Gum disease? MOI?

They were simply wrong in thinking that it could be stopped and they caught
it too late in the first place. Sorry.

Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from
:> mom and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant
:> flossing, water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in
:> fact, that plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both
:> sides, right up to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune
:> of 1200 bucks.
:>
:> The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
:> gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been
:> doing different?"
:>
:> I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I
:> felt....if I told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both
:> feet, blaming my worsening gums on my diet.
:> ---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.
:>
:> Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
:> LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had
:> "early and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
:> then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin
:> upper teeth for SOME reason.....?
:>
:> The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six
:> months ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum
:> disease and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen
:> anybody's gums go that much worse in a six month period. Ive been
:> taking this thing real seriously for the last six months,
:> BTW---religiously flossing, water pic-ing after every single meal.
:> In other words, Ive done everything he told me to do, at our last
:> visit, that he was confident would stop the progress of the disease.
:>
:> I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.
:>
:> WTF???
:>
:> Any ideas on this?
:>
:> It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum
:> disease before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.
:>
:> Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since
:> last visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I
:> mean...going from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My
:> God....what has happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is
:> pretty frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years
:> of NO treatment to see a plummet like this.
:>
:> Freakin out---
:> LassChance
:>
:> 5-16-05 202/182/162

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:55:08 -0400, [email hidden] (Lass

Chance_2) said:

I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.

Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early
and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper
teeth for SOME reason.....?

My gum disease got a lot better after I started low-carbing. No sugar
and no soft drinks were a good thing.

Marilyn

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from mom
and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant flossing,
water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in fact, that
plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both sides, right up
to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.

The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"

I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.

Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early
and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper
teeth for SOME reason.....?

The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.

I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.

WTF???

Any ideas on this?

It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum disease
before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.

Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since last
visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I mean...going
from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My God....what has
happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is pretty
frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years of NO
treatment to see a plummet like this.

Freakin out---
LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Don't know if it means anything but I was told by my dentist not to use
mouthwash because it's too harsh, and I also had a problem with gum disease.
Mine has improved considerably with using tee-pees (little brushes) instead
of floss.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance_2) said:

Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from mom
and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant flossing,
water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in fact, that
plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both sides, right up
to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.

Increase your vitamin C intake and include Bioflavenoids.

See if you can heal them first before letting them yank teeth! :-(

Quoted message said:

The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"

I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.

Well, unless you are supplementing, you CAN get some deficiencies
avoiding fruit, especially if you are not getting enough fresh veggies.
Lowering calories alone can cause some deficiencies, but we've been down
this road before. ;-)

If you need some supplement suggestions, I'd be glad to help.

Quoted message said:

Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early
and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper
teeth for SOME reason.....?

See above.

Dieting, no matter WHAT type of diet, can cause nutritional
deficiencies! This is why taking good supplements is pretty much
mandatory IMHO.

Quoted message said:

The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.

I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.

WTF???

Any ideas on this?

See above.
I think it still might be correctible if you get on it NOW!

Quoted message said:

It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum disease
before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.

Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since last
visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I mean...going
from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My God....what has
happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is pretty
frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years of NO
treatment to see a plummet like this.

Freakin out---
LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited
|| from mom and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite
|| constant flossing, water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so
|| much worse, in fact, that plans are now to remove all of my
|| upper molars on both sides, right up to my canines. A partial
|| plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.
||

Improper use of flossing and waterpicing can cause problems gum
problems to worsen. I find it doubtful that LC-ing was the
cause.
Have you ever checked your Blood Glucose levels? The onset of
Type II diabetes and elevated BGs can cause dramatic changes in
gum diseases.

-BJ
--
"A common mistake that people made when trying to design
something completely foolproof was to underestimate the
ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"

Have you had a blood test for diabetes recently? - peridontal disease (and
any kind of fungus/infection nasty) gets much worse with high blood glucose.
I had some when my diabetes was diagnosed, which has completely gone away
now I've established good control.

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/76/72Kg

Lass Chance_2 said:

The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.

I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.

WTF???

Any ideas on this?

My dad went from just barely detectible problems one year to
severe bone loss the next year, so it happens.

By chance he told my brother the veterinarian and asked if
there's any animal treatment for such a problem. My brother
suggested he start taking 3000-4000 mg of oyster shell
calcium daily for a year. That's a few tablets at every
meal plus at bedtime.

