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"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > [email protected] (Ingemar Svensson) wrote in message
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> > >
> > > You got it. That's at least the reason I don't like Armstrong, he's been too superior. You
> > > loose interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. That's the way it has been in
> > > the Tour the three last years before this tour. If all the races had been as close as this
> > > year and Armstrong still would have won the five in a row, the general opinion of him would
> > > have been a lot friendlier. I don't think the hostilities against Armstrong have anything to
> > > do with the person, it's just the disappointment of not getting the excitement of a close
> > > competition.
> >
> > Good point, I suppose that's why everyone hated Indurain.
>
> I didn't hate Indurain, but I thought the Tours that he won were very boring. I was glad when he
> was done.

Exactly -- hate is a ridiculous word unless someone cheats and lies.

The Indurain years were boring for sure -- but for someone to "hate" a Tour champ and yet actually
be a cycling fan? WTF?

-Ken
 
"Slider2699" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ilan Vardi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I don't think that irrational hatred of Lance Armstrong is necessarily anti-American sentiment,
> > though that does come into it to some extent. I believe that Serena Williams described it best
> > after her loss at the French Open final this year.
>
> People don't like the Williams sisters because they are classless boors. Period.
>

I agree that they are classless boors, and I don't like them either, but I still think race is the
major issue. There are, after all, white classless boors in women's tennis too (Jennifer Capriati
comes to mind) who would never get the treatment Serena got.
 
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> > I don't think that irrational hatred of Lance Armstrong is necessarily anti-American sentiment,
> > though that does come into it to some extent. I believe that Serena Williams described it best
> > after her loss at the French Open final this year.
>
> People don't like the Williams sisters because they are classless boors. Period.

I thought Serena handled the negative situation at the French Open final very well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/2003/french_open/news/2003/06/05/ser ena_distraught_reut/

It was a win which was greeted with euphoria by supporters who had gone overboard at times, cheering
the champion's double faults and leaving the American distraught.

"It was a tough crowd out there ... the story of my life," Serena said before breaking
down in tears.

Wiping her eyes, she sobbed: "I am not used to crying, I am sorry.

"I can get up here and say 'You know, I can do it ... it is easy'. But deep down it kind of hurts.

"It is just difficult when people are booing and screaming in between points.

"It's just difficult. It was a fight, that's all. I am going to have to learn how to win.

"Got to keep smiling ... I think if you keep smiling, things work out."

<snip
 
"trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they come from the islands.) I know an African
> American woman who has lived in Paris long enough that she speaks very good French. Sometimes she
> puts on more of an American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if they don't think
> she's from the DOM-TOM.
>
> Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in France than racisism against African
> Americans is in the US, Though at the same time, I'd say that French-North Africans are better
> integrated than African Americans are in the US.
>

Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the Academie Francaise?

>
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> >
> > "Dashi Toshii" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
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> > > > > "Ilan Vardi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]... that and the fact that the French
> > > > > are racist bastards.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed-D, Ed-D ! That comment is silly (saying it mildly). Our most
> beloved
> > > > tennis star is Yannick Noah. Don't forget that just even with a
> Breton
> > > > name, his tan is darker than most.
> > > >
> > > > You just didn't have anything to say, and managed to do it
> economically.
> > > > For that, good job !
> > >
> > > If the French are racist, what are Americans?
> > >
> >
> > definitely racist, but on a different level.
> >
> > > Didn't many of the great Black entertainers of the 1930's, 1940's and
> 1950's
> > > go to France so that they could work in an atmosphere free from hate and bigotry?
> >
> > "FREE from hate and bigotry"? Are you not exaggerating a wee bit?
> >
> > >
> > > Josephine Baker comes to mind.
> > >
> > > Sports great:
> > >
> > > Jack Johnson comes to mind.
> > >
> > > Ask any Black WWII veteran what their experience was in France.
> > >
> > > Most never wanted to return to the U.S. and many that made it through
> WWII
> > > alive, didn't.
> > >
> > > France has always been seen as a land of opportunity for people of
> colour!
> > >
> > > Dashii
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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>and she ended up crying at the post game press conference. Anyway, she said that she definitely did
>not feel that the situation had any relation to her American nationality, but rather to the fact
>that the public hates a winner who dominates the competition.

