On May 3, 12:28 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
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On May 3, 11:06 am, [email hidden] wrote:
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As it turned out we're still wondering how he could have tested positive since he was supposedly using his own blood. Crossed bags with Oscar? They don't have the same blood type.
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Do we know this for certain? I don't recall ever reading that anywhere. The bag-crossing seemed one of the more plausible explanations.
I'm amazed the blood type of the two riders has never been disclosed, along with the blood type associated with the minority component of each's positive blood sample.
It seems no brainer. A 2-way match could be fairly conclusive.
laudien i think was the first proponent of that theory. but the other more likely possibility is simply that perez and hamilton were both using homologous transfusions.
Crazy and unproven? Isn't the basis of the American justice system that you have to prove guilt and not defend against assertion?
dumbass,
why do you INSIST on confusing doping cases with AMERICAN CRIMINAL TRIALS ?
IN A CRIMINAL CASE if this was the arguement the prosecution would want to SEE that evidence. in a doping case the WADA code prohibits that kind of evidence gathering.
on the other hand like basso, he had the option to submit to additional tests that could clear him.
if hamilton does have chimeric blood he will get popped again unless he has a medical exemption for his condition.
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Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:
Crazy and unproven? Isn't the basis of the American justice system that you have to prove guilt and not defend against assertion?
dumbass,
why do you INSIST on confusing doping cases with AMERICAN CRIMINAL TRIALS ?
Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if there's no doubt at all.
Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if there's no doubt at all.
Wake up doofus.
Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans.
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Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if there's no doubt at all.
Wake up doofus.
Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans.
Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call someone else a duffus.
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Tom Kunich said:
Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if there's no doubt at all.
Wake up doofus.
Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans.
Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call someone else a duffus.
He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make different?
Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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"patch70" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Tom Kunich Wrote: > Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee > costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a > reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and > you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if > there's no doubt at all. Wake up doofus.
Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans.
Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call someone else a duffus.
He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make different?
It's because you look slightly less silly threatening to beat the living [censored] out of someone because of an argument on usenet if it is plausible you could actually find them in person.
Sometimes, the small things make all the difference.
Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:
"patch70" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Tom Kunich Wrote: >> Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee >> costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a >> reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and >> you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if >> there's no doubt at all. > Wake up doofus. > > Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans.
Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call someone else a duffus.
He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make different?
It's because you look slightly less silly threatening to beat the living [censored] out of someone because of an argument on usenet if it is plausible you could actually find them in person.
Sometimes, the small things make all the difference.
The real dumbass move here is assuming that the people with real-looking names are using real names. Just because patch70 advertises his pseudonymity doesn't mean he's alone.
I think I'll start posting as Jennifer 8 Lee,
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:
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In article <[email hidden]>, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "patch70" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message news:[email hidden]... >> Tom Kunich Wrote: >>> Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee >>> costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a >>> reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and >>> you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if >>> there's no doubt at all. >> Wake up doofus. >> >> Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans. > Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call > someone else a duffus. He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make different?
It's because you look slightly less silly threatening to beat the living [censored] out of someone because of an argument on usenet if it is plausible you could actually find them in person.
Sometimes, the small things make all the difference.
The real dumbass move here is assuming that the people with real-looking names are using real names. Just because patch70 advertises his pseudonymity doesn't mean he's alone.
I think I'll start posting as Jennifer 8 Lee,
We'd all think you were cuter then, and you'd get more responses. Maybe you'd get someone else to pay for the drinks...
"Fred Fredburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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[email hidden] wrote: > On May 2, 8:19 pm, [email hidden] wrote: >> On May 2, 6:23?pm, Michael Press <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> In article >>> <[email hidden]>, >>> ?shane <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>> I dont think it would have mattered, they seem to like applying >>>> double and triple jeopardy to bike racers, at least from what weve >>>> seen with the resurrection of Puerto..Spain closed the case, italy >>>> reopens, if it closes in italy, then the french will re open, etc... >>> As in ping-ponging std's. >>> -- >>> Michael Press >> How will Tyler pass drug tests for the Giro?? What about his dead twin >> coarsing through his veins????? > > I predict that one day you will grow a brain. Hamilton didn't suggest > that he had a twin, he provided an explanation of how the test could > show positive while not being so. Well, I wasn't at the hearing so I probably have no right to comment BUT:
Hamilton says something that sounds a lot like what you said ("examples we provided while making our case"😉 but he then indicates that the possibility of having a chimera should be enough to clear him when he says:
"I can never prove whether or not I had a twin in utero. No one can. And USADA agreed that it is impossible to prove that someone is chimeric. It was difficult to understand how USADA could argue, and the Panel could accept, that it was somehow my burden to prove something (chimerism) that USADA had agreed was impossible to prove. "
I recall numerous discussions about the burden of proof in these cases, That seems to be Hamilton's point. But I can see how it could be interpreted otherwise too. Especially if I was inclined to believe Hamilton's guilt I could convince myself that Hamilton has resorted to a crazy, unprovable defense.
