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"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is, NUTRITIONAL
MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective medical treatment. I have used
baseline
(nutritional) medicine myself to resolve a few health conditions.

Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand baseline
(nutritional)
medicine does NOT mean that it is an ineffective medical treatment.

Give us evidence that it works.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

George Lagergren wrote:
You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping of the
"Google Medical School" means the world wide web has become a GIANT
natural diet medicine and natural nutritional medicine warehouse of

medical

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knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type of M.D.

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> replied:

Quoted message said:

Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and that for your
bad case of shinlges, and see how much good it does you.

The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving shingles made by
the ommercial company, Zynoxin, ( www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good
otherwise the company would not stay in business.

Quoted message said:

We docs will skill keep the "shingle" out for you, when you get tired
of screwing around and giving your money to quacks. Of course, by the
time you figure that out, it may be too late for antiviral help. So be
warned that your stupidity here can cost you a couple of extra months
of mighty fine burning pain.

There are several nutrients with anti-viral properities to help
combat shingles.

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

Quoted message said:

George Lagergren wrote:
You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping of the
"Google Medical School" means the world wide web has become a GIANT
natural diet medicine and natural nutritional medicine warehouse of

medical

Quoted message said:

knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type of M.D.

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> replied:

Quoted message said:

Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and that for your
bad case of shinlges, and see how much good it does you.

The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving shingles made by
the ommercial company, Zynoxin, ( www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good
otherwise the company would not stay in business.

And astrologers must all really be hooked into divine sources of
inspiration or nobody would go to them. George, you are SUCH an
idiot.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

George Lagergren said:

The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving shingles made by
the ommercial company, Zynoxin, ( www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good
otherwise the company would not stay in business.

Okay, I'll bite. How long have they been in business, George?

I need to add that selling freedom from anxiety is a business, too.
Many organized religions have been in business for a long time. They
provide a product. It does help people. But what they say does not need
to be literally true for this to happen.

SBH

Quoted message said:

Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and makes it the
perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based in scientific research.
"Just take these majic pills and I garntee they will go away". Ever
notice how many alternative "drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions
that normally wax and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
psychological underpinning?

COMMENT:

What you say about alternative cures is true, but it doesn't apply to
shingles (which most people get only once if they ever do).

You may be thinking about cold sores (herpes I not the related HZV).

SBH

If I may, I would just like to express my ongoing astonishment over
this prolonged "war" between the "established" medical community and
the "alternative" one.
There's really no conflict here at all. What one should be doing, is
finding ways of cooperation, because any logical human being will see
that both of theses "directions" have their advantages and their
individual fields of effectiveness.
I trust my doctor to diagnose me with any serious conditions I may
attract, and treat them accordingly, but I also think that the use of
alternative medicine, mostly as a preventive and strengthening measure
is something that should be embraced by everyone, on both sides.
The use of natural foods, food supplements and additives have a lot to
give modern man, as it did the people that were here two thousand,
three or thirty thousand years back, and modern medicine has found ways
of curing and releaving what nature's own products may not be able to
cure.
A balanced mixture of both is the ideal solution, in my opinion, and a
cooperation set out to find the best mix is what we should all strive
for.

-S-
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"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving shingles made by
the ommercial company, Zynoxin, ( www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good
otherwise the company would not stay in business.

Length of time in business is your criterion
for product efficacy and marketing honesty?

"You are old," said the youth, "as I mentioned before,
And have grown most uncommonly fat;
Yet you turned a back somersault in at the door -
Pray, what is the reason of that?"

"In my youth," said the sage, as he shook his gray locks,
"I kept all my limbs very supple
By the use of this ointment - one shilling the box -
Allow me to sell you a couple."

GWC

Sommerfeldt said:

If I may, I would just like to express my ongoing astonishment over
this prolonged "war" between the "established" medical community and
the "alternative" one.
There's really no conflict here at all. What one should be doing, is
finding ways of cooperation, because any logical human being will see
that both of theses "directions" have their advantages and their
individual fields of effectiveness.
I trust my doctor to diagnose me with any serious conditions I may
attract, and treat them accordingly, but I also think that the use of
alternative medicine, mostly as a preventive and strengthening measure
is something that should be embraced by everyone, on both sides.
The use of natural foods, food supplements and additives have a lot to
give modern man, as it did the people that were here two thousand,
three or thirty thousand years back, and modern medicine has found ways
of curing and releaving what nature's own products may not be able to
cure.
A balanced mixture of both is the ideal solution, in my opinion, and a
cooperation set out to find the best mix is what we should all strive
for.

