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  1. Topic: " Google Med School "

    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing the
    topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for a
    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the "Google
    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

  2. George Lagergren said:

    Topic: " Google Med School "

    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing the
    topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for a
    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the "Google
    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    Vitamin C and L-Lysine?

    TC

  3. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: " Google Med School "

    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing
    the
    topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for
    a
    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the
    "Google
    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment. Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey shows.

    Jeff


  4. Quoted message said:


    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment. Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey shows.

    Jeff

    true true. However you can never expect to get a natural health
    solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their "speciality"

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.

    Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents because
    they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that organ was not
    the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a trained Medical Doctor you
    can differentiate this all to common health problem.

    So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural solution (
    vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any given health
    problem...well that borders on hysteria.

    Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret ifn he does

  5. Nick said:
    Quoted message said:


    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment. Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey shows.

    Jeff

    true true. However you can never expect to get a natural health
    solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their "speciality"

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.

    Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents because
    they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that organ was not
    the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a trained Medical Doctor you
    can differentiate this all to common health problem.

    So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural solution (
    vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any given health
    problem...well that borders on hysteria.

    Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret ifn he does

    I think that trained monkeys could do as good a job and an MD. Or just
    set up a medical techician with a computer and a medical program. Input
    symptoms, output a probable condition and a prescription.

    It seems that that all an allopathic MD does now, is collect a list of
    symptoms, guess at a possible diagnosis and prescribe the appropriate
    drug based on the current AMA procedures manual. In the meanwhile
    ignore the patients nutrtional status completely or suggest they lose
    weight by cutting back fats or suggest that they cut salt from their
    diet. Those seem to be the only nutrients that doctors care about, fats
    and salt.

    TC

  6. George Lagergren said:

    Topic: " Google Med School "

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for a
    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the "Google
    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    Huh? What does that have to do with med school? Absolutely nothing!!!

    The Google search should obviously be:
    alternative shingles treatment OR treating OR self-care "antiviral"

    Quoted message said:

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    And? Oh! That is right, you are just trolling.

    I shall ask again: "Why waste money buying the book _Natural Cures_
    when you have the Internet and Google?"

  7. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment.


    Ability

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey


    shows.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Jeff

    true true. However you can never expect to get a natural health
    solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their "speciality"


    There specialty is not puting your feet in urine home treatments.
    I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.

    Quoted message said:

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.


    Why is that. It's high because people don't want to wait like in Canada and
    die waiting. It is cheaper to have people die.
    Basal cell carcinoma is diagnosed by a pathologist and last I heard Barbers
    don't do microscopic diagnosis nor surgery.
    I some countries they might use barbers because it's cheaper to have their
    GNP ratio down.

    Quoted message said:


    Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents because
    they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that organ was not
    the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a trained Medical Doctor you
    can differentiate this all to common health problem.

    Let's see here why don't we get first year barbers and see how good they do.

    Quoted message said:


    So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural solution (
    vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any given health
    problem...well that borders on hysteria.


    It does. I wouldn't go to them for something I can get on my own.
    Go to the store and buy what you want and read every idiotic book out there
    and try it. If it doesn't work then go to the doctor.
    I don't want doctors using hysteria to treat anybody.
    We have enough idiots like you who know so much about vitamins and such that
    people make a living on it.
    Heaven forbid they do a clinical trial proving efficacy.

    Quoted message said:


    Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret ifn he does

    Buy a book from Kevin Trudeau clown and cure yourself of cancer.

  8. Nick said:

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.

    COMMENT:

    Well, Massachusetts must have gone back in the era of barber-surgeons,
    then, because you can't do that 100% accurately without doing a biopsy.
    FYI.

    SBH

  9. Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and makes it the
    perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based in scientific research.
    "Just take these majic pills and I garntee they will go away". Ever
    notice how many alternative "drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions
    that normally wax and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
    psychological underpinning?

  10. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment.
    Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey
    shows.

    Jeff

    true true. However you can never expect to get a natural health
    solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their "speciality"

    An MD's specialty is medicine that has been shown to work. Natural health
    "solutions" have, for the most part, not been shown to work in any type of
    trial. For that, you need to go to conmed (conjecture-based medicine, aka
    alternative medicine).

    Quoted message said:

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.

    No, a thumbnail of why there is education for doctors beyound medical
    school.