I'm glad to see she didn't chalk it up to her race. It takes maturity for a star black athlete to
leave race tactics behind. She hit the nail mostly. The public gets bored by and turns on
overwhelmingly dominant players with rare exception. The only addition is, I think, some anti-U.S.
feelings after the Iraq war.

Doug
 
>There are two kinds of people in this world I can't stand. People that are intolerant of other
>people's cultures and the Dutch.

rotflmao!
 
"Nick Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ... The way Indurain dominated was extremely boring. No showmanship. Only a few times did he
> really extend himself in the mountains. There was a stage in 2994 that comes to mind where he was
> battling with Luc Leblanc and lost for the stage. He was really flying though.

2994! I guess they'll really be flying then on their neutron bikes. None of this archaic
gravity B.S.

Rick H
 
"Slider2699" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> People don't like the Williams sisters because they are classless boors. Period.

IMHO, both sisters, win or lose, have always been quite gracious during interviews before/after a
tennis match, giving credit to their competition with nary a negative word. Davenport complained
once that they're aloof, but I think with reason, because they have to grow tough skins to compete
in a mostly white tennis community and crowd.

Serena handled the undeserved hostility at the French with grace.

Back to biking, Rick H
 
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>
> You got it. That's at least the reason I don't like Armstrong, he's been too superior. You loose
> interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. That's the way it has been in the Tour
> the three last years before this tour. If all the races had been as close as this year and
> Armstrong still would have won the five in a row, the general opinion of him would have been a lot
> friendlier. I don't think the hostilities against Armstrong have anything to do with the person,
> it's just the disappointment of not getting the excitement of a close competition.

Yeah, I lost interest in Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan long ago. They were too superior. You
lose interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. Oh wait, Woods hasn't won every
major, and Jordan didn't win every championship. But I guess Lance is a lock to win every time he
gets on a bike.

Rick H
 
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Our most beloved
> tennis star is Yannick Noah. Don't forget that just even with a Breton name, his tan is darker
> than most.
And isn't Virenque a Pied Noir from Morocco? All the best Dan G
 
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> >
> > "Ilan Vardi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > I don't think that irrational hatred of Lance Armstrong is necessarily anti-American
> > > sentiment, though that does come into it to some extent. I believe that Serena Williams
> > > described it best after her loss at the French Open final this year.
> >
> > People don't like the Williams sisters because they are classless boors. Period.
> >
>
> I agree that they are classless boors, and I don't like them either, but I still think race is the
> major issue. There are, after all, white classless boors in women's tennis too (Jennifer Capriati
> comes to mind) who would
never
> get the treatment Serena got.
>
But when Capriati loses there is no doubt she lost based on her ability. When Venus or Serena lose
to each other, the doubt is there. They don't seem to play each other as hard as they play others,
and their father does cast a pall over both of them. Plus, their obnoxiousness is far worse than
Capriati's, IMHO.
 
rick h wrote:
> Yeah, I lost interest in Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan long ago. They were too superior. You
> lose interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. Oh wait, Woods hasn't won every
> major, and Jordan didn't win every championship. But I guess Lance is a lock to win every time he
> gets on a bike.
>
If he doesn't it's because he means to lose.
 
"Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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>
> "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they come from the islands.) I know an
> > African American woman who has lived in Paris long enough that she speaks very good French.
> > Sometimes she puts on more of
an
> > American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if they don't
think
> > she's from the DOM-TOM.
> >
> > Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in France than
racisism
> > against African Americans is in the US, Though at the same time, I'd say that French-North
> > Africans are better integrated than African Americans
are
> > in the US.
> >
>
> Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the Academie
Francaise?