COMMENT:

The problem is "alternative" is a big tent. Very few doctors are going
to object if you use various supplements, natural foods, and non-toxic
this or that as a complement to your standard medical care. Some of us
doctors do this also (some of what I takes supplementally, I don't
recommend to patients, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to spend
my own money on CoQ10 or whatever, on a hunch).

The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine is between
medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery or nuttiness, on par
with astrology. Indeed, many traditional systems of medicine have
strong links to astrology (which they try hard to minimize). There's a
world of scientific difference between the well-trained naturopath and
the homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive practitioners who use
completely unphysical things like "energy" (meaning psychic "energy"😉
healing and crystal healing, or machines that zap little bugs in your
blood that only quacks can see (and can't agree on among themeselves).
Oxygenated water, Rife therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure all
diseases with electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery is endless. The
people who promote it cannot seem to tell the difference between this
[censored] and (say) vitamin or herb or special diet therapy. If you can,
then you know what I'm talking about. If you can't, then let this be
your first introduction to the idea that not all "alternative" claims
are equal.

SBH

Totally have to agree with your there SBH!

That post was right on. You, yourself, are very guilty of stereotyping
fields though in some of your more rant type generalization postings. You
multi-personality acting up again? LOL

I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people have is why the
medical field cannot work or co-operate with some of the more scientific
alternative practicioners. Most MDs here that have witnessed some "better"
alternative practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
practices.

Come to the "dark side"

Have a great one!

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

COMMENT:

The problem is "alternative" is a big tent. Very few doctors are going
to object if you use various supplements, natural foods, and non-toxic
this or that as a complement to your standard medical care. Some of us
doctors do this also (some of what I takes supplementally, I don't
recommend to patients, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to spend
my own money on CoQ10 or whatever, on a hunch).

The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine is between
medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery or nuttiness, on par
with astrology. Indeed, many traditional systems of medicine have
strong links to astrology (which they try hard to minimize). There's a
world of scientific difference between the well-trained naturopath and
the homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive practitioners who use
completely unphysical things like "energy" (meaning psychic "energy"😉
healing and crystal healing, or machines that zap little bugs in your
blood that only quacks can see (and can't agree on among themeselves).
Oxygenated water, Rife therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure all
diseases with electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery is endless. The
people who promote it cannot seem to tell the difference between this
[censored] and (say) vitamin or herb or special diet therapy. If you can,
then you know what I'm talking about. If you can't, then let this be
your first introduction to the idea that not all "alternative" claims
are equal.

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine is between
medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery or nuttiness, on par

Traditional medicine also involves outright quackery, too, by
NOT understanding how diet modification medicine and nutritional medicine
can be used to resolve health conditions in place of pharm drug medicine.

Pizza Girl. said:

I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people have is why the
medical field cannot work or co-operate with some of the more scientific
alternative practicioners. Most MDs here that have witnessed some "better"
alternative practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
practices.

But do most M.D.s really understand how and why to use nutrients
to resolve many health conditions?

Do most M.D.s now understand why dairy (including cow's milk)
products is a food group item really NOT suitable for human consumption?

Well, that was indeed a good reply, SBH, and you caught my point as
well.
I don't support the "Tomfoolery" either, and I do have a bit of
experience in picking my way through it...

I have to pose the same question as G.Lagergren did up there, namely;
"Do most M.D.s really understand how and why to use nutrients
to resolve many health conditions?"

I'm not so sure they do.

On the other hand, educaton is necessary on both "fronts", to help both
the strict followers of "alternative" medicine see that there are vast
benefits in modern ways, and vice versa.
Quacks are quaks, but not all those being accused of being that, are
that.

-S-
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Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine is between
medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery or nuttiness, on par
with astrology. Indeed, many traditional systems of medicine have
strong links to astrology (which they try hard to minimize). There's a
world of scientific difference between the well-trained naturopath and
the homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive practitioners who use
completely unphysical things like "energy" (meaning psychic "energy"😉
healing and crystal healing, or machines that zap little bugs in your
blood that only quacks can see (and can't agree on among themeselves).
Oxygenated water, Rife therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure all
diseases with electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery is endless.

