Gunk on Chain

Mark Janeba said:

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Michael Press wrote:

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But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

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"A coating of GLEITMO™, the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."

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"Is GLEITMO™ grease?"

Smörjmedel
Smörjmedel är främst avsedda att minska friktionen mellan två mot
varandra glidande/rullande ytor. Även andra krav kan ställas på ett
smörjmedel som t.ex. tätningsförmåga, korrosionsskydd,
värmeledningsegenskaper etc. Mycket förenklat kan sägas att om inte
luft eller vatten kan användas som smörjmedel så är man oftast
hänvisad till någon form av olja. Smörjolja förekommer
huvudsakligen i två former: Olja eller fett. Ett fett är en olja med
ett förtjockningsmedel. Olja finns i olika viskositeter och i olika
kemiska former. De flesta oljor är idag olika typer av mineraloljor
utvunna ur råolja. Det finns dock även vegetabiliska oljor som t.ex.
rapsolja, syntetiska estrar, polyalfaolefiner, polyglykoler, silikoner,
perfluorerade polyetrar och många fler. De allra flesta smörjmedel
är dessutom additiverade för att förstärka/förändra vissa
egenskaper. Exempel på detta kan vara EP-additiv för att minska
skärningsrisken, AW-additiv för att minska slitaget, antioxidanter,
korrosionsinhibitorer m.m. Om smörjmedlet används i form av fett
tillkommer dessutom valet av en mängd olika förtjockningsmedel med
var för sig specifika egenskaper som t.ex. litium & litiumkomplex
(vilka är de vanligaste), aluminiumkomplex, bariumkomplex, natrium &
natriumkomplex samt övriga som t.ex. polyurea, bentonit, kalcium, PTFE
m.m. I fett används dessutom ofta icke reaktiva fasta smörjämnen
för att förstärka antiskärnings- och slitageskyddsegenskaperna.
Exempel på sådana är molybdendisulfid, grafit, PTFE samt en lång
rad olika kalcium- och zinkföreningar. Att hitta rätt smörjmedel
för en viss specifik applikation kan vara som att leta efter en nål i
en höstack, i synnerhet om applikationen inte är lika väldefinierad
som t.ex. smörjkraven i en förbränningsmotor. Det är oftast
lönsamt att redan från början anlita en specialist på området för
att kunna stöta och blöta sina idéer med någon från branschen.
Följande tabeller är endast avsedda att användas som en enkel
överblick över vårt produktprogram. Vid närmare intresse -
rekvirera teknisk produktinformation från oss via e-mail under knappen
KONTAKTA OSS. Vi rekommenderar alltid att Ni konsulterar oss innan en
produkt testas praktiskt.

gleitmo 582; 582 Spray
White Chain Lubricant
White, adhesive, semi-synthetic grease with gleitmo White Solid
Lubricants, which is liquified with a solvent for easy penetration into
the cavities of the chain. After evaporation of the solvent a tacky,
adhesive grease film is formed, which is resistant to acids and lyes,
protects against corrosion and can neither be thrown off nor washed
away by water.
APPLICATION AREAS:
Slow speed, high speed and power transmitting chains of all types at
temperatures from -15 ºC to +120 ºC, also where resistance to water
and
steam, acids and lyes is required.
White adhesive chain grease for highest requirements

So there.

"Michael Press" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <441717e2.0@entanet>,

Zog The Undeniable said:

Michael Press said:

Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their
chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently
that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know
that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy
substance. What is it?

I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a
Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different
special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for
roller chains.

In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just
oil thickened with soap.

But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

--
Michael Press

NO! It's an insidious plot by the bicycle chain manufacturers' cartel,
colluding to make their products fail prematurely by coating all new chains
with a product that looks, smells, feels, and has all the outwards signs of
being a lubricant, but actually isn't! It MUST be removed and replaced with
special, third-party chain lubricant (after using a special, third-party
chain cleaner of course) or all manner of unspecified disaster will occur.
Don't say you weren't warned, when your chain breaks and is shortly followed
by your neck doing the same, if you fail to yield to the prevailing
paranoia.