Within a year half of dad's bone loss had reversed and the
dentist through it was a miracle. Two year later it was
all reversed and he's since tapered off to 1000-1500 mg
daily to maintain.

3000-4000 is a very large dosage, and oyster shell calcium
is perhaps the least absorbable type. But Dad's body was
calcium deficient so his body did absorb it.

Saying this helped my Dad isn't saying it will help you,
but calcuim supplements aren't toxic even in large dosages.
It may be worth a try to take several times the normal
dosage.

Lass Chance_2 said:

Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from mom
and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant flossing,
water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in fact, that
plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both sides, right up
to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.

The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"

I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.

Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early
and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper
teeth for SOME reason.....?

The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.

I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.

WTF???

Any ideas on this?

It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum disease
before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.

Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since last
visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I mean...going
from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My God....what has
happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is pretty
frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years of NO
treatment to see a plummet like this.

Freakin out---
LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Do you happen to be aware of the fact that one of the main and most
obvious symptoms of sub-clinical scurvey happens to be soft, bleeding
and receding gums. Kinda sounds a bit like "gum disease" don't it.

Try 1000 or 2000 mgs of vitamins C four times a day with food. I'll bet
dollars to donuts that your next visit to the dentist will be much much
better. Then ask him or her why they are so completely ignorant of the
value of vitamin for gum health.

There are no toxicity issues whatsoever with vitamin C. The worse that
can happen if you take too much is you get the runs, just cut back a
bit, it is called the bowel tolerance level.

It ain't in the genes, it's in the diet. The fact that your parents
lost all their teeth has little bearing on anything except as an
indication of their general diet and their vitamin C intake at the
time.

TC

BJ---no kidden? Hmmm. Well, I had blood drawn yesterday, too and should
receive the results in a day or two.

I have lots of diabetes on both sides of the family...and my last blood
sugar, before I started LCing WAS somewhat elevaed.

Thanks for the heads-up---

Re: Gum disease? MOI?

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 3:55pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (BJ in Texas)
Lass Chance_2 <[email hidden]> wrote: || Well....yesterday at
the dentist, I learned that my inherited || from mom and pop gum disease
is much, much worse, despite || constant flossing, water-pic-ing and
Listerine swishing....so || much worse, in fact, that plans are now to
remove all of my || upper molars on both sides, right up to my canines.
A partial || plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.
||
Improper use of flossing and waterpicing can cause problems gum problems
to worsen. I find it doubtful that LC-ing was the cause.
Have you ever checked your Blood Glucose levels? The onset of Type II
diabetes and elevated BGs can cause dramatic changes in gum diseases.
-BJ
--
"A common mistake that people made when trying to design something
completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools." -- Douglas Adams

LassChance~
5-16-05 202/182/162

Nicky---Im looking into it. Blood results shoul arrive in a day or two.
Thanks.

LassChance~
5-16-05 202/182/162

Doug---well....if oyster shell calcium is the least
absorbable...shouldnt I take sme other kind? Do you know what kind is
MOST absorbable?

This is very good news---if it worked for him, it sure could for me,
too....and at least I wont lose the bottom teeth, too...amybe. Thanks
very much---

Re: Gum disease? MOI?

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 9:11am (EDT-3)
From: [email hidden] (Doug Freyburger)
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.
I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.
WTF???
Any ideas on this?
My dad went from just barely detectible problems one year to severe bone
loss the next year, so it happens.
By chance he told my brother the veterinarian and asked if there's any
animal treatment for such a problem. My brother suggested he start
taking 3000-4000 mg of oyster shell calcium daily for a year. That's a
few tablets at every meal plus at bedtime.
Within a year half of dad's bone loss had reversed and the dentist
through it was a miracle. Two year later it was all reversed and he's
since tapered off to 1000-1500 mg daily to maintain.
3000-4000 is a very large dosage, and oyster shell calcium is perhaps
the least absorbable type. But Dad's body was calcium deficient so his
body did absorb it.
Saying this helped my Dad isn't saying it will help you, but calcuim
supplements aren't toxic even in large dosages. It may be worth a try to
take several times the normal dosage.

