Peter, what do you use to clean them, and what is your preferred lube after they are clean?
Thanks
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Zog The Undeniable said:
philcycles said:
Sorry, not. The stuff is a protectant, not a lubricant. Clean it throughly and use a real chain lube.
No, it's an excellent lubricant. You think bike shops clean the chains on new bikes? The stuff used by SRAM is made by Gleitmo and is a special lubricant for roller chains.
Why yes we do, take the crappola off. It attracts dirt better than anything I have seen. New bikes from other places come in for service, with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that is stuck to the chain. You might as well use 15w-30 if you like the stuff on new chains.
I guess we can argue as to whether or not a 'light grease' is also a preservative and rust inhibator(of course it is), but I have seen LOTS of chains that have not had the 'light grease' taken off and thy collect dirt in nothing flat.
Have you seen that happen to chains with the coating removed from the outside but left inside?
JT
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Peter, what do you use to clean them, and what is your preferred lube after they are clean?
Thanks
WD-40, wipe off, let dry a bit then ProLink.
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Zog The Undeniable said:
philcycles wrote:
> Sorry, not. The stuff is a protectant, not a lubricant. Clean it > throughly and use a real chain lube.
No, it's an excellent lubricant. You think bike shops clean the chains on new bikes? The stuff used by SRAM is made by Gleitmo and is a special lubricant for roller chains.
Why yes we do, take the crappola off. It attracts dirt better than anything I have seen. New bikes from other places come in for service, with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that is stuck to the chain. You might as well use 15w-30 if you like the stuff on new chains.
Isn't it interesting that some of the same people who accuse manufacturer's of being stingy and underlubing their hubs at the factory seem to think these same manufacturer's are slathering their chains in a very effective lubricant?
So...
a) Are the chain divisions more altruistic than the hub divisions?
b) Maybe the hubs *aren't* underlubed, after all?
c) Maybe the stuff on the chains isn't such a great lube?
I say it's a poor choice of stuff to put on a chain, not the amount but what it is. Rememeber that shimano chains, as well as many others, are made in a no name factory, then labeled.
New bikes from other places come in for service, with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that is stuck to the chain. Y ou might as well use 15w-30 if you like the stuff on new chains.
You say they are new but if they are black from dirt and [censored] they have been ridden. Chains do not have dirt and [censored] on them when new from the box and I don't believe they are picking it up sitting on the showroom floor in a bike shop. Since they have been ridden, you don't know what conditions they have been ridden in and what further lubricant has been added by the user.>
>New bikes from other places come in for service, > with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that > is stuck to the chain. Y ou might as well use 15w-30 if you like the > stuff on new chains.
You say they are new but if they are black from dirt and [censored] they have been ridden. Chains do not have dirt and [censored] on them when new from the box and I don't believe they are picking it up sitting on the showroom floor in a bike shop. Since they have been ridden, you don't know what conditions they have been ridden in and what further lubricant has been added by the user.>
But, what Mr. Chisholm *does* know is that bikes that come out of his shop, where the chain gunk is removed and then a lube is carefully added, don't come in for service with chains that are "black from dirt and [censored] that is stuck to the chain". Chances are, most of the bikes under discussion have been ridden in similar conditions in similar areas.
Isn't it interesting that some of the same people who accuse manufacturer's of being stingy and underlubing their hubs at the factory seem to think these same manufacturer's are slathering their chains in a very effective lubricant?
So...
a) Are the chain divisions more altruistic than the hub divisions?
b) Maybe the hubs *aren't* underlubed, after all?
c) Maybe the stuff on the chains isn't such a great lube?
I say it's a poor choice of stuff to put on a chain, not the amount but what it is.
So, we'll put you down for "c". (and that's my vote, too, FWIW)
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Rememeber that shimano chains, as well as many others, are made in a no name factory, then labeled.
I haven't used Shimano chains since the "narrow" Uniglide era In those days, I had very good luck with both D-A and Ultegra level chains, they shifted very well and seemed to last. At that time, I was under the impression the Shimano did make their own chains.
> >New bikes from other places come in for service, > > with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that > > is stuck to the chain. Y ou migh t as well use 15w-30 if you like the > > stuff on new chains.
You say they are new but if they are black from dirt and [censored] they have been ridden. Chains do not have dirt and [censored] on them when new from the box and I don't believe the y are picking it up sitting on the showroom floor in a bike shop. Since they have been ridden, you don't know what conditions they have been ridden in and what further lubricant has been added by the user.>
But, what Mr. Chisholm *does* know is that bikes that come out of his shop, where the chain gunk is removed and then a lube is carefully added, don't come in for service with chains that are "black from dirt and [censored] that is stuck to the chain". Chances are, most of the bikes under discussion have been ridden in similar conditions in similar areas.
I don't see that it is a matter of chance. I expect many of the customers purchasing from Vecchio's are rather finicky and treat their equipment correspondingly. How many shops of his calibre do you think his city (Boulder?) can support? The rest would then be representatives of the Great Unwashed and Over-Lubricated, people and chains.
>New bikes from other places come in for service, > with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that > is stuck to the chain. Y ou might as well use 15w-30 if you like the > stuff on new chains.
