Freedom

I once saw an ad that read " $5000.00 fee to breed with a gorilla, please fill out application inside". I considered it but couldn't raise the $5000.00 at that time.

Are you certain that wasn't my first ex-wife? I paid much more than that to be free from her!

A very well constructed well written liberal reply.

Oy! You should come on one of the local club rides! You'ld think the DNC was meeting for the second coming of Odumbo! Libtards on Wheels!

Libtards...THEY know what's best for YOU!

Life is scary and dangerous.

Here we sit...typing furiously about wearing a styrofoam lid that weighs 250 grams while my neighboorhood is full of Marcellus/Utica Shale oil & gas semis that...'if' they were running legal...weigh 120,000 pounds (alienator, your the site's metric moron...convert that to grams for us won'tcha? thx!) and never run under the speed limit.

Do I think I am somehow "mitigating" my life of danger and excitement? Hell NO! The only thing I'm mitigating is a 30/70 shot at an open casket calling hours.

Helmet or no helmet, libtard or right-thinking conservative, tourist or lance wannabe...I hope you all ride safely and live to be 100. And be sure to vote Republican in your old age!

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

A very well constructed well written liberal reply. You've convince me! You are of course... absolutely correct! [humor]

I happen to carry such insurance! But.... ALL CYCLIST SHOULD BE REQUIRED BY LAW TO POSSESS AND CARRY THE PROPER PROOF OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBLY... before being allow to bicycle. Thank you... for exposing the error of my thinking... and showing your true beliefs.

i've never hidden my political beliefs. i also have never hidden my disdain for ill constructed arguments. i have also never made any demand that bicyclists be fully insured before they ride. i personally have no concern or objection to what equipment you choose to ride in, where you ride or in what manner you control your bicycle, as long as your action have no adverse impact on my health or safety. i have no qualm about you being properly insured. i actually hope you never end up in a state which would require such extensive medical attention. but the government is around to help insulate my health, safety, and financial well-being from the less beneficent souls in this world. they are not around to protect me from every adverse condition in life, and i don't think you can show any instance where the federal government has exercised that power. i am, at last count, still required to make my own decisions on financial, health and employment matters.

truth be told, i smoked cigarettes for quite a long time by choice. i smoked in full recognition of the many government sponsored psa's which pointed out how damaging my behaviour was to my health. but the government is not being an over-reaching nanny by making that behaviour illegal in public spaces. those other people who work in those places should be able to breath air unpolluted with cigarette smoke. so, occasionally, a group has their "right" trampled for the benefit of others. as far as i know, you can behave as you wish in those public spaces and light up. just be willing to accept the consequences of your actions.

like i have said, i am for having the liberty to make choices. but i will point out again that there are quite a number of other organisations which make far greater inroads to your personal freedom than just a rather crudely drawn caricature of our federal government. simply put, i'd think you'd find it quite a different world if there were no federal government to push back against some of the more egregious demands of multi-national corporations.

i've never hidden my political beliefs.

Well, it's high time you started!

i also have never hidden my disdain for ill constructed arguments.

Translation: Those I disagree with I openly disdain.

but the government is around to help insulate my health, safety, and financial well-being from the less beneficent souls in this world.

The hell it is! Where in the name of all that's holy libtard did you get THAT loony tunes idea??? You are responsible for...you! Not the damned nanny state you worship.

but the government is not being an over-reaching nanny by making that behaviour illegal in public spaces.

Better keep your liberal lungs indoors. Those cars? They emit poisons! Get on the phone to your favorite Demoncrat right frackin' now! And oh, those stinky diesels! And coal fired power plants! And evaporating dino fuels! And foundries! And refineries! Why <gasp> they're ALL in PUBLIC places!!!! OMGWFBBQ!

I assume you do drive a plug-in electric car that's only recharged from solar panels...amirite? And let's ban all the cell phones that heat your brain up! Might as well make life safe for everyone...it be da goobermint's duty and reason for it to be!

Goobermint will fix it fo' me and protect me from all the eeevil!

like i have said, i am for having the liberty to make choices.

Uh...which side of your mouth are you talking out of? The Feinswine or Pelosi side? Well, as long as YOU agree with those choices You are all for them. Let's be accurate here.

Those that would surrender liberty for security deserve neither.

Guess who already surrendered?

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i've never hidden my political beliefs.
Well, it's high time you started!

because you, like those on the fringes of the republican party, believe dissent should be shouted down or muzzled? very first amendment of you, comrade.
Quote: i also have never hidden my disdain for ill constructed arguments.
Translation: Those I disagree with I openly disdain.

actually, i've been quite ecumenical in my rebuttals to those i've felt had a better argument in their posts regardless of their political affiliations, but needed to think a bit harder on them. and, frankly, you show an inability to engage other posters without resorting to insults concerning their beliefs. and truth be told, you have done more to politicise this chat room than any other, and that with your use of insulting tones.
Quote: but the government is around to help insulate my health, safety, and financial well-being from the less beneficent souls in this world.
The hell it is! Where in the name of all that's holy libtard did you get THAT loony tunes idea??? You are responsible for...you! Not the damned nanny state you worship.

so how does the military figure in your warped reality? do you personally deliver your own mail to the recipient? are you burying all your savings in the backyard because the fdic is a "communist plot" dreamed up by "libtard lesbians?" i imagine that you choose which side of the road on which to drive based solely on your whims? polio was brought to an end thanks to government efforts. epidemics are less likely thanks to co-ordinated efforts through the cdc. again, your argument is quite thoughtless and filled mostly with ridicule rather than a pointed rebuttal.
Quote: but the government is not being an over-reaching nanny by making that behaviour illegal in public spaces.
Better keep your liberal lungs indoors. Those cars? They emit poisons! Get on the phone to your favorite Demoncrat right frackin' now! And oh, those stinky diesels! And coal fired power plants! And evaporating dino fuels! And foundries! And refineries! Why <gasp> they're ALL in PUBLIC places!!!! OMGWFBBQ!
I assume you do drive a plug-in electric car that's only recharged from solar panels...amirite? And let's ban all the cell phones that heat your brain up! Might as well make life safe for everyone...it be da goobermint's duty and reason for it to be!
Goobermint will fix it fo' me and protect me from all the eeevil!

cars do emit poisons. that part you have right. they pollute far less than they did thanks to the epa. same goes for power plants and foundries and refineries. foggy london town wasn't really foggy any more than johnstown, pennsylvania, or los angeles. and unless you are drinking your water from a well that you dug, you are less likely to die of a water borne disease thanks to standards set and enforced by the epa and paid for by taxes. unless you are slaughtering your own livestock, the same for your provender. as for the rest of that bit of your diatribe, by all means, wire your own house with stereo wire and 220 volts. another government regulation brought about because of people who did and we found that to be a bad idea.
Quote: like i have said, i am for having the liberty to make choices.
Uh...which side of your mouth are you talking out of? The Feinswine or Pelosi side? Well, as long as YOU agree with those choices You are all for them. Let's be accurate here.
Those that would surrender liberty for security deserve neither.
Guess who already surrendered?

yes, let's be accurate here. so, you think it's a good thing to make a choice and be unsupportive of it? you seem to be living in the world of the black helicopter spotters, and quite likely a high-ranking official, given some of your rather distasteful, hate-filled characterisations of the people posting here, the world in general, and those with whom you disagree. as was stated to me by a friend in texas quoting his grandfather, "democracy is a great thing. it's just a shame that we all have to live with it." in other words, we are not a dictatorship. we are a republic with democratically elected representatives. the union exists for all of us. and the reality of this world is it cannot exist if we are to adhere to your demand for a plebiscite form of government.

i offer this as a bit of constructive criticism. debate the idea and leave the personal insults out. you do resort to them when you have nothing to counter a point. and please stop politicising this web site. not every topic needs your personal political view added to it.

slovakguy said:

because you, like those on the fringes of the republican party, believe dissent should be shouted down or muzzled?  very first amendment of you, comrade. actually, i've been quite ecumenical in my rebuttals to those i've felt had a better argument in their posts regardless of their political affiliations, but needed to think a bit harder on them.  and, frankly, you show an inability to engage other posters without resorting to insults concerning their beliefs.  and truth be told, you have done more to politicise this chat room than any other, and that with your use of insulting tones. so how does the military figure in your warped reality?  do you personally deliver your own mail to the recipient?  are you burying all your savings in the backyard because the fdic is a "communist plot" dreamed up by "libtard lesbians?"  i imagine that you choose which side of the road on which to drive based solely on your whims?  polio was brought to an end thanks to government efforts.  epidemics are less likely thanks to co-ordinated efforts through the cdc.  again, your argument is quite thoughtless and filled mostly with ridicule rather than a pointed rebuttal. cars do emit poisons.  that part you have right.  they pollute far less than the did thanks to the epa.  same goes for power plants and foundries and refineries.  foggy london town wasn't really foggy any more than johnstown, pennsylvania, or los angeles.  and unless you are drinking your water from a well that you dug, you are less likely to die of a water borne disease thanks to standards set and enforced by the epa and paid for by taxes.  unless you are slaughtering your own livestock, the same for your provender.  as for the rest of that bit of your diatribe, by all means, wire your own house with stereo wire and 220 volts.  another government regulation brought about because of people who did and we found that to be a bad idea. yes, let's be accurate here.  so, you think it's a good thing to make a choice and be unsupportive of it?  you seem to be living in the world of the black helicopter spotters, and quite likely a high-ranking official, given some of your rather distasteful, hate-filled characterisations of the people posting here, the world in general, and those with whom you disagree.  as was stated to me by a friend in texas quoting his grandfather, "democracy is a great thing.  it's just a shame that we all have to live with it."  in other words, we are not a dictatorship.  we are a republic with democratically elected representatives.  the union exists for all of us.  and the reality of this world is it cannot exist if we are to adhere to your demand for a plebiscite form of government. i offer this as a bit of constructive criticism.  debate the idea and leave the personal insults out.  you do resort to them when you have nothing to counter a point.  and please stop politicising this web site.  not every topic needs your personal political view added to it.

Well said.

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Originally Posted by slovakguy [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

cars do emit poisons. that part you have right. they pollute far less than the did thanks to the epa. same goes for power plants and foundries and refineries. foggy london town wasn't really foggy any more than johnstown, pennsylvania, or los angeles.

Refineries are one of the more poluting places out there but there's an irony at work here. In the US there are several refineries, including the one that I work at, that are attempting to upgrade key facilities to replace units that were built over 60 years ago - way before the EPA was around - however, environmental groups have cited oddball reasons and blocked via the courts, work on said projects so we'll keep using outdated equipmentment and poluting but poluting less than we did a couple of decades ago though...

Powerplants - being that I'm in idiotsville, sorry California, our powerplants are old, inefficient, unreliable and poluting. Sweet. The only good thing that's happened here with regards to power is the renewable energy plans - massive wind power development in a State that's pretty windy.

Foggy London town hasn't really been foggy since the '56 clean air act. Why the belief that London is a foggy place continues to this day is a mystery...

swampy1970 said:

Foggy London town hasn't really been foggy since the '56 clean air act. Why the belief that London is a foggy place continues to this day is a mystery...

I think you're confusing "Foggy London" with "Foggy", aka Carl Fogarty, a steely eyed motorcycle racing god, but he was from Blackburn, Lancashire, not London.......so I guess you'd have to call him Blackburn Foggy......nevermind. [img]img.thesun.co.ukfogarty 1114887a.jpgOpen ↗[/img]

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I think you're confusing "Foggy London" with "Foggy", aka Carl Fogarty, a steely eyed motorcycle racing god, but he was from Blackburn, Lancashire, not London.......so I guess you'd have to call him Blackburn Foggy......nevermind.
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I used to live about 12 miles from the lad... Ironically he wouldn't ride a motorcycle on the road as he said it was to dangerous.

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Originally Posted by swampy1970 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]
Refineries are one of the more poluting places out there but there's an irony at work here. In the US there are several refineries, including the one that I work at, that are attempting to upgrade key facilities to replace units that were built over 60 years ago - way before the EPA was around - however, environmental groups have cited oddball reasons and blocked via the courts, work on said projects so we'll keep using outdated equipmentment and poluting but poluting less than we did a couple of decades ago though...
Powerplants - being that I'm in idiotsville, sorry California, our powerplants are old, inefficient, unreliable and poluting. Sweet. The only good thing that's happened here with regards to power is the renewable energy plans - massive wind power development in a State that's pretty windy.
Foggy London town hasn't really been foggy since the '56 clean air act. Why the belief that London is a foggy place continues to this day is a mystery...

agreed on the refinery point. but over the course of just a few decades, the total systemic impact has been lessened. neither here nor there, but just watch those opening scenes of "the blues brothers" as they drive toward chicago. i can tell you that that little neck of highway looks nowhere near as smoggy as that helicopter shot. the retirement of older refineries has had a bit to do with that. i make no apology for california as my ex-wife is from there. i frankly do not understand californians.

as for power plants, here, we have one plant operating below capacity while one located just about 100 miles away is still in operation. the utility keeps them both on line. eventually (less than five years, if the plant employees are to be believed. since it is their livelihood they are talking about, i believe them) the older one will be taken off line rather than upgraded and capacity shifted to the cleaner plant.

as for the foggy reference, i realise that you know that i was being facetious. their air is far less smoggy now than then. the same for johnstown. same for los angeles with california's emphasis on reducing pollution in a decidedly motor car addicted community.

swampy1970 said:

I used to live about 12 miles from the lad... Ironically he wouldn't ride a motorcycle on the road as he said it was to dangerous.

I wouldn't ride a motorcycle on the road, either, if I had Michaela Fogarty at home to ride.

Good point...

actually, i've been quite ecumenical in my rebuttals to those i've felt had a better argument in their posts regardless of their political affiliations, but needed to think a bit harder on them. and, frankly, you show an inability to engage other posters without resorting to insults concerning their beliefs. and truth be told, you have done more to politicise this chat room than any other, and that with your use of insulting tones.

If you feel insulted, there is usually a reason why that is so. This is America. You are free to believe as you want. You are also free to be laughed at because of those beliefs. If you feel insulted by the sound of the laughter...oh well. There's not much I can do other than try to keep the snickering down...which I do.

Quote: but the government is around to help insulate my health, safety, and financial well-being from the less beneficent souls in this world.
The hell it is! Where in the name of all that's holy libtard did you get THAT loony tunes idea??? You are responsible for...you! Not the damned nanny state you worship.

so how does the military figure in your warped reality? do you personally deliver your own mail to the recipient? are you burying all your savings in the backyard because the fdic is a "communist plot" dreamed up by "libtard lesbians?" i imagine that you choose which side of the road on which to drive based solely on your whims? polio was brought to an end thanks to government efforts. epidemics are less likely thanks to co-ordinated efforts through the cdc. again, your argument is quite thoughtless and filled mostly with ridicule rather than a pointed rebuttal.

There you go with your insults, again. You insult others while wining about insults. Now, go all third grade and whine about who hit who first. To your 'point'.

The U.S. military has absolutely ZERO to do with my health and finances and almost zero when it comes to my 'safety'. Especially in the context of this discussion. But, feel free to keep backpedalling faster than a head-down Spaniard in the Tour headed for the posterior of a rider stopped on the road ahead of him.

The pittance I pay in taxes to support them is negligable and given willingly.

Quote: but the government is not being an over-reaching nanny by making that behaviour illegal in public spaces.
Better keep your liberal lungs indoors. Those cars? They emit poisons! Get on the phone to your favorite Demoncrat right frackin' now! And oh, those stinky diesels! And coal fired power plants! And evaporating dino fuels! And foundries! And refineries! Why <gasp> they're ALL in PUBLIC places!!!! OMGWFBBQ!
I assume you do drive a plug-in electric car that's only recharged from solar panels...amirite? And let's ban all the cell phones that heat your brain up! Might as well make life safe for everyone...it be da goobermint's duty and reason for it to be!
Goobermint will fix it fo' me and protect me from all the eeevil!

cars do emit poisons. that part you have right. they pollute far less than they did thanks to the epa. same goes for power plants and foundries and refineries. foggy london town wasn't really foggy any more than johnstown, pennsylvania, or los angeles. and unless you are drinking your water from a well that you dug, you are less likely to die of a water borne disease thanks to standards set and enforced by the epa and paid for by taxes. unless you are slaughtering your own livestock, the same for your provender. as for the rest of that bit of your diatribe, by all means, wire your own house with stereo wire and 220 volts. another government regulation brought about because of people who did and we found that to be a bad idea.

I do drink water from my own well .Two of them, actually. SCREW the EPA. And screw those that worship it. One well is dug. One is drilled with a pounder rig. Please tell me when I'm 'likely' to die. I really want to have some advance warning on that. Thx.

My well. NOT the government's. My water. NOT the governments and certainly NOT yours. My water standards. NOT the government's.

When will I die from drinking my water?

Septic is mine, also. Not the government's [censored] either...although I read a lot of that stuff here. Is that hate speach?

NO building regs here either. NONE. If I wanted to live in a pole building I could. No structural inspection. No electrical inspection. No plumbing inspection. No site inspection period. Please tell us how we all manage without big sisters telling us how to live? Thx.

I eat beef, pork, chicken and eggs right off the farm. I have not bought USDA inspected meat in almost two decades, other than some eateries, and I'm still alive and doing well. Now...about all those E coli and lysteria outbreaks...

Please tell us how we've all managed not to die or when we will. Thx.

So...all the Euros wire at 220V have a bad idea???WTF? Talk about "diatribes" (An insulting term! I protesteth to da goobermint!). And anyway, my generator puts out 110 AND 220 because...oh, my well pump, dryer and air require 220. Another bad idea. Now, please backpedal some more.

Sorry, you're the one living on your knees in front of your government. And apparantly loving every minute of it. If the truth somehow has become an insult I can certainly understand why you are in such pain. Not my fault, brah.

Am I "engaging" your "debating" enough? Surely I have not "insulted" you! I really hope my "tone" is pleasing to your ears.And I certainly hope I've stayed 'on point' enough to increase your happiness and joy this fine morning.

Quote: like i have said, i am for having the liberty to make choices.
Uh...which side of your mouth are you talking out of? The Feinswine or Pelosi side? Well, as long as YOU agree with those choices You are all for them. Let's be accurate here.
Those that would surrender liberty for security deserve neither.
Guess who already surrendered?

yes, let's be accurate here. so, you think it's a good thing to make a choice and be unsupportive of it? you seem to be living in the world of the black helicopter spotters, and quite likely a high-ranking official, given some of your rather distasteful, hate-filled characterisations of the people posting here, the world in general, and those with whom you disagree. as was stated to me by a friend in texas quoting his grandfather, "democracy is a great thing. it's just a shame that we all have to live with it." in other words, we are not a dictatorship. we are a republic with democratically elected representatives. the union exists for all of us. and the reality of this world is it cannot exist if we are to adhere to your demand for a plebiscite form of government.

Ah...more insults! Thank you. Comparing democracy to mob rule and socialism....

i offer this as a bit of constructive criticism. debate the idea and leave the personal insults out.

Sure. Right after you do.

you do resort to them when you have nothing to counter a point. and please stop politicising this web site. not every topic needs your personal political view added to it.

You seem to be quite willing to do the same. Hypocrit much?

Re-read the very first line of this thread: Cycling is all about freedom.

That it is. And you certainly are opposed to someone else's opinion about it. Limiting freedom...that's exactly what you seem to be about.

I forgot to add...since you brought it up...that electric company that supplies my home?

I'm not just a customer...I'm an OWNER. It's a coop. One free month of juice per year AND a dividend check. All praise and glory to liberty, freedom and capitalism! I don't need no stinkin' socialist politician telling how to plug in my toaster! Heheh! I guess I shouldn't bring up the local narrow gauge railway that doesn't meet the 4' 8-1/2" national standard...

And all praise to the bike cafe! Where we're free to discuss politics and helmets making us go bald!...er...wait...wut?!?!

Our founder's forum motto:

Have a good time,

Thanks! I am!

make new friends.

I have! And at least one frenemy!

Off topic chit chat belongs in here.

Uh...I thought so, but maybe not?

All y'all ride safely...helmeted head or no helmet! It's a glorious morning here and I hope it is in YOUR world!

CB if you ever run for political office please let me know. The entertainment value from the campaign would be priceless.🙂

My father went off to war to fight the Socialist during World War Two. My brother and I fought them again during Vietnam. I spent.... what today still seems like a lifetime preparing, training, and being a part of the military machine that forces it's will on people... often by killing them.

I have [Thank God] never taken a human life. My father wasn't as lucky... he saw much lost of life to preserve American freedoms. Repelling the tyrannical Socialist threat has always been freedoms greatest struggle. Generally the conflict comes from foreign forces... but sometimes from within. But I've sworn an oath [all military and elected officials have] to uphold the Constitution... and come hell or high water... I will.

No human on Earth looks in the mirror in the morning and wonders how they might do wrong. Not sharing my values... does not lower the value of the human that just doesn't understand. But not understanding the American insistence for freedom... has always been a deadly error.

I have often prayed that I will be spared the killing. I am old now... I've done my duty for God and country. But if needed.... I will answer the call. God bless the Socialist.... I wish you the best in any upcoming conformations.

Dave, thanks for your service. What socialist forces were we fighting in WW2? As I understood it is was facism on all sides. Germany (the so-called National Socialist Party having little or nothing to do with actual socialism), Italy, and Japan.

CB if you ever run for political office please let me know. The entertainment value from the campaign would be priceless.🙂

LMAO!

You get it!!!!![IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/icon14.gif[/IMG]

I couldn't get myself elected County Dog Catcher!

It's more fun to laugh than whine and I'm really hoping all the laughter helps me live longer...despite some wishing otherwise!

What socialist forces were we fighting in WW2?

Many Americans fought on both sides in the Spanish Civil War, which was just a dress rehersal for WW2 and there's a chance he was of Finnish descent and fought in the Winter War. Or the Continuation War...although that gets REALLY confusing.

...and this just in...Generalissimo Francisco Franco is STILL dead! (sorry, couldn't resist!)

And despite the NDSP being far more fascist than socialist...and them attempting to destroy some real commies (more for conquest and being historical enemies than political ideology clashes IMO...)...there were some socialist trends in their governence.

There is also quite a case to be made that the Japanese were socialists. Feudal, Monarchical, Warlards...but a bunch of socialists none the less.

Wait!!! Wut just happened here?

We're not talking about helmets!!! And how they are a commie pinko plot to make us bald and impotent!

This is worse than when they put flouride in Slovenianguy's goobermint drinking water supply!

Where's the "Report this post" button? Call out the Moderator's Flying Squad!!! We're <gasp> POLITICIZING bike helmets again! And NO ONE wants to read about that icky stuff!

Oh well, back to politely discussing asploding Time machines and the scientific merits of how the wind blows noise to and fro. I gotta go bone up on my hate speech, improve my soothing cyber tone and put in another couple hours on my Manifesto.

I promise to also work harder to NOT insult people from small countries when I have no ammunition to debate their very fine points of discussion...although I AM one of those that are rarely out of ammunition!

Congrat's on surviving 'Nam, Dave.

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Originally Posted by danfoz [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

Dave, thanks for your service. What socialist forces were we fighting in WW2? As I understood it is was facism on all sides. Germany (the so-called National Socialist Party having little or nothing to do with actual socialism), Italy, and Japan.

You should have told that to the solders and sailors that fought that war! I understand your desire to rewrite history... but a few of those people are still alive. So called NASI? A little rusty with your German as well as your history?

Don't thank me for my service... empty words are meaningless... and border on insult. Trust me... no one serves for hollow words of thanks. I know you think that twisting words make you look or sound cleaver. And maybe if you had been the first... or even within the first million or so to try the modern lies... you might seem more like a confused yet trustworthy person. Those old often repeated fools lies... just make you look tired.. and dishonest. Sorry.