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  1. Al C-F said:

    Pyromancer wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sell the car(s). Buy a van.

    Quoted message said:

    The Fiat Doblo came recommended in the CTC comic a few months back.
    Loads of room for bikes with wheels attached.

    That's still more-or-less car sized and car convenient though. I
    bought an old Ford Transit. Sometimes, I need it - if I'm going to
    Gloucestershire via London and picking up several friends en-route, or
    taking a model + wardrobe out for a photoshoot, or one of the several
    other things I actually *need* a powered vehicle for.

    But I find I'm never tempted to drive instead of cycling to work,
    simply because parking something that large in the company car park is
    way harder than just putting on my cycling cape and riding.

  2. According to the RAC, the average cost of running a car in the UK is
    £5,000 per year.

    Even if you own a rusty old fiat and only use it once a week, it will
    still cost you about £1,000 a year.

    In other words, if you don't have a car you can spend that extra
    transport budget on alternative lifestyle arrangements, and you'll have
    a surprisingly high standard of living.

    Here's how to do it.

    * Do all bulk and heavy grocery shopping online, and have it delivered
    once a week. Sign up with a vegetable box delivery scheme. Sign up with
    a milkman. Buy specialist items of food in your local deli, which
    ideally is within walking distance of your house.

    * Don't waste your time in out-of-town superstores. Buy as much as you
    can online. Use ebay and amazon etc. Only buy something offline if you
    need to try it before buying.

    * When going on vacations or weekend breaks, take the train or plane
    and rent a car on arrival.

    * Use public transport and bikes where you can. Where this isn't
    possible, don't be shy to take taxis. Remember, you've got those extra
    £5,000 to spend. That's an average of 250 taxi rides every year!

    * Important: A life without a car requires more planning. Don't do
    chores on impulse. Use a single journey to take care of several tasks.
    Research train timetables, etc. *before* you get to the station. Buy
    coach and rail tickets online. Once you get into the routine of
    planning, you'll notice that it's just as convenient as living with a
    car.

    * Use your bike intermodally. This is usually by far the fastest way of
    travelling, often much faster than by car. If your journey to work
    involves three or more bus rides, think about replacing the first and
    last leg of the journey with a bike. Buy a cheap second hand bike in
    the classifieds, and keep it locked up on the train/bus station close
    to your work. Or buy a folding bike and take it on the train/bus.

  3. * Get into the habit of miniaturisation. Don't clutter your life with
    bulky or heavy possessions. Use a laptop instead of a PC, an ipod
    instead of a sound system, desktop speakers instead of freestanding
    ones. Don't buy a TV or DVD player. Buy a TV card and watch TV on your
    laptop. Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines. Don't buy
    kitchen tools you rarely use. Buy mutlifunctional items whenever you
    can. Buy lightweight, foldable furniture.

  4. Quoted message said:

    A serious point if you do it on environmental grounds. A taxi will
    typically have to do twice the miles a private car would - the journey
    to pick you up, your journey and the journey back to base. Then there
    is all the mileage of the on-line shopping delivery drivers etc bringing
    stuff from miles away instead of the local shops.... Its easy to think
    you are reducing the problem when you are simply moving it to somewhere
    else..


    Not so. Online shopping reduces the total number of food miles. A
    delivery van takes the shortest possible round journey, and travels
    from household to household. That's far less distance travelled than
    each househould doing a journey to the supermarket and back.

  5. Kinetic said:

    Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    ...d

  6. davek said:
    David Martin said:

    There is something quite pleasurable in not having everything on tap
    whenever, wherever.

    Indeed. Having strawberries available all year round just lessens your
    appreciation of them - a problem that is exacerbated by the fact that
    the imported out-of-season ones are truly [censored]. There is still nothing
    to match the pleasure of eating a homegrown seasonal strawberry.

    Just nipped out to the allotment with the willing mugs who will be
    watering it while I am on holiday (water X, Y and Z every two days.
    Pick anything that is ripe in return) and returned with about 5 litres
    of fresh strawberries. Nipped round the institute delivering half
    dozens to the various secretaries etc. who do things for me every now
    and then.

    Mmmm.. And with fresh cream too..

