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On Wed, 09 May 2007 19:00:59 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'll take your word for it on the definition, but the act of taking
first base without hitting the ball or being awarded a walk is certainly
more akin to a base-steal than anything else.

But I assume it is not recorded as such, merely as a special-case play.

Not really. Scoring-wise, it is pretty much the same as scoring from
third on a wild pitch or a passed ball, other than the run scored. A
steal can't be because of an error on the part of the defensive
player. Conversely, if the scorer rules that the steal would have been
successful regardless of the covering throw or missed catch (common at
second), there is no error on the part of either thrower or receiving
defensive player. A steal is mutually exclusive from an error of any
kind on the part of the defensive player.

Since taking first on either the pitcher's wild throw or the catcher
creating a passed ball requires a recorded error on one or the other,
it is not really like a steal at all, other than the runner better
move his butt down the line.

FWIW, not all steals are steals. If the other team really doesn't give
a [censored], and it shows, it isn't a steal. So someone trying to rack up
steals when their team is down by 10-11 runs probably is wasting their
time, other than practice.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Wed, 09 May 2007 14:16:12 -0500, Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

I seem to remember it happening a couple of years ago in either a
playoff, or critical late season regular game and it was big news for
a while because it was such a heads up play.

And again, not really. It happens often enough that every hitter
SHOULD be prepared, but then, some wouldn't bother. Anyway, it is
scored as a strike and either a passed ball or a wild pitch, depending
on whether the catch or pitch is at fault.

I went and looked it up, on the third strike the catcher must catch and maintain
possession for the put out. Otherwise the play is at first unless there's
already a man on base, in which case the batter's out anyway.

And yep, it isn't scored as a steal, but as a K for the pitcher and a E on the
catcher.

Does bring up the interesting possibility of just taking a whiff and running
like hell if the pitcher flings wild with two strikes. Nobody's that quick, but
....

Ron

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Tom Kunich said:

You mean like Lafferty, Munro, Amit ("like basso, he had the option to
submit to additional tests that could clear him."😉, Leo from Europe,
dupedcyclist,
patch70 ("Did you see the list of doping products he was taking?"😉, etc.

Dumbass,
Its about time SchwartzSoft upgraded your memory. Please tell me where I
supported WADA or any of the righteous indignation crowd:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/f780a9d660e33a78

Donald, remember that once you've offended the Tom-bot, no matter how
trivial it may have seemed, the default setting is for him to assume
that you oppose him on every position, no matter what the record may
show. Lists like the above are randomly generated.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Curtis L. Russell said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

No, seriously non-baseball fans, it is possible to "steal" first, though
I don't know if that's how the play is recorded when it happens.

Its not. Stealing by definition is advancing one base beyond one that
is earned: taking first on a dropped ball is not stealing. At one
time, long ago, you could steal first from second - this actually has
value in very limited situations - but that is no longer permitted
either.

So, no stealing first.

Dumbass,

It's like a virtual TdF win. If the pitcher had thrown a different
pitch or if an air current between mound and plate had been
slightly different, the batter would often have grounded out
rather than reaching first on a weak bloop (I never thought it
was fair that a single is a ball not hit far enough to reach the
outfielder, either.) So the batter often hasn't really earned
first base, and is virtually stealing it. It's a game of inches,
as they say. This is all part of the new WADA code: running
the game the way it ought to be in a perfect world, rather
than the way it is.

Ben
Passport Control, RBR Virtual World

Howard Kveck said:

Donald, remember that once you've offended the Tom-bot, no matter how
trivial it may have seemed, the default setting is for him to assume
that you oppose him on every position, no matter what the record may
show. Lists like the above are randomly generated.

Maybe its a pseudo-random permutation of the Kunich gaylist.

Quoted message said:

Passport Control, RBR Virtual World

And in that capacity you would never accept any favours from Bassos's
sister to allow her in if she was an illegal alien.