Cal

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In article
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Peter Cole said:

Michael Press said:

In article <441717e2.0@entanet>,
Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Michael Press wrote:
>
>
>>Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their
>>chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently
>>that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know
>>that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy
>>substance. What is it?
>>
>
>I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a
>Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different
>special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for
>roller chains.
>
>In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just
>oil thickened with soap.

But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

As been stated a bazillion times:

"A coating of GLEITMO? the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."

(From SRAM site) -- FGI

Those bazillion time do not answer the question.

--
Michael Press

Absolutely correct!

Every time some voice of reason raises this valid question, the chain
manufacturers send out their shills to speak sweet reassurances to the
masses and lull them back into their dull acceptance that chain prep is
equivalent to an actual lubricant. Resist!

Cal

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>Michael Press wrote:
>>Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their
>>chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently
>>that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know
>>that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy
>>substance. What is it?

Quoted message said:

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Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:
>I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a
>Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different
>special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for
>roller chains.
>In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just
>oil thickened with soap.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press said:

But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

Quoted message said:

Peter Cole said:

As been stated a bazillion times:
"A coating of GLEITMO, the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."

Michael Press said:

Those bazillion time do not answer the question.

Oh, fer cryin out loud open a box, separate one link, wipe
the grease on your finger. . .

Do you have something to say about the fine semantic line
betweeen a very heavily bodied oil and a grease -which is
that with a soap binder? I don't see the practical
difference. If it is not a true grease but rather a very
thick oil - which behaves the same - what possible
difference would it make for our purpose here?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

41 said:

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press wrote:

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> But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"A coating of GLEITMO™, the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."

Quoted message said:

"Is GLEITMO™ grease?"

Smörjmedel

Well, that settles it. I for one will no longer lube my chain
with anything other than Smörjmedel. I will ride all the
way to Sweden to get Smörjmedel if I have to. I don't care
if nitpickers and petty little minds try to tell me that Smörjmedel
is just Swedish for "grease." I just like the way it sounds.
Smörjmedel smörjmedel smörjmedel.

Happy Smörjmedel to all,
Ben

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41 said:

Mark Janeba said:

> Michael Press wrote:

Quoted message said:

>> But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

Quoted message said:

> "A coating of GLEITMOT, the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
> provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt
> fighters."

Quoted message said:

"Is GLEITMOT grease?"

Smörjmedel

Well, that settles it. I for one will no longer lube my chain
with anything other than Smörjmedel. I will ride all the
way to Sweden to get Smörjmedel if I have to. I don't care
if nitpickers and petty little minds try to tell me that Smörjmedel
is just Swedish for "grease." I just like the way it sounds.
Smörjmedel smörjmedel smörjmedel.

Happy Smörjmedel to all,
Ben

I /feel/ Smörjmedelled.

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I don't care
if nitpickers and petty little minds try to tell me that Smörjmedel
is just Swedish for "grease." I just like the way it sounds.
Smörjmedel smörjmedel smörjmedel.

Happy Smörjmedel to all,
Ben

OK, who told you how to pronounce it?

41 said:

Mark Janeba said:

Quoted message said:

Michael Press wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"A coating of GLEITMO™, the finest chain lubricant in the industry,
provides superior combination of friction protectio n and dirt fighters."

Quoted message said:

"Is GLEITMO™ grease?"

Smörjmedel

Apparently people are so anti-Swedish that no one could bear it long
enough to scroll down to the English:

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gleitmo 582; 582 Spray
White Chain Lubricant
White, adhesive, semi-synthetic grease with gleitmo White Solid
Lubricants, which is liquified with a solvent for easy penetration into
the cavities of the chain. Afte r evaporation of the solvent a tacky,
adhesive grease film is formed, which is resistant to acids and lyes,
protects against corrosion and can neither be thrown off nor washed
away by water.
APPLICATION AREAS:
Slow speed, high speed and power transmitting chains of all types at
temperatures from -15 ºC to +120 ºC, also where resistance to water
and
steam, acids and lyes is required.
White adhesive chain grease for highest requirements

So there.

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From the Swedish part deleted above and from common sense, I presume

"White Solid Lubricants" refers to teflon. Oh, and by the way,
"Smörjmedel" means lubricant, not necessarily grease. However, in this
case it is (mostly).