I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of directors of the Smithsonian
Institute? Does it matter?
> >
> > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> > news:lvyXa.8751$W%[email protected]...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dashi Toshii" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > "Ilan Vardi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]... that and the fact that the
> > > > > > French are racist bastards.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed-D, Ed-D ! That comment is silly (saying it mildly). Our most
> > beloved
> > > > > tennis star is Yannick Noah. Don't forget that just even with a
> > Breton
> > > > > name, his tan is darker than most.
> > > > >
> > > > > You just didn't have anything to say, and managed to do it
> > economically.
> > > > > For that, good job !
> > > >
> > > > If the French are racist, what are Americans?
> > > >
> > >
> > > definitely racist, but on a different level.
> > >
> > > > Didn't many of the great Black entertainers of the 1930's, 1940's
and
> > 1950's
> > > > go to France so that they could work in an atmosphere free from hate
and
> > > > bigotry?
> > >
> > > "FREE from hate and bigotry"? Are you not exaggerating a wee bit?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Josephine Baker comes to mind.
> > > >
> > > > Sports great:
> > > >
> > > > Jack Johnson comes to mind.
> > > >
> > > > Ask any Black WWII veteran what their experience was in France.
> > > >
> > > > Most never wanted to return to the U.S. and many that made it
through
> > WWII
> > > > alive, didn't.
> > > >
> > > > France has always been seen as a land of opportunity for people of
> > colour!
> > > >
> > > > Dashii
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[email protected] (rick h) wrote in message
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> [email protected] (Ingemar Svensson) wrote in message
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>
> >
> > You got it. That's at least the reason I don't like Armstrong, he's been too superior. You loose
> > interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. That's the way it has been in the Tour
> > the three last years before this tour. If all the races had been as close as this year and
> > Armstrong still would have won the five in a row, the general opinion of him would have been a
> > lot friendlier. I don't think the hostilities against Armstrong have anything to do with the
> > person, it's just the disappointment of not getting the excitement of a close competition.
>
> Yeah, I lost interest in Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan long ago. They were too superior. You lose
> interest in a competition if you know how it will end up. Oh wait, Woods hasn't won every major,
> and Jordan didn't win every championship.

You're right, Tiger and Jordan didn't win it all, all the time. But golf and basketball are
different sports than cycling. In cycling, especially during a stage race like the tour, you know
that the strongest rider will probably win. The problem with Lance and the tour is that you know
that he is the strongest. In other cycling races you most often don't know who is the strongest
before the competition is over. Even when you know that Tiger or Jordan is the best
golfer/basketball player that doesn't mean they will win every time. That's the difference.

>But I guess Lance is a lock to win every time he gets on a bike. Rick H
No, only during the Tour. But that's the only venue where I have a problem with Armstrong. It's only
there that he most often destroys the excitement of the race. In other races you know that Armstrong
is probably not at his highest peak form since he's always in a build up before the tour.
 
"trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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> "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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> >
> > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they come from the islands.) I know an
> > > African American woman who has lived in Paris long enough that she speaks very good French.
> > > Sometimes she puts on more of
> an
> > > American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if they don't
> think
> > > she's from the DOM-TOM.
> > >
> > > Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in France than
> racisism
> > > against African Americans is in the US, Though at the same time, I'd say that French-North
> > > Africans are better integrated than African Americans
> are
> > > in the US.
> > >
> >
> > Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the Academie
> Francaise?
>
> I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of directors of the Smithsonian
> Institute? Does it matter?

No, that doesn't. But the Academie Francaise is a much bigger deal to France than the Smithsonian
Institute is to the U.S..

How many French North Africans are there in the various houses of parliament? How about in the
courts? How about the supreme court?

> > >
> > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Dashi Toshii" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > "Ilan Vardi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]... that and the fact that the
> > > > > > > French are racist bastards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed-D, Ed-D ! That comment is silly (saying it mildly). Our most
> > > beloved
> > > > > > tennis star is Yannick Noah. Don't forget that just even with a
> > > Breton
> > > > > > name, his tan is darker than most.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You just didn't have anything to say, and managed to do it
> > > economically.
> > > > > > For that, good job !
> > > > >
> > > > > If the French are racist, what are Americans?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > definitely racist, but on a different level.
> > > >
> > > > > Didn't many of the great Black entertainers of the 1930's, 1940's
> and
> > > 1950's
> > > > > go to France so that they could work in an atmosphere free from hate
> and
> > > > > bigotry?
> > > >
> > > > "FREE from hate and bigotry"? Are you not exaggerating a wee bit?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Josephine Baker comes to mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sports great:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack Johnson comes to mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask any Black WWII veteran what their experience was in France.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most never wanted to return to the U.S. and many that made it
> through
> > > WWII
> > > > > alive, didn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > France has always been seen as a land of opportunity for people of
> > > colour!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dashii
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they come from
the
> > > > islands.) I know an African American woman who has lived in Paris
long
> > > > enough that she speaks very good French. Sometimes she puts on more
of
> > an
> > > > American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if they don't
> > think
> > > > she's from the DOM-TOM.
> > > >
> > > > Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in France than
> > racisism
> > > > against African Americans is in the US, Though at the same time, I'd
say
> > > > that French-North Africans are better integrated than African
Americans
> > are
> > > > in the US.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the Academie
> > Francaise?
> >
> > I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of directors
of
> > the Smithsonian Institute? Does it matter?
>
> No, that doesn't. But the Academie Francaise is a much bigger deal to
France
> than the Smithsonian Institute is to the U.S..
>
> How many French North Africans are there in the various houses of
parliament?
> How about in the courts? How about the supreme court?