Donald
Incorruptible WADA PGBIC (Podium Girl Breast Implant Checker)

On 5/9/07 9:20 AM, in article [email hidden],

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>
> Besides, even if I (or anyone else) didn't actually
> ride, what difference does that make?

The fact that you don't ride has shown more than once in the idiotic ideas
you seem to have about racing. You're one of those guys who proves how much
he knows about baseball by telling us about how you stole first base.

Not easy to steal first.

Ron

But possible. I would be impressed by the baseball savvy and skills of
anyone who has managed the trick.

No, seriously non-baseball fans, it is possible to "steal" first, though
I don't know if that's how the play is recorded when it happens.

An exercise for the reader,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncaught_third_strike

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RonSonic said:

And yep, it isn't scored as a steal, but as a K for the pitcher and a E on the
catcher.

Not necessarily. The scorer can also score it a K for the pitcher and
a wild pitch - possible when the batter swings at a bad pitch and
misses. It would be interesting to see which happens most often.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis L. Russell said:

RonSonic said:

And yep, it isn't scored as a steal, but as a K for the pitcher and a E on the
catcher.

Not necessarily. The scorer can also score it a K for the pitcher and
a wild pitch - possible when the batter swings at a bad pitch and
misses. It would be interesting to see which happens most often.

Listen, you fap-fap-fapping Cracker Jack kids, stick with cycling.
Baseball attracts the wrong element. All that talk of choking up on
your bat, balls, patting each other on the butt, etc., is a thinly
disguised homoerotic endeavo(u)r. Not that there's anything wrong
with that.

Just stick to the more manly sport of cycling where there's nothing
even vaguely [censored] about it. You'd have to be pretty twisted to see
anything light in the loafers about shaving your legs, wearing garish
skin tight clothing without underwear and buttering up your ass before
you participate.

R

On 10 May 2007 07:38:04 -0700, RicodJour <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Listen, you fap-fap-fapping Cracker Jack kids, stick with cycling.
Baseball attracts the wrong element. All that talk of choking up on
your bat, balls, patting each other on the butt, etc., is a thinly
disguised homoerotic endeavo(u)r. Not that there's anything wrong
with that.

Just stick to the more manly sport of cycling where there's nothing
even vaguely [censored] about it. You'd have to be pretty twisted to see
anything light in the loafers about shaving your legs, wearing garish
skin tight clothing without underwear and buttering up your ass before
you participate.

Well, for the record, most of what I know about baseball was learned
while I should have been studying for a physics or chem class, which
is why I ended up being a business major. 1968-1970, sitting in front
of Holmes Hall at Michigan State, in the days before Denny McLain
became Michigan's most famous drug sales offender (minor connection to
bicycling, although I think it was all heavy duty recreational drugs),
watching the Detroit Tigers hold off the Boston Red Sox and other
minor dramas. Mostly through the haze induced by either or both Strohs
beer and/or Bali Hai 'wine', with occasional visits by Budweiser and
Paisano (I think). My two compatriots in crime best known for both
having dated the same Detroit mob guy's niece (at different times) and
both feeling time was better and safer spent in East Lansing, not
Detroit.[ I OTOH was only trying to avoid a father that happened to be
a Marine pilot that was actually an inch too tall and 30 pounds too
heavy to be allowed to fly. I figured he used the same intimidation on
them that he used on me. Linda, OTOOH, was about 4'10", maybe 80
pounds and the cutest... nevermind, almost worth the threat of death.]

Mickey Lolich, Denny McLain, Pat Dobson, last days of Norm Cash and Al
Kaline, with amusingly the power hitter named Willie Horton. AFAIK,
not THE Willie Horton.

Old transgressions. Nowadays I have trouble getting through an Orioles
game and the Nationals don't really play baseball. Maybe I need more
beer and wine, but then it becomes a Livedrunk(c) event.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Donald Munro said:

Its about time SchwartzSoft upgraded your memory.

You don't know the difference between "bugs" and "features."