Can you say Wellness Movement?
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/gnu-dictionary/Wellness.html

Can you say: Yoga, Tai Chi, Pilates, and Swiss Balls?
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/exercise/

Your problem is that you are still living in 19th century. It has
always been buyer beware. And, that is especially true for physicians.

Just say NO to drugs.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
Can you say Wellness Movement?
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/gnu-dictionary/Wellness.html

I can say it, but I notice that the concept has been hijacked from the
original people who advocated "spiritual" treatment (ie, religion), to
people who are advocating secular stuff like (ho hum) various kinds of
breathing and stretching techniques and exercises. Not quite the same,
are they? So why use the same word?

Quoted message said:

Can you say: Yoga, Tai Chi, Pilates, and Swiss Balls?
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/exercise/

I can, but NONE of these are things that an MD would call quackery. Or
have any problem with a patient doing.

Quoted message said:

Your problem is that you are still living in 19th century. It has
always been buyer beware. And, that is especially true for physicians.

Just say NO to drugs.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

COMMENT:

Actually, you are the one still living in the 19th century. Meanwhile
the modern world has invented many new things you may want to use one
day.

But if you ever do need surgery, I urge you to say no to all drugs.
Tell them you're going to anesthetize yourself with wellness
techniques. Best of luck.

Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or were you
able to "transcend dental medication"?

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or were you
able to "transcend dental medication"?

The novocaine wore out before the last 3 or 4 teeth were pulled, if you
most know. It has always taken a lot to numb my gums. As a child my
dentist always drilled with very little novocaine, for whatever reason.

Consequently, drilling in pain was pretty much always the norm for me.
But of course, that is all ancient history now. No need to drill or to
have an annual gum scrapping. Best of all, no more X-rays!!!

You have my condolences.

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

Pizza Girl. said:

I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people have is why the
medical field cannot work or co-operate with some of the more scientific
alternative practicioners. Most MDs here that have witnessed some "better"
alternative practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
practices.

But do most M.D.s really understand how and why to use nutrients
to resolve many health conditions?

Better than you do. But, unlike you, they don't fall for every bit of
spam email and fraudulent book they run across.

Quoted message said:

Do most M.D.s now understand why dairy (including cow's milk)
products is a food group item really NOT suitable for human consumption?

No, they don't understand it, because it's not true. They might
understand that milk isn't suitable for you, especially after you
tell them so about five thousand times, the way you do on m.h.a.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or were you
able to "transcend dental medication"?

The novocaine wore out before the last 3 or 4 teeth were pulled, if you
most know. It has always taken a lot to numb my gums.

That's surprising, considering how numb your skull is.

Quoted message said:

As a child my
dentist always drilled with very little novocaine, for whatever reason.

It was probably because you had the same personality you have now.

Quoted message said:

Consequently, drilling in pain was pretty much always the norm for me.
But of course, that is all ancient history now. No need to drill or to
have an annual gum scrapping. Best of all, no more X-rays!!!

And no teeth. I'm sure a soft-food diet suits you just fine, or at
least you'd like to convince us it does.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

David Wright said:

And no teeth. I'm sure a soft-food diet suits you just fine, or at
least you'd like to convince us it does.

Can you say dentures?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I eat everything that I have always eaten
precisely the same way that I have always eaten them, including but not
limited to whole apples, corn on the cob, steak, Whoopers, etc., etc.,
etc.

The only real problem is chewing gum which will eventually stick to the
dentures. Also, tiny seeds are irritating because they tend to work
themselves under the dentures. Nevertheless, I still eat sunflower
seeds in my salads.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

But if you ever do need surgery, I urge you to say no to all drugs.
Tell them you're going to anesthetize yourself with wellness
techniques. Best of luck.

With emergency medical situations, stay with regular medicine.
But with most chronic health conditions, go with diet modification medicine
and/or nutritional (nutrient) medicine.

Most M.D.s are NOT trained to know when to use which type of
medicine.

George Lagergren said:

Most M.D.s are NOT trained to know when to use which type of
medicine.

Dumbest quote, on the face of it, for the month of August 2005.

Just thought that you might want to know.