You say they are new but if they are black from dirt and [censored] they have been ridden. Chains do not have dirt and [censored] on them when new from the box and I don't believe they are picking it up sitting on the showroom floor in a bike shop. Since they have been ridden, you don't know what conditions they have been ridden in and what further lubricant has been added by the user.>
It' s easy to feel the gunkola on them, even tho they are dirty plus an ask to the owner, 'ever clean the chain', always comes with a thousand yard stare. No problem, the chain's not dead and we clean and lube them correctly. And we still clean all new chains we put on, makes for less $ spent later, ya know. By the cutomer and us.
But ya know, do whatever you want, it's your chain.
> >New bikes from other places come in for service, > > with chains that were not cleaned and are black from dirt and [censored] that > > is stuck to the chain. Y ou might as well use 15w-30 if you like the > > stuff on new chains.
You say they are new but if they are black from dirt and [censored] they have been ridden. Chains do not have dirt and [censored] on them when new from the box and I don't believe they are picking it up sitting on the showroom floor in a bike shop. Since they have been ridden, you don't know what conditions they have been ridden in and what further lubricant has been added by the user.>
It' s easy to feel the gunkola on them, even tho they are dirty plus an ask to the owner, 'ever clean the chain', always comes with a thousand yard stare.
OK but what I meant would have instead been encapsulated by the question "ever oil the chain?".
Okay. First, as mentioned above, many chains are shipped pre-lubricated with stuff that's better at protecting the chain than just about anything that you can buy as chain lube yourself. Most of the rest are shipped with a lube applied that's at least as good as the best you can buy. Washing off the factory lube before installation is a bad idea; just take the new chain from the package, match it for length to the old one, and install it. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations for cleaning and re-lube as needed.
We've already established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that grease is a good lubricant for bike chains. The best thing you can do is to degrease a Shimano chain before using it, and apply a chain lube to it that won't attract dirt like fly paper.
Okay. First, as mentioned above, many chains are shipped pre-lubricated with stuff that's better at protecting the chain than just about anything that you can buy as chain lube yourself. Most of the rest are shipped with a lube applied that's at least as good as the best you can buy. Washing off the factory lube before installation is a bad idea; just take the new chain from the package, match it for length to the old one, and install it. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations for cleaning and re-lube as needed.
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We've already established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that grease is a good lubricant for bike chains. The best thing you can do is to degrease a Shimano chain before using it, and apply a chain lube to it that won't attract dirt like fly paper.
What is bad about greased bicycle chains other than you should wipe off excess external grease before use? How did you determine that grease is a bad chain lubricant? Besides, needn't call others crazy to make your points about lubricants.
Okay. First, as mentioned above, many chains are shipped pre-lubricated with stuff that's better at protecting the chain than just about anything that you can buy as chain lube yourself. Most of the rest are shipped with a lube applied that's at least as good as the best you can buy. Washing off the factory lube before installation is a bad idea; just take the new chain from the package, match it for length to the old one, and install it. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations for cleaning and re-lube as needed.
We've already established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that grease is a good lubricant for bike chains. The best thing you can do is to degrease a Shimano chain before using it, and apply a chain lube to it that won't attract dirt like fly paper.
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
Yes, Werehatrack chased all the info down, you could Google it.
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for roller chains.
In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just oil thickened with soap.
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
Yes, Werehatrack chased all the info down, you could Google it.
Nowhere does he say that it is grease. He gives a trade name, and says that the preparation applied to SRAM chains must cure for two days. Does not sound like grease to me. Also he does not report on Shimano's chain preparation.
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We've already established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that grease is a good lubricant for bike chains. The best thing you can do is to degrease a Shimano chain before using it, and apply a chain lube to it that won't attract dirt like fly paper.
I repeat. Where is it established that manufacturer's chain preparation is grease?
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for roller chains.
In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just oil thickened with soap.
But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?
Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it?
I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for roller chains.
In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just oil thickened with soap.
But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?
As been stated a bazillion times:
"A coating of GLEITMO™, the finest chain lubricant in the industry, provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."
>Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their >chains with grease'? I do not remember an article recently >that presents strong evidence for the assertion. I know >that the chain ships with a slick, somewhat gummy >substance. What is it? >
I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for roller chains.
In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just oil thickened with soap.
But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?
As been stated a bazillion times:
"A coating of GLEITMO, the finest chain lubricant in the industry, provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."
> Have we actually `established that Shimano lubes their chains with > grease'? I do not remember an article recently that presents strong > evidence for the assertion. I know that the chain ships with a > slick, somewhat gummy substance. What is it? >
I don't know about Shimano, but the SRAM factory lubricant is made by a Swedish company called Gleitmo, who in turn make dozens of different special-purpose lubricants including at least one specifically for roller chains.
In any case, there's a fine line between oil and grease; grease is just oil thickened with soap.
But is the manufacturer's chain preparation grease?
As been stated a bazillion times:
"A coating of GLEITMO™, the finest chain lubricant in the industry, provides superior combination of friction protection and dirt fighters."
(From SRAM site) -- FGI
Just 'cuz it's a KLEENEX™ doesn't mean it isn't a tissue. Just 'cuz it's VASELINE™ doesn't mean it isn't petroleum jelly. Just 'cuz it's GLEITMO™ doesn't mean it isn't grease.
So, to make it plain, the question is, "Is GLEITMO™ grease?"