LassChance~
5-16-05 202/182/162

TC---uh...yeah, it sure does sound a lot like what Ive got.....and Im
embarrassed to admit, I do not take vitamin C...beause many years ago,
when the "Take C to cure a cold" came out, I gobbled a bunch (3000mg)
and within four hours had about a dozen "cold sores" (Herpes Simplex)
all over my face--- The doc said I could not tlerate the acidity of
vitamin C. Is there a less acidic form. I wonder? I would hate to go
thru that again...I looked like a Leper. ...very bad and lasted about
five weeks. Painful, too.

I wll look for some kind that isnt so acidic---and start with a low dose
and work up to a bigger one. thanks for getting my attention, LOL---this
would have never occured to me.

Re: Gum disease? MOI?

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 9:49am (EDT-3)
From: [email hidden]
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from mom
and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant flossing,
water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in fact, that
plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both sides, right up
to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.
The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"
I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.
Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my LCing....and
since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early and
correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet, then.....what
did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper teeth for SOME
reason.....?
The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.
I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.
WTF???
Any ideas on this?
It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum disease
before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.
Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since last
visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I mean...going
from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My God....what has
happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is pretty
frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years of NO
treatment to see a plummet like this.
Freakin out---
LassChance
5-16-05 202/182/162
Do you happen to be aware of the fact that one of the main and most
obvious symptoms of sub-clinical scurvey happens to be soft, bleeding
and receding gums. Kinda sounds a bit like "gum disease" don't it.
Try 1000 or 2000 mgs of vitamins C four times a day with food. I'll bet
dollars to donuts that your next visit to the dentist will be much much
better. Then ask him or her why they are so completely ignorant of the
value of vitamin for gum health.
There are no toxicity issues whatsoever with vitamin C. The worse that
can happen if you take too much is you get the runs, just cut back a
bit, it is called the bowel tolerance level.
It ain't in the genes, it's in the diet. The fact that your parents lost
all their teeth has little bearing on anything except as an indication
of their general diet and their vitamin C intake at the time.
TC

LassChance~
5-16-05 202/182/162

Lass Chance_2 said:

Doug---well....if oyster shell calcium is the least
absorbable...shouldnt I take sme other kind? Do you know what kind is
MOST absorbable?

There are mixed opinions on what form of calcium is the
best absorbed. Some say go with calcium carbonate and
get it as finely ground as possible - shale powder or
coral calcium I think. Others say calcium citrate.
I worry about the iron content of powdered shale.

Note that TC suggested much extra vitamin C and I
suggested much extra calcium. Neither has much down
side so try both. If the problem is solved and you
don't know which did it, so what.

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
BJ---no kidden? Hmmm. Well, I had blood drawn yesterday, too and should
receive the results in a day or two.

I have lots of diabetes on both sides of the family...and my last blood
sugar, before I started LCing WAS somewhat elevaed.

What is 'somewhat elevated?' and was it a fasting glucose?

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Doug---well....if oyster shell calcium is the least
absorbable...shouldnt I take sme other kind? Do you know what kind is
MOST absorbable?

This is very good news---if it worked for him, it sure could for me,
too....and at least I wont lose the bottom teeth, too...amybe. Thanks
very much---

Calcium Citrate, I think. You need magnesium and D for it to do any good.
Also, you need to at least take a multi vitamin/mineral.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Lass Chance_2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TC---uh...yeah, it sure does sound a lot like what Ive got.....and Im
embarrassed to admit, I do not take vitamin C...beause many years ago,
when the "Take C to cure a cold" came out, I gobbled a bunch (3000mg)
and within four hours had about a dozen "cold sores" (Herpes Simplex)
all over my face--- The doc said I could not tlerate the acidity of
vitamin C. Is there a less acidic form. I wonder? I would hate to go
thru that again...I looked like a Leper. ...very bad and lasted about
five weeks. Painful, too.

Buffered vitamin C = calcium ascorbate, it's buffered with a little calcium
carbonate.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

Lass Chance_2 said:

TC---uh...yeah, it sure does sound a lot like what Ive got.....and Im
embarrassed to admit, I do not take vitamin C...beause many years ago,
when the "Take C to cure a cold" came out, I gobbled a bunch (3000mg)
and within four hours had about a dozen "cold sores" (Herpes Simplex)
all over my face--- The doc said I could not tlerate the acidity of
vitamin C. Is there a less acidic form. I wonder? I would hate to go
thru that again...I looked like a Leper. ...very bad and lasted about
five weeks. Painful, too.