although charges of racism in france should not be dismissed, mass immigration of n.africans started
~40 years ago. how many vietnamese migrants to the us are in the positions you are inquiring about?
i.e. you should not be comparing apples and oranges.

next, how do you figure the average life expectancy of n.african youth in france compares to that of
african american males?

http://www.youthoutlook.org/stories/1998/11/11/drylongso.no.o.html

are you done now?
 
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5g0Ya.50969$cF.18343@rwcrnsc53...
> > > I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of
directors
> of
> > > the Smithsonian Institute? Does it matter?
> >
> > No, that doesn't. But the Academie Francaise is a much bigger deal to
> France
> > than the Smithsonian Institute is to the U.S..
> >
> > How many French North Africans are there in the various houses of
> parliament?
> > How about in the courts? How about the supreme court?
>
> although charges of racism in france should not be dismissed, mass immigration of n.africans
> started ~40 years ago. how many vietnamese migrants to the us are in the positions you are
> inquiring about? i.e. you should not be comparing apples and oranges.
>
> next, how do you figure the average life expectancy of n.african youth in france compares to that
> of african american males?
>
> http://www.youthoutlook.org/stories/1998/11/11/drylongso.no.o.html
>
> are you done now?

Anecdotally, I hear its worse for Asians in France than it is here.

K. Gringioni Asian
 
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:5g0Ya.50969$cF.18343@rwcrnsc53...
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> "Ed-D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:M4_Xa.11839$W%[email protected]...
> > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they come from
> the
> > > > > islands.) I know an African American woman who has lived in Paris
> long
> > > > > enough that she speaks very good French. Sometimes she puts on more
> of
> > > an
> > > > > American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if they don't
> > > think
> > > > > she's from the DOM-TOM.
> > > > >
> > > > > Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in France than
> > > racisism
> > > > > against African Americans is in the US, Though at the same time, I'd
> say
> > > > > that French-North Africans are better integrated than African
> Americans
> > > are
> > > > > in the US.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the Academie
> > > Francaise?
> > >
> > > I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of directors
> of
> > > the Smithsonian Institute? Does it matter?
> >
> > No, that doesn't. But the Academie Francaise is a much bigger deal to
> France
> > than the Smithsonian Institute is to the U.S..
> >
> > How many French North Africans are there in the various houses of
> parliament?
> > How about in the courts? How about the supreme court?
>
> although charges of racism in france should not be dismissed, mass immigration of n.africans
> started ~40 years ago. how many vietnamese migrants to the us are in the positions you are
> inquiring about? i.e. you should not be comparing apples and oranges.
>
> next, how do you figure the average life expectancy of n.african youth in france compares to that
> of african american males?
>
> http://www.youthoutlook.org/stories/1998/11/11/drylongso.no.o.html
>
> are you done now?
>

done with what? done trying to argue with a manipulative ***** like yourself? You should be so
lucky. As disgusted as I am with your hypocrisy, lies, and all-around ********, I'm not going to sit
by idly while this nonsense goes unexposed. First of all the statistics on that page are neither
here nor there (and you accuse me of comparing apples to oranges? Hypocrite?). You're going to have
to do a little better than pointing me to the web site of some film (which, if I'm not mistaken, was
made in Hollywood of all places). Assuming the statistics on that web site are even accurate (highly
unlikely, but I digress), they say nothing about treatment of minorities in France or the U.S.,
nothing about civil and economic rights, and, most glaringly, NOTHING about life expectancy of
"North African youth". And even if it did, how is that relevant? How are you going to use that as a
statistic to support your claim of differing degrees of racism in the U.S. and France? Has it
occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the point of that movie is to make a statement about black
males vis-a-vis black females and not blacks vis-a-vis whites or, even more preposterously, blacks
in the U.S. compared to Africans in France? If you ask me, that blatant lack of understanding belies
an ignorant, patronizing attitude that is essentially no better (and far more dishonest and
manipulative) than overt racism.

Now kindly crawl back into your cave and please, if you do want to waste your time replying to this,
do so in your own words...don't point me to some stupid web site.
 
"Ed-D" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:M4_Xa.11839$W%[email protected]...
> > > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ed-D" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "trg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > France is not racists against blacks per se (unless they
come from
> > the
> > > > > > islands.) I know an African American woman who has lived
in Paris
> > long
> > > > > > enough that she speaks very good French. Sometimes she
puts on more
> > of
> > > > an
> > > > > > American accent so she'll get treated better in stores if
they don't
> > > > think
> > > > > > she's from the DOM-TOM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Racism against North African (arabs) is more open in
France than
> > > > racisism
> > > > > > against African Americans is in the US, Though at the same
time, I'd
> > say
> > > > > > that French-North Africans are better integrated than
African
> > Americans
> > > > are
> > > > > > in the US.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah? How many French North Africans are there in the
Academie
> > > > Francaise?
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea. How many African Americans are on the board of
directors
> > of
> > > > the Smithsonian Institute? Does it matter?
> > >
> > > No, that doesn't. But the Academie Francaise is a much bigger
deal to
> > France
> > > than the Smithsonian Institute is to the U.S..
> > >
> > > How many French North Africans are there in the various houses
of
> > parliament?
> > > How about in the courts? How about the supreme court?
> >
> > although charges of racism in france should not be dismissed, mass immigration of n.africans
> > started ~40 years ago. how many
vietnamese
> > migrants to the us are in the positions you are inquiring about?
i.e. you
> > should not be comparing apples and oranges.
> >
> > next, how do you figure the average life expectancy of n.african
youth in
> > france compares to that of african american males?
> >
> > http://www.youthoutlook.org/stories/1998/11/11/drylongso.no.o.html
> >
> > are you done now?
>
> done with what? done trying to argue with a manipulative ***** like
yourself?
> You should be so lucky. As disgusted as I am with your hypocrisy,
lies, and
> all-around ********, I'm not going to sit by idly while this
nonsense goes
> unexposed. First of all the statistics on that page are neither here nor there
(and you
> accuse me of comparing apples to oranges?

Did you like the part where it said that 70% of black men would be dead or unemployed as if that
were in some manner equal fates?

I am a white man that grew up in the Oakland ghetto. Very few of the black men I went through school
with were unsuccessful. The reason was simple - when I grew up black families were still together.
It was the Liberal assholes who decided that blacks needed to be coddled and offered welfare to
blacks as long as there wasn't a man in the house. That destroyed the black family unit and is the
prime reason that blacks are in such dire peril in the USA compared to other countries where welfare
rules are not in the slightest bit similar.

Hypocrite?). You're going to have
> to do a little better than pointing me to the web site of some film
(which, if
> I'm not mistaken, was made in Hollywood of all places). Assuming
the
> statistics on that web site are even accurate (highly unlikely, but
I
> digress), they say nothing about treatment of minorities in France
or the
> U.S., nothing about civil and economic rights, and, most glaringly,
NOTHING
> about life expectancy of "North African youth". And even if it did,
how is
> that relevant? How are you going to use that as a statistic to
support your
> claim of differing degrees of racism in the U.S. and France? Has it
occurred
> to you that maybe, just maybe, the point of that movie is to make a
statement
> about black males vis-a-vis black females and not blacks vis-a-vis
whites or,
> even more preposterously, blacks in the U.S. compared to Africans in
France?
> If you ask me, that blatant lack of understanding belies an
ignorant,
> patronizing attitude that is essentially no better (and far more
dishonest and
> manipulative) than overt racism.
>
> Now kindly crawl back into your cave and please, if you do want to
waste your
> time replying to this, do so in your own words...don't point me to
some stupid
> web site.
 
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