Crazy and unproven? Isn't the basis of the American justice system that you have to prove guilt and not defend against assertion?
I might go a bit further than that and say that my own notions of justice are firmly tied to the proposition that guilt must be proven by the accusers. The bit about proving your own innocence feels unjust to me.
So, in a general sense I agree with you. In Hamilton's specific case, I don't have a strong opinion about his guilt one way or the other. While Hamilton is probably right when he says "it is impossible to prove that someone is chimeric", repeated blood tests might prove that they are not. I'm not aware of Hamilton ever submitting to that. You know that if he ever rides a protour event it's going to happen. That would put a truly non-chimeric Hamilton in the awkward position of HAVING to blood dope in order to maintain his story of innocence.
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote: > >> "patch70" <[email hidden]> wrote in >> message news:[email hidden]... >>> Tom Kunich Wrote: >>>> Maybe it's just the fact that some nitwitted jackass in a referee >>>> costume can take away a man's entire livlihood and ruin a >>>> reputation built on a decade of very hard work on a whim and >>>> you're perfectly satisfied to parrot whatever is said as if >>>> there's no doubt at all. >>> Wake up doofus. >>> >>> Everyone is doping. Even - God forbid - Americans. >> Someone that is afraid to post under their own name oughtn't to call >> someone else a duffus. > He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or > her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make > different? > It's because you look slightly less silly threatening to beat the living [censored] out of someone because of an argument on usenet if it is plausible you could actually find them in person.
Sometimes, the small things make all the difference.
The real dumbass move here is assuming that the people with real-looking names are using real names. Just because patch70 advertises his pseudonymity doesn't mean he's alone.
I think I'll start posting as Jennifer 8 Lee,
We'd all think you were cuter then, and you'd get more responses. Maybe you'd get someone else to pay for the drinks...
She has a reputation for throwing great parties, though,
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
We'd all think you were cuter then, and you'd get more responses. Maybe you'd get someone else to pay for the drinks...
He'll be heather v2.0. Perhaps Kunich will even marry him.
Over my dead fake female body,
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
The real dumbass move here is assuming that the people with real-looking names are using real names. Just because patch70 advertises his pseudonymity doesn't mean he's alone.
I think I'll start posting as Jennifer 8 Lee,
It could also be he/she is actually named patch70.
I'm going to adopt "Maxine Headroom," or maybe "Bill Asher" as sort of a weird "Ron Jeremy" type joke hardly anyone will get.
It could also be he/she is actually named patch70.
Sounds like a dogs name ("out, out, damned patch70" doesn't have quite the ring as "out, out, damned spot" though). Perhaps its an in joke and patch70 actually appears on the Fuentes list.
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I'm going to adopt "Maxine Headroom," or maybe "Bill Asher" as sort of a weird "Ron Jeremy" type joke hardly anyone will get.
Try Bill Clinton. You'll have plenty of wingnut admirers here and on rbt.
Try Bill Clinton. You'll have plenty of wingnut admirers here and on rbt.
Wing nuts are an interesting fastener, worthy of admiration. Why would we who admire wing nuts have any special affinity for this 'Bill Clinton' character?
It's the "hanging onto ears while getting screwed" thing.
Try Bill Clinton. You'll have plenty of wingnut admirers here and on rbt.
Wing nuts are an interesting fastener, worthy of admiration. Why would we who admire wing nuts have any special affinity for this 'Bill Clinton' character?
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
Wing nuts are disreputable fasteners, and were properly replaced by quick-release skewers in the only half-sensible application they ever had.
Everywhere else, they're saying "this item is too cheap to bother with Dzus fasteners" or "since you don't want to be bothered with a wrench, here's a fastener that, once it sticks a bit, you'll have to use a vise-grip to remove."
I am an enemy of Bill W,
-- Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
Try Bill Clinton. You'll have plenty of wingnut admirers here and on rbt.
Wing nuts are an interesting fastener, worthy of admiration. Why would we who admire wing nuts have any special affinity for this 'Bill Clinton' character?
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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He consistently posts as Patch70 - that's the name we know him (or her?) by. That's good enough. What would knowing a "real" name make different?
Anyone that agrees with your position is good enough for you. But then you're a real doofus - you don't ride and you post to the motorcycle groups as well with the same stupid [censored] you post here.
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I might go a bit further than that and say that my own notions of justice are firmly tied to the proposition that guilt must be proven by the accusers. The bit about proving your own innocence feels unjust to me.
Well, plainly that goes against the belief system of the majority of posters here who are more than willing to believe rumors, internet myths and just-supposes.