    Quoted message said:

    Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents because
    they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that organ was not
    the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a trained Medical Doctor you
    can differentiate this all to common health problem

    Do you have a better solution? I mean, how do you train doctors if they
    don't have some sort of apprenticeship?

    Quoted message said:

    So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural solution (
    vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any given health
    problem...well that borders on hysteria.

    And stupidity. natural health "solutions" are only solutions for an overfull
    wallet.

    Quoted message said:

    Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret ifn he does

    Who cares about Barrett? it is the facts that count. And in the case of
    natural "solutions," there is very little, if any, evidence to back them up.

    Jeff

  11. "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Nick said:
    Quoted message said:


    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment.
    Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your storey
    shows.

    Jeff

    true true. However you can never expect to get a natural health
    solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their "speciality"

    I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point that only
    6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could differentiate a basal
    cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber students in Mass could. Thus a
    thumbnail of why health care costs are a staggering percentage of the
    GNP.

    Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents because
    they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that organ was not
    the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a trained Medical Doctor you
    can differentiate this all to common health problem.

    So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural solution (
    vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any given health
    problem...well that borders on hysteria.

    Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret ifn he does

    I think that trained monkeys could do as good a job and an MD.

    If you send them through college, then med school and 3 years or more of
    residency.

    Quoted message said:

    Or just
    set up a medical techician with a computer and a medical program. Input
    symptoms, output a probable condition and a prescription.

    Don't forget, you have to teach the computer physical exam, how to do a
    medical history, etc. And you have to provide the medical program with years
    of experience.

    Quoted message said:

    It seems that that all an allopathic MD does now, is collect a list of
    symptoms, guess at a possible diagnosis and prescribe the appropriate
    drug based on the current AMA procedures manual.

    The AMA doesn't have a procedures manual. Actually, it is more like, based
    on the history, signs and symptoms, come up with a list of possible
    diagnosis (called a differential diagnosis), determine what tests or
    additional parts of the physical exam or history would help determine what
    the problem is, determine what the problem is, come up with a reasonable
    treatment plan, and carry it out, all the while monitoring the patient for
    side effects, effectiveness of the treatment, new problems, etc.

    Quoted message said:

    In the meanwhile
    ignore the patients nutrtional status completely or suggest they lose
    weight by cutting back fats or suggest that they cut salt from their
    diet. Those seem to be the only nutrients that doctors care about, fats
    and salt.

    Fats cause heart attacks and salt can raise blood pressure in some people.
    Both heart attacks and high blood pressure kill. however, doctors are
    concerned about vitamins, minerals, proteins, carbs, etc., too.

    Quoted message said:

    TC

  12. Topic: " Google Med School "

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren wrote:
    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing


    the

    Quoted message said:

    topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for


    a

    Quoted message said:

    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the


    "Google

    Quoted message said:

    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Vitamin C and L-Lysine?

    One of the nutrients was the amino acid, L-Lysine. Since
    L-Lysine has anti-viral properities. The other was a herbal blend of
    about six herbs made by a commercial company called Zynoxin. Their web site
    is: www.zynoxin.com .

    But Vitamin C may act in anti-viral mode. The herb garlic possess
    anti-viral properities, too.

  13. Topic: " Google Med School "

    Quoted message said:

    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing
    the topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for
    a week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the
    "Google Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate


    shingles. In

    Quoted message said:

    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment. Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your story shows.

    Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is, NUTRITIONAL
    MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective medical treatment. I have used baseline
    (nutritional) medicine myself to resolve a few health conditions.

    Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand baseline (nutritional)
    medicine does NOT mean that it is an ineffective medical treatment.

  14. Topic: " Google Med School "

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren wrote:
    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for


    a

    Quoted message said:

    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the


    "Google

    Quoted message said:

    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    Mr-Natural-Health said:

    Huh? What does that have to do with med school? Absolutely nothing!!!

    Everything. With the advent of the Internet and the search
    engine, any real health nut can become a de facto "nutritional medicine
    doctor" [NMD] by learning how to do searches at the de facto "Google
    Medical School".

    Quoted message said:

    The Google search should obviously be:
    alternative shingles treatment OR treating OR self-care "antiviral"

    Or search on: (shingles & (nutritional medicine)) .

    Quoted message said:

    I shall ask again: "Why waste money buying the book _Natural Cures_
    when you have the Internet and Google?"

    You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping of the
    "Google Medical School" means the world wide web has become a GIANT
    natural diet medicine and natural nutritional medicine warehouse of medical
    knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type of M.D.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and makes it the
    perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based in scientific research.
    "Just take these majic pills and I garntee they will go away". Ever
    notice how many alternative "drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions
    that normally wax and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
    psychological underpinning?

