Headaches later.

"spamfrog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by

ibuprofen.

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I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.
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Muzz

Caffeine withdrawal symptom?
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M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
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Malcolm Stewart said:

Caffeine withdrawal symptom?

I'm a four or five cups o' tea a day man rather than 10 cups of coffee,
could it still be a caffeine thing ?

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

I get that too, always assumed it was possibly dehydration as once I start
walking I dont like to stop so prob dont drink enough along the ay.

Gerald
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Malcolm Stewart said:

Caffeine withdrawal symptom?

I'm a four or five cups o' tea a day man rather than 10 cups of coffee,
could it still be a caffeine thing ?

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Muzz
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spamfrog said:

I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by ibuprofen.
I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.

Does your urine smell of acetone after a walk.
If it does this could be the cause of your headaches as could
dehydration.
Try to drink more on your walk and eat a pasta meal before setting
off.

Norman

spamfrog <[email hidden]> writes

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I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by ibuprofen.
I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.

Dehydration, most likely, I should think.
I have been getting headaches this last week which I think are a
combination of the cold weather, coupled with sinus problems or
migraine.
Light sensitivity from the bright sun and snow is another possible
factor, and I have made the background on news posts and emails less
glaring by using a duller screen colour.
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Gordon Harris

Gordon Harris said:

spamfrog <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by
ibuprofen.
I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.

Dehydration, most likely, I should think.
I have been getting headaches this last week which I think are a
combination of the cold weather, coupled with sinus problems or migraine.
Light sensitivity from the bright sun and snow is another possible
factor, and I have made the background on news posts and emails less
glaring by using a duller screen colour.

I'd go with this explanation too. Happened to me last weekend, which is
the first time for ages. I sispect this is because the drinking tube on
my Platypus froze up and I didn't drink as much/as often as I normally do.

I also think that dehydration can be MORE of a problem in winter as
you're less likely to stop for a drink and you aren't as aware of how
much you're perspiring.

druidh

"spamfrog" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?

It came up recently, have a look at these
<URL:http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=headaches+&btnG=Search&meta=group%3Duk.rec.walking>

Daytona

Daytona said:

It came up recently, have a look at these
<URL:http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=headaches+&btnG=Search&meta=group%3Duk.rec.walking>

Daytona

I actually drank more this time because I got the platypus but I am still
willing to explore the dehydration route. Can you get a powder to make up an
isotonic drink ? I used to use Hi 5 when cycling but think this is just
carbs ?

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

Oops should have googled before posting. I see they now do an isotonic
version.

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Muzz
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I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by
ibuprofen. I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.
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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

Interesting. A couple of questions Muzz....

How long's your walk?
How fast do you walk?
Do you wear more then 3 layers?
Have you had any alcohol the previous night?

That's the questions for dehydration...Now for phsyical pain.

What's your backpack like - small or large, light or heavy?
Footwear, the jolt of walking can vibrate up the spine.
Bright sunshine - can have a migraine affect.

Reading between the lines, it looks to me like some physical problem, not
dehydration. The thing with dehydrartion is that you'll notice your urine a
very dark yellow and a have a heavy thirst later on.

I'll guess (probably wrong as usual) that the backpack might not be properly
adjusted and your body (and neck) are over compensating. Once you've
started to relax, this is where the pain starts.

Jhimmy

Jhimmy wrote:
..> Interesting. A couple of questions Muzz....

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How long's your walk?
How fast do you walk?
Do you wear more then 3 layers?
Have you had any alcohol the previous night?

This one took around 7 hours
Perhaps I should have metioned that I do hillwalking. See the Mullach
Fraoch-choire post.
I was wearing 3 layers and had one glass of wine the night before.

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That's the questions for dehydration...Now for phsyical
pain.
What's your backpack like - small or large, light or
heavy?

What's heavy? It contained all the usual winter walking stuff.

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Footwear, the jolt of walking can vibrate up the spine.

Semi stiff winter boots, the walking was on snow.

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Bright sunshine - can have a migraine affect.

No sun, just cloud and snow and I wear photochromatic glasses.

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I'll guess (probably wrong as usual) that the backpack
might not be properly adjusted and your body (and neck)
are over compensating.

The shoulder straps take no weight, I use the belt tension to put the weight
through my hips.

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

Mmm, you've certainly covered all avenues. One thing, it doesn't look to me
like dehydration as this has happened a few times before - you look to be
quite experienced walker and would certainly know the systems - not during
the walk, but after the walk.

To prove how wrong I probably am, best to take a 1L flask of hot water and
drink that as you go around.

Be interested to know if this also happens in Summer as well.

Jhimmy

Seems like a lot of people reckon on dehydration as the cause of your
headaches. Thing is, it's hard to dehydrate in Britain, I've never been
able to lose more than a couple of litres in one strenuous day, which is'nt
that much water to lose.
I spend many summers in the South of Spain and Greece trekking at 38C,
sometimes losing about 4 litres of water without replacing it for 4-5
hours. I have yet to have a headace as a result of this dehydration. It's
not that I am that different. I also see people in the same situation as
me, sometimes much worse, they don't get headaches either.
This is my experience of how I and other people that I have seen in very
hot climates react to dehydration. It always surprises me that in Britain
the topic of dehydration is taken so seriously.

(Maybe British people have a complex of some kind with their water drinking
habits, in the Pyrenees I often see British people boiling and sterilising
glacier water before drinking it! Plus they have these strange floppy bags
in their rucksacks with tubes running over their shoulders to the mouth
(unhygenic or what?), or a little bottle of water in their hands which they
refuse to put away. As a guide I have felt quite tempted to loose people who
have to stop every 5 minutes for a [censored] due to drinking water all the time).

99% certain that your headaches are due to rucksack position. Trying to work
out how to adjust it is pointless, you need to be out on the hills walking a
lot more so that eventually you sort it by trial and error.
One another possibility, especially if you work and are really looking
forward to a trip in the hills, is that you don't get an uninterupted nights
sleep. Personally, I often find myself waking up 3-4 times in a night with
my neck half of a pillow, waiting for the alarm clock to ring.

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"spamfrog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I tend to get a headache several hours after finishing a walk. Has anyone
experienced this before?
It starts about two hours after finishing and is sorted easily by

ibuprofen.

Quoted message said:

I think I have had them before but just forgot about them.
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Muzz

Caffeine withdrawal symptom?
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M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

stephenjones said:

Seems like a lot of people reckon on dehydration as the cause of your
headaches. Thing is, it's hard to dehydrate in Britain, I've never been
able to lose more than a couple of litres in one strenuous day, which is'nt
that much water to lose.

Personal experience says otherwise.

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I spend many summers in the South of Spain and Greece trekking at 38C,
sometimes losing about 4 litres of water without replacing it for 4-5
hours. I have yet to have a headace as a result of this dehydration.

4 liters? Do you collect it somewhere?

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It's not that I am that different. I also see people in the same situation as
me, sometimes much worse, they don't get headaches either.
This is my experience of how I and other people that I have seen in very
hot climates react to dehydration. It always surprises me that in Britain
the topic of dehydration is taken so seriously.

(Maybe British people have a complex of some kind with their water drinking
habits, in the Pyrenees I often see British people boiling and sterilising
glacier water before drinking it!

Strange that British people should be so concerned about hygiene? Not
that I'd go to the extent of boiling or purifying galcier water. I
regularly drink water from streams and rivers in Scotland.

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Plus they have these strange floppy bags
in their rucksacks with tubes running over their shoulders to the mouth
(unhygenic or what?)

Oh, so now who's worried about hygiene?

The only concession to additional hygiene I would make is a little
"holder" for the mouthpiece. Saves it ending up on some sheep poo when I
put the sack down.

, or a little bottle of water in their hands which they

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refuse to put away. As a guide I have felt quite tempted to loose people who
have to stop every 5 minutes for a [censored] due to drinking water all the time).

As a punter, I'd soon tell any "guide" who came out with this to p*ss off!

druidh

stephenjones said:

99% certain that your headaches are due to rucksack
position. Trying to work out how to adjust it is
pointless, you need to be out on the hills walking a lot
more so that eventually you sort it by trial and error.

Mmm I've used it on about 30 Munros and a lot of other hills, when am I
going to get the knack of this very complicated piece of kit?
Heh heh heh.
Trouble is I have also had the headaches in the summer with a different
lighter sack.

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Muzz
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Jhimmy said:

Mmm, you've certainly covered all avenues. One thing, it
doesn't look to me like dehydration as this has happened
a few times before - you look to be quite experienced
walker and would certainly know the systems - not during
the walk, but after the walk.

To prove how wrong I probably am, best to take a 1L
flask of hot water and drink that as you go around.

Be interested to know if this also happens in Summer as
well.

Jhimmy

I know I've had the headaches before but I never really thought about it and
didn't make any mental notes.
I will certainly start making notes after a walk from now on and report back
to the ng.
I have ordered High5 isotonic powder in an attempt to remove dehydration
from my enquiries

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:53:32 -0000, "spamfrog"
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| I have ordered High5 isotonic powder in an attempt to remove dehydration
| from my enquiries

Surely water would be cheaper and just as effective.

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Dave F

Isotonic powders and drinks are a con. My chemist tells me 1 teaspoon salt
and half a teaspon suger in a litre of water (roughly speaking) is what they
give to cholera sufferers in the third world, it stops them dying of mineral
imbalance. Personally, when going for long walks in hot climates, I take a
few apples with me, that sorts out any mineral deficiencies.
For longer expeditions where mineral imbalance might become a problem then a
pocket full of dry fruit is fine.

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Jhimmy said:

Mmm, you've certainly covered all avenues. One thing, it
doesn't look to me like dehydration as this has happened
a few times before - you look to be quite experienced
walker and would certainly know the systems - not during
the walk, but after the walk.

To prove how wrong I probably am, best to take a 1L
flask of hot water and drink that as you go around.

Be interested to know if this also happens in Summer as
well.

Jhimmy

I know I've had the headaches before but I never really thought about it
and didn't make any mental notes.
I will certainly start making notes after a walk from now on and report
back to the ng.
I have ordered High5 isotonic powder in an attempt to remove dehydration
from my enquiries

--
Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

stephenjones said:

Isotonic powders and drinks are a con. My chemist tells me 1 teaspoon salt
and half a teaspon suger in a litre of water (roughly speaking) is what they
give to cholera sufferers in the third world, it stops them dying of mineral
imbalance. Personally, when going for long walks in hot climates, I take a
few apples with me, that sorts out any mineral deficiencies.
For longer expeditions where mineral imbalance might become a problem then a
pocket full of dry fruit is fine.

50/50 Fresh orange/water and a pinch of salt seems to work well for me.

I've seen folk take rehydrat with them on the hills. Not only do I think
this is overkill, but the stuff tastes awful!

druidh