    ...d

  7. David Martin said:
    Kinetic said:

    Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    A washing line is a better investment.

    John B

  8. On 29 Jun 2006 06:49:50 -0700, "David Martin"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <Snip>

    Quoted message said:

    the various secretaries etc. who do things for me every now
    and then.

    Mmmm.. And with fresh cream too..

    <mode=Leslie Philips>

    Ding dong!

    </mode>

    Tim

  9. John B said:
    David Martin said:
    Kinetic said:

    Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    A washing line is a better investment.

    Not always available (this is Scotland). Having said that, we probably
    (OK, definitely) don't wear clothes enough before they get washed. The
    kids need a bit of re-educating.

    We do make use of the washing line, and static driers (clothes horses)
    in the house. A washer drier doesn't cut it.. Better to have the two
    (if you have the space).

    ...d

  10. Quoted message said:

    Not so. Online shopping reduces the total number of food miles. A
    delivery van takes the shortest possible round journey, and travels
    from household to household. That's far less distance travelled than
    each househould doing a journey to the supermarket and back.

    And in the case of taxis, even tho they do more miles, your journey will
    still be less miles than you'd be doing if you had your own car (all those
    trips to places in the car just 'cos it's there).

  11. David Martin said:
    John B said:
    David Martin said:

    Kinetic wrote:
    > Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    A washing line is a better investment.

    Not always available (this is Scotland).

    Yes, they can cost a bit ;-)

    John B

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, David
    Martin <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    We do make use of the washing line, and static driers (clothes horses)
    in the house. A washer drier doesn't cut it.. Better to have the two
    (if you have the space).

    I used to have a separate tumble drier, but didn't really have enough
    space in my small kitchen, which is only about 8'x12' and contains a
    small dining table - enough for four to get round - as well. The drier
    sat near the door and the hose vented through the cat flap. The patio
    outside the door is somewhat sheltered by the upstairs neighbour's
    balcony, but even so I doubt a drier would have lasted long there.

    When I had the kitchen remodelled I had a combi washer drier installed
    (along with a narrow dishwasher). It's so convenient, though I still
    also use a clothes horse to dry shirts, bed linen and table linen - and
    these can go outside on the line in the patio if the weather's OK.

    But for towels, socks and undies, I like a soft fluff finish which the
    tumble drier does best.

    --
    congokid
    Eating out in London? Read my tips...
    http://congokid.com

  13. John B said:
    David Martin said:

    John B wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A washing line is a better investment.

    Not always available (this is Scotland).

    Yes, they can cost a bit ;-)

    Sorry, I meant to say 'a drying line'.

    ...d

  14. David Martin said:
    John B said:
    David Martin said:

    Kinetic wrote:
    > Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    A washing line is a better investment.

    Not always available (this is Scotland).

    Drought?

    John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

  15. David Martin said:
    Kinetic said:

    Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines.

    Not got a family, have you? Nor researched the overall cost of running
    one machine that is not as good as either of the two separate ones.

    It might be cheaper to run two machines separately, but in the great
    scheme of things I'd rather still save space wherever possible, because
    it allows me to live in a smaller household, which allows me to afford
    a more centrally located home, which means I'm not forced to use a car
    every time I need to buy a pint of milk.

  16. Kinetic said:

    * Get into the habit of miniaturisation. Don't clutter your life with
    bulky or heavy possessions. Use a laptop instead of a PC, an ipod
    instead of a sound system, desktop speakers instead of freestanding
    ones.

    Not for me. I like decent quality sound and that means somewhat larger
    speakers (not huge ones - Linn Kans in fact)

    Quoted message said:

    Don't buy a TV or DVD player. Buy a TV card and watch TV on your
    laptop.

    Why have a TV at all?

    Quoted message said:

    Buy a combined washer-dryer instead of two machines. Don't buy
    kitchen tools you rarely use. Buy mutlifunctional items whenever you
    can. Buy lightweight, foldable furniture.

    Don't buy kitchen tools you don't need, yep. Multi-function tools
    and foldable furniture though? Not for me. The multifunction stuff
    is only ever good for occasional use IME and folding furniture is
    never as comfortable or sturdy as the real stuff.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune

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