    Why should not shingles be treated by the use of baseline
    (nutritional) medicine?

    In fact, chronic health conditions should be treated by using
    baseline (diet modification and/or nutritional) medicine.

    I treated my chronic strep throats by using diet modification
    medicine. By stopping my consumption of dairy products and my drinking of
    cow's milk, my strep throats dis-appeared forever.

  16. Shhesh
    how stupid can you get
    not only posting the usual "herbal" scams, but posting commercial
    scammers websites

    George Lagergren said:

    Topic: " Google Med School "

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren wrote:
    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing

    the

    Quoted message said:

    topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for

    a

    Quoted message said:

    week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the

    "Google

    Quoted message said:

    Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In
    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Vitamin C and L-Lysine?

    One of the nutrients was the amino acid, L-Lysine. Since
    L-Lysine has anti-viral properities. The other was a herbal blend of
    about six herbs made by a commercial company called Zynoxin. Their web site
    is: www.zynoxin.com .

    But Vitamin C may act in anti-viral mode. The herb garlic possess
    anti-viral properities, too.

    --
    "...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
    hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
    Glen Cook

  17. George Lagergren said:

    Topic: " Google Med School "

    Quoted message said:

    "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
    nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing
    the topics taught to medical students?

    A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral pharm drug for
    a week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge from the
    "Google Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate

    shingles. In

    Quoted message said:

    addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
    containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my
    friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

    They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve their
    shingles health condition.

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective treatment. Ability
    to search the internet does not mean one will find good, accurate
    information. There is a lot of [censored] on the internet, as your story shows.

    Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is, NUTRITIONAL
    MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective medical treatment. I have used baseline
    (nutritional) medicine myself to resolve a few health conditions.

    Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand baseline (nutritional)
    medicine does NOT mean that it is an ineffective medical treatment.


    No twit you son't have the slightest idwa about :nutritional medicine"
    you keep repeating things PROBEN to be worthless (like Vitimin C) ajnd
    you blather about othr worthles nostrums.

    Most physicians DO know somthing about nutrition, not false [censored] from
    scammers websites

    --
    "...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
    hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
    Glen Cook

  18. Robert said:

    I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.

    People go to MDs to be ignored, to pay through the nose for services
    that they don't need (either directly or from health insurance being
    deducted from their pay checks), and to get that comforting
    prescription so that they can continue on living their unhealthy
    lifestyles.

    How many health news stories are we going to hear about physicians
    ignoring women, telling them that they have nothing to worry about,
    only to find out three years later that they indeed have the cancer
    that they were complaining to their doctor about? Only now, they are
    not curable because the cancer is too advanced.

    How many reports do you need, Robert?

  19. George Lagergren said:

    You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping of the
    "Google Medical School" means the world wide web has become a GIANT
    natural diet medicine and natural nutritional medicine warehouse of medical
    knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type of M.D.

    Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and that for your
    bad case of shinlges, and see how much good it does you.

    We docs will skill keep the "shingle" out for you, when you get tired
    of screwing around and giving your money to quacks. Of course, by the
    time you figure that out, it may be too late for antiviral help. So be
    warned that your stupidity here can cost you a couple of extra months
    of mighty fine burning pain.

    SBH

  20. "Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Robert said:

    I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.

    People go to MDs to be ignored, to pay through the nose for services
    that they don't need (either directly or from health insurance being
    deducted from their pay checks), and to get that comforting
    prescription so that they can continue on living their unhealthy
    lifestyles.

    How many health news stories are we going to hear about physicians
    ignoring women, telling them that they have nothing to worry about,
    only to find out three years later that they indeed have the cancer
    that they were complaining to their doctor about? Only now, they are
    not curable because the cancer is too advanced.

    You're make some assumptions:

    1) That getting attention is the same as effecting a cure. If a quack, like
    a naturopathic quack, pays attention, the quack still can do anything to
    help the problem.

    2) That if the physician paid attention, the physician would have been able
    to detect something. A lot of time, even with extensive technology, you
    can't find cancers early. And the tests are invasive.

    3) That the doctor didn't pay attention. In many cases, the doctor is able
    to explain that she is not recommending any tests, because the tests are
    very unlikely to turn up something. The patient was listened to, but the
    patient doesn't feel like it.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    How many reports do you need, Robert?

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