Calcium Ascorbate. Buffered. Cheap. Longer shelf life than ascorbic
acid. One quarter teaspoon is about 1000 mg. Add it to an oz or two of
juice (low-carb of course) and stir until disolved. That reaction
sounds odd to me. My son had a nasty case of cold sores until he
finally took my advice and started taking vit C and L-Lysine, he was
cleared in about four days.

Quoted message said:

I wll look for some kind that isnt so acidic---and start with a low dose
and work up to a bigger one. thanks for getting my attention, LOL---this
would have never occured to me.

The amazing thing is that it doesn't even occur to a dentist. I had a
talk with mine a few months ago. He's a really competent dentist as far
as doing the procedures go, but he had no clue about vit C and gum
disease. They are trained to push brushing, flossing and regular check
up$$$$, if you get my drift.

TC

Doug Freyburger said:

Lass Chance_2 said:

Doug---well....if oyster shell calcium is the least
absorbable...shouldnt I take sme other kind? Do you know what kind is
MOST absorbable?

There are mixed opinions on what form of calcium is the
best absorbed. Some say go with calcium carbonate and
get it as finely ground as possible - shale powder or
coral calcium I think. Others say calcium citrate.
I worry about the iron content of powdered shale.

Note that TC suggested much extra vitamin C and I
suggested much extra calcium. Neither has much down
side so try both. If the problem is solved and you
don't know which did it, so what.

Some people at Harvard Health don't agree with you about extra calcium
and vitamin C. They are suggesting that it increases you risk of cancer
by quite a large factor.

See:

http://tinyurl.com/b35he

Regards

David

--

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All other mail is automatically deleted.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Lass Chance_2 said:

Well....yesterday at the dentist, I learned that my inherited from mom
and pop gum disease is much, much worse, despite constant flossing,
water-pic-ing and Listerine swishing....so much worse, in fact, that
plans are now to remove all of my upper molars on both sides, right up
to my canines. A partial plate, for me, to the tune of 1200 bucks.

The doc was shocked---asked me "how in the world my gums could have
gotten this much worse in the last six months? What have I been doing
different?"

I instantly denied that I had done anything "different". I felt....if I
told him Id been LCing, he would jump on it with both feet, blaming my
worsening gums on my diet.
---which I felt sure was NOT to blame.

Only today, Im wondering. Since the only "difference" IS my
LCing....and since my LCing occurred since last visit when I had "early
and correctable gum disease".....well....if it aint my diet,
then.....what did cause this? Im about to lose most of my frickin upper
teeth for SOME reason.....?

The dentist is aware of my predisposition, genetically. But six months
ago, he was fairly sure we could stop the progress of the gum disease
and bone loss. Yesterday, he said he had NEVER seen anybody's gums go
that much worse in a six month period. Ive been taking this thing real
seriously for the last six months, BTW---religiously flossing, water
pic-ing after every single meal. In other words, Ive done everything he
told me to do, at our last visit, that he was confident would stop the
progress of the disease.

I saw the new x-rays---even I could see how much bone has been lost.

WTF???

Any ideas on this?

It is true that both my parents had lost all their teeth to gum disease
before they were 45. At least I beat 'em by 10 years.

Still....the question remans, HOW could I get SO much worse since last
visit?....and the only thing "different" is my diet. I mean...going
from, "We caught this early enough to stop it", to "My God....what has
happened here?---these teeth will have to GO"....is pretty
frickin....unusual. In fact, he said it usually takes years of NO
treatment to see a plummet like this.

Freakin out---
LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Do you happen to be aware of the fact that one of the main and most
obvious symptoms of sub-clinical scurvey happens to be soft, bleeding
and receding gums. Kinda sounds a bit like "gum disease" don't it.

Try 1000 or 2000 mgs of vitamins C four times a day with food. I'll bet
dollars to donuts that your next visit to the dentist will be much much
better. Then ask him or her why they are so completely ignorant of the
value of vitamin for gum health.

There are no toxicity issues whatsoever with vitamin C. The worse that
can happen if you take too much is you get the runs, just cut back a
bit, it is called the bowel tolerance level.

It ain't in the genes, it's in the diet. The fact that your parents
lost all their teeth has little bearing on anything except as an
indication of their general diet and their vitamin C intake at the
time.

TC

That's why I suggested C also, along with Bioflavenoids.
I've read that Bf's increase the half life of C in the bloodstream and
enhance it's effects so you don't have to take as much.

Too much C can cause diarrhea...

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson