Group etiquette

Michael Warner said:

Hi group,

I've been doing 2-3 group rides a week without any problems for
a few months now, but a guy I didn't know got stuck into me
the other day (how rude is it to do that without even introducing
yourself?) for not "looking after" him when he was behind me
in rotation. His complaints were:

- I kicked too hard to close any gap ahead of me in the passing lane
when things fouled up, opening one up in front of him instead. Apparently
I (gasp) even got out of the saddle a couple of times, obviously doing my
best to drop him!

- I didn't inform him that he was now last every time I moved to the
passing lane. Generally I only do this the first couple of times around,
until something happens to change our order.

Who's being unreasonable here?

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boy. sounds like you found yerself a [censored], there!

Telling him he's last is funny. he should know that everytime he sees you coming past on the right he should be going over and following suit

and if youre jumping to fill a gap then he should be too to fill his.
He has a bit of a point about standing tho. Not the actal act of standing but the way its done.
Its pretty easy to thrust your bike backwards (ie in his direction) as you climb up/pull bars back towards you to stand up. try and do it smoothly and go up (anyone know the 'proper' way to do this. heard its 'wrong' just not how to do 'right'😉.
Weekend tryhard warriors like him are one reason i stay away from '[censored]' Rd. If he was worth some 531 he shoulda gently suggested the correct technique/s rather than just havin a go. We all gotta learn somehow... 🙄

"Michael Warner" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

- I kicked too hard to close any gap ahead of me in the passing lane
when things fouled up, opening one up in front of him instead. Apparently
I (gasp) even got out of the saddle a couple of times, obviously doing my
best to drop him!

It's always nice to move up steadily to fill any gaps rather
than accelerating hard. Busting out a sprint to fill gaps isn't
too nice. At the same time, the gap should never be big
enough to really annoy a following rider - maybe he was
at his limit? He should notice the gap too and be prepared
to accelerate a little behind you. I am guilty of going too
hard off the front.. I'm sure there's worse things I could
be doing in my life.. ;-)

Quoted message said:

- I didn't inform him that he was now last every time I moved to the
passing lane. Generally I only do this the first couple of times around,
until something happens to change our order.

I don't know what you mean with this one..
Passing lane? Informed of being last? Huh?

hippy

dave said:

These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

Dave

on a bike???

now THAT's impressive

F "how to keep the heartrate in E3?" Dutch

"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

dave said:

These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

on a bike???
now THAT's impressive

LOL.. 20mph club?

Quoted message said:

F "how to keep the heartrate in E3?" Dutch

I know someone who wore their HRM
during 'the deed'...

hippy

"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Michael Warner wrote:

Hi group,

I've been doing 2-3 group rides a week without any problems for
a few months now, but a guy I didn't know got stuck into me
the other day (how rude is it to do that without even introducing
yourself?) for not "looking after" him when he was behind me
in rotation. His complaints were:

- I kicked too hard to close any gap ahead of me in the passing lane
when things fouled up, opening one up in front of him instead. Apparently
I (gasp) even got out of the saddle a couple of times, obviously doing my
best to drop him!

- I didn't inform him that he was now last every time I moved to the
passing lane. Generally I only do this the first couple of times around,
until something happens to change our order.

Who's being unreasonable here?

Dave wrote:

He is just organised.. You know right lane moves up, left lane back..
as you move of the back of the left lane to the right lane and up
next to the new last man in the left lane .. you tell him he is last,
you know in case he is a triathlete 🙂 and thus thinks spatial awareness
is an astronomy class.

These bunches do exist.. been in one or two.. but I always feel they are
slumming having me near them... more to the point THEY think they are
slumming 🙂 These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

Quoted message said:

Dave said:

These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

on a bike???

now THAT's impressive

You should only be having sex if you want to create offspring. Sex for any
other purpose is immoral and disgusting.

My recommendation is that you desist altogether as there are already too
many people in the world. Have some consideration for other animal species
that occupy the planet with us. We are crowding them out with our rabbit
like instinct for procreation. The way things are going we will end up with
just ourselves, the rats and the cockroaches. All the tsunamis don't make a
dent in the world population. Where is the bubonic plague (the Black Death)
when it is needed?

So I won't be accused of being totally off topic all the time, group
etiquette dictates that you remain at least 6 feet away from your fellow
human beings at all times. Why would anyone ever want to get any closer. We
are nothing but smelly apes. It is best never to shake hands with anyone
either. All you are doing is spreading your disgusting germs around. The
thought of kissing anyone ought to send shivers up and down your spine.
Howard Hughes had it right. Go hide yourself and abhor all human contact
(except for Usenet of course). And use lots of Kleenix for such things as
door knobs and telephones.

We need to isolate ourselves from one another. "Every man is an island, no
man is part of the continent." That is a bit of Biblical wisdom for those of
you who still think there is a God, although I have it on good authority
that He died a few centuries ago. Darwin and Science killed Him.

I do not want to be accused anymore of being off topic as I have just proven
I can be on topic when the occasion calls for it. I have pronounced the last
word on Group Etiquette. Unless you have got a doctorate degree in sociology
and anthropology, I do not want to hear from you. I am tired of being nit
picked to death by dwarfs.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

aka

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

hippy

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Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

hippy

The reason I posted to this thread is because it was already screwed up. It
got screwed up the minute Dave brought sex into his message. Besides, group
etiquette interests me since I have never seen any of it in my entire life.
All I have ever seen are slobs like you.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Michael Warner wrote:

Hi group,

I've been doing 2-3 group rides a week without any problems for
a few months now, but a guy I didn't know got stuck into me
the other day (how rude is it to do that without even introducing
yourself?) for not "looking after" him when he was behind me
in rotation. His complaints were:

- I kicked too hard to close any gap ahead of me in the passing lane
when things fouled up, opening one up in front of him instead. Apparently
I (gasp) even got out of the saddle a couple of times, obviously doing my
best to drop him!

- I didn't inform him that he was now last every time I moved to the
passing lane. Generally I only do this the first couple of times around,
until something happens to change our order.

Who's being unreasonable here?

Dave wrote:

He is just organised.. You know right lane moves up, left lane back..
as you move of the back of the left lane to the right lane and up
next to the new last man in the left lane .. you tell him he is last,
you know in case he is a triathlete 🙂 and thus thinks spatial awareness
is an astronomy class.

These bunches do exist.. been in one or two.. but I always feel they are
slumming having me near them... more to the point THEY think they are
slumming 🙂 These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

Quoted message said:

Dave wrote:

>These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
>only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

on a bike???

now THAT's impressive

You should only be having sex if you want to create offspring. Sex for
any other purpose is immoral and disgusting.

How booring. Actually sex beetween consenting people who like each other.
is at the very worse.. good and enjoyable exercise and at the best much
much better than that.

Sex is the most serious business in the world. It should never be engaged in
for any other reason than procreation. All the sexually transmitted diseases
in the world, including the deadly AIDS, is nature's pronouncement on "good
and enjoyable." No, sex is serious business and is not here to be enjoyed.
Looked at in a certain way, it is nothing but drudgery. But nature has
provided some pleasure to go along with it to make damn sure that we do it.
After all, nature is only concerned with the perpetuation of the species.
That is why nature can kill individuals with abandon as long as the species
survives.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My recommendation is that you desist altogether as there are already too
many people in the world. Have some consideration for other animal
species that occupy the planet with us. We are crowding them out with our
rabbit like instinct for procreation. The way things are going we will
end up with just ourselves, the rats and the cockroaches. All the
tsunamis don't make a dent in the world population. Where is the bubonic
plague (the Black Death) when it is needed?

Sadly here I am in total agreement. Actually its more like horrifyingly.

Quoted message said:

So I won't be accused of being totally off topic all the time, group
etiquette dictates that you remain at least 6 feet away from your fellow
human beings at all times. Why would anyone ever want to get any closer.
We are nothing but smelly apes. It is best never to shake hands with
anyone either. All you are doing is spreading your disgusting germs
around. The thought of kissing anyone ought to send shivers up and down
your spine. Howard Hughes had it right. Go hide yourself and abhor all
human contact (except for Usenet of course). And use lots of Kleenix for
such things as door knobs and telephones.

Gawd

That is what everybody says when they hear my view on things. Quite a
mystery to me I must say.

However, all of the above was tongue in cheek. Apparently I need to
exaggerate even more.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We need to isolate ourselves from one another. "Every man is an island,
no man is part of the continent." That is a bit of Biblical wisdom for
those of you who still think there is a God, although I have it on good
authority that He died a few centuries ago. Darwin and Science killed
Him.

I do not want to be accused anymore of being off topic as I have just
proven I can be on topic when the occasion calls for it. I have
pronounced the last word on Group Etiquette. Unless you have got a
doctorate degree in sociology and anthropology, I do not want to hear
from you. I am tired of being nit picked to death by dwarfs.

Ummm. I did a masters in sociology.. And so little use it did me. I was
under the impression it would teach me more about women and I would get
laid more often. Alas it didnt work.

Sociology - me too. But a very strong minor in anthropolgy.

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Anyway Ed. feel free to come no closer than 6 feet to a consenting woman.
And feel free to not procreate. Let me not discourage you.

For my part I will feel free to get as close as trust allows. However
since I have trouble taking care of a cat. (well no I don;t but it is a
responsibility) I may try to avoid procreation my self. Getting a tad old
for that anyway 🙂

I have got 8 cats, 4 males and 4 females. It is quite a job keeping them
separate, but if I don't
I will end up with hundreds of them. Because of my experience with cats, I
am death on procreation.
Maybe sex just for the pleasure of it might be a good thing after all.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

hippy

Feeding the troll? I thought you knew better 😉

"Resound" <[email hidden]

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"hippy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

Feeding the troll? I thought you knew better 😉

I do, I do.. but this one is so much more interesting than
the [censored] that just copy and paste messages into 100
threads.. this one has custom replies! AI bot gone wrong?
I'll try and refrain.. :-)

hippy

hippy said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

To whom are you talking? I don't remember seeing anything by Edward
Dolan in a couple of weeks.

Killfiles are a wonderful thing 🙂

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the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

"Stuart Lamble" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

hippy said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>

Quoted message said:

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

To whom are you talking? I don't remember seeing anything by Edward
Dolan in a couple of weeks.

Killfiles are a wonderful thing 🙂

I use Outlook Express. I have been going to upgrade
newsreaders for the last 5 years.. :-S

I've never used a killfile as I'm 'usually' pretty good at
ignoring spammers.

hippy a.k.a gunna

In article <[email hidden]>,

hippy said:

I've never used a killfile as I'm 'usually' pretty good at
ignoring spammers.

FWIW, I used to be of the same opinion. Then I actually started using
them, and what a difference!

--
Shane Stanley

Shane Stanley said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hippy said:

I've never used a killfile as I'm 'usually' pretty good at
ignoring spammers.

FWIW, I used to be of the same opinion. Then I actually started using
them, and what a difference!

I'm finally giving Thunderbird a go. I just have to
remember to use it instead of firing up OE all the
time.

It's a little bit different in how it sorts, groups
and marks messages too, so that'll mess with me for
a while..

Hopefully its filtering works well. There's a few
names in there already.. guess who? 🙂

hippy

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 at 02:00 GMT, hippy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Hopefully its filtering works well. There's a few
names in there already.. guess who? 🙂

Pick me! Pick me!

No, wait... I told that wrong again.

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"The Write Many, Read Never drive. For those people that don't know
their system has a /dev/null already." -- Rik Steenwinkel, singing
the praises of 8mm Exabytes

hippy said:

"Michael Warner" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

- I kicked too hard to close any gap ahead of me in the passing lane
when things fouled up, opening one up in front of him instead. Apparently
I (gasp) even got out of the saddle a couple of times, obviously doing my
best to drop him!

It's always nice to move up steadily to fill any gaps rather
than accelerating hard. Busting out a sprint to fill gaps isn't
too nice. At the same time, the gap should never be big
enough to really annoy a following rider - maybe he was
at his limit? He should notice the gap too and be prepared
to accelerate a little behind you. I am guilty of going too
hard off the front.. I'm sure there's worse things I could
be doing in my life.. ;-)

Quoted message said:

- I didn't inform him that he was now last every time I moved to the
passing lane. Generally I only do this the first couple of times around,
until something happens to change our order.

I don't know what you mean with this one..
Passing lane? Informed of being last? Huh?

hippy

He is just organised.. You know right lane moves up, left lane back..
as you move of the back of the left lane to the right lane and up
next to the new last man in the left lane .. you tell him he is last,
you know in case he is a triathlete 🙂 and thus thinks spatial awareness
is an astronomy class.

These bunches do exist.. been in one or two.. but I always feel they are
slumming having me near them... more to the point THEY think they are
slumming 🙂 These people think 3 inches is enough clearence too. I,m
only comfortable that close to someone these days while having sex 🙂

Dave

In article <[email hidden]>,

hippy said:

Hopefully its filtering works well. There's a few
names in there already.. guess who? 🙂

That's the beauty of killfiles -- I've forgotten already ;-)

--
Shane Stanley

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Quoted message said:

"Resound" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

"hippy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]
<snip more psychotic junk>
> Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

"Perpetual Miseries" is certainly correct. Now go back to
ARBR and stop screwing up perfectly good threads.

Feeding the troll? I thought you knew better 😉

I do, I do.. but this one is so much more interesting than
the [censored] that just copy and paste messages into 100
threads.. this one has custom replies! AI bot gone wrong?
I'll try and refrain.. :-)

hippy

Hippy has got that right. What will ruin a newsgroup is the former. I only
enhance a newsgroup because I put my brain into gear for my each and every
response. And I am not a one note Johnny either like so many others. My mind
ranges widely and there is nothing I can't comment on. But I use discretion.
I mean to stimulate your mind, not stroke you with platitudes.

What others mistake for a troll is just an original mind at work. You should
pay attention and who knows - you might actually learn something new if you
listen very carefully to what I have to say. After all, I listen to you
don't I?

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Shane Stanley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hippy said:

Hopefully its filtering works well. There's a few
names in there already.. guess who? 🙂

That's the beauty of killfiles -- I've forgotten already ;-)

All kill filers are nothing but cowards but it suits me perfectly. I do not
want any to read my words of wisdom if they do not want to. After all, it is
their loss, not mine. I have discovered over the course of a couple of years
that not only are kill filers cowards, but they are also stupid. Who needs
them.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota