

    --
    Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  20. Quoted message said:

    As a consumer, why not take advantage of the situation while it lasts and let the market sort
    things out? Everyone isn't capable of such brutal shopping policies, but there are some people who
    really just care about price.

    It's fine that someone puts price above all else. There are certain things where I'd fit into the
    same category. What's questionable is to use a local retailer as a resource when there was never any
    intention of purchasing from them. A real-life example- somebody has a particular shoe on closeout,
    but the customer doesn't know what size they'd take. So, they come into the store on a busy Saturday
    and tie up a salesperson for a while, find a pair the fit perfectly and, when the salesperson gets
    ready to ring them up, the "customer" says "Oh, I just needed to find out what size I wear so I can
    get a closeout pair on last-year's model from Performance." It gets even better though- I asked
    (unbelievably nicely) why they didn't just go to the Performance Bicycles down the street from us.
    "Oh, your people have much better product knowledge and expertise than they do. They'd probably sell
    me the wrong size."

    Quoted message said:

    How is this any different from Shimano changing their mail order policy in response to the
    pressure the LBS have put on them? Or did all the local shops close and leave us with no resort
    but mail order, as you predict?

    There is no reason that an LBS should be charged exhorbitantly more for a component than a mail-
    order operation. Ideally, that would mean charging the bike shop less money (as opposed to charging
    the mail-order place more). The only pressure the LBSs of the world have put on Shimano is to level
    the playing field. We get *very* perturbed when it costs us more to buy a 12-27 DuraAce cassette
    from a wholesaler than it does from a retailer.

    As for LBSs closing up, no, all of them haven't, but there are far fewer today than there were 10
    years ago, and the trend has continued every single year. The fact that there are fewer LBSs, in
    and of itself, cries out for justice no more than the fact that there are fewer and fewer gas
    stations. There is less and less room for inefficiency and slack (in a business) all the time, as
    profit continues to get squeezed out of the manufacturing and service sectors of the economy. Those
    that survive will be the most efficient, but not necessarily the most helpful or supportive of
    cycling in the area.

    In the end, the world works just fine for the knowledgable enthusiast, who already knows quite a bit
    about the product and understands how to research things on the 'net. The loss is to the newcomer to
    the sport, who won't have as much direct exposure to the product (fewer stores) or expertise in
    fitting the bike, or a local source of knowledge about cycling opportunities in the area. We end up
    with an elitist group of cyclists that gets smaller and smaller over time (because there's fewer and
    fewer coming up through the ranks, due to fewer local bike shops).

    OF COURSE this all sounds self-serving! It's the business I chose to be in, and there's nothing else
    I'd rather do. I've had numerous opportunities to do the mail-order thing, but that's not what I'm
    here for. My mission is to get people onto bike, to make sure there's no reason their bike is
    sitting lonely in the garage, and to expand their ideas of what you can do on a bike. Those goals
    are best met by a local bike shop.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

    "Dion Dock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As a consumer, why not take advantage of the situation while it lasts and let the market sort
    things out? Everyone isn't capable of such brutal shopping policies, but there are some people who
    really just care about price.

    How is this any different from Shimano changing their mail order policy in response to the
    pressure the LBS have put on them? Or did all the local shops close and leave us with no resort
    but mail order, as you predict?

    -Dion

    "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    without doing so. It becomes a game to see what one can get away with,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    even things like Consumer Reports tell people that it's OK to go to a


    camera

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    store and spend time with a salesperson, learning everything you can


    about

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    the camera, but don't buy it there... use them as a resource, and buy it mail-order. They seem
    unable to connect the dots and recognize that eventually you won't have such "resources"
    available because they've all been put out of business.

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