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  1. On Apr 30, 11:43 am, rooman <rooman.2pu...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    suzyj said:

    Brendo wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just don't see why I should pay a higher price for the
    same item, without any reason, other than pocketing more
    money off me. And that's from my consumer point of view.
    In the long run, whether I buy one frame or not is going to
    have bugger all difference on his business.

    Quoted message said:

    You don't have to. You can give them a US address and ask him to ship
    the frame there. Then arrange for it to be shipped back.

    Quoted message said:

    Thylacine has the right to price their frames as they see fit. Clearly
    they're trying hard to break into the competitive US market, and
    pricing their frames to the US accordingly.

    Quoted message said:

    You have the right to not buy from them if you feel they're
    overcharging. You should also feel free to complain to your mates (as
    you clearly have done). You can't force them to sell something to you
    at a lower price without being in the lower price market though.

    Quoted message said:

    The Australian market for bike parts is miniscule, and local pricing
    reflects that. Pricing has nothing to do with what something costs to
    make, and everything to do with what the market is prepared to pay. Why
    else would the price difference between, for example, record and chorus
    parts be so huge when the difference in materials and quality is
    stuff-all.

    Thylacine make all their bikes in the US, Brendo found that out after a
    bit of too-ing and fro-ing, but they are quite clear on their website
    their philosphy on a number of things, including where their bikes and
    components come from and why.

    They have a marketing presence in the USA which serves that local
    demand. Their founder and owner happens to live in Melbourne and thus
    also supports local Oz enquiry to supply his bikes to order. Shipping
    to Oz is a factor of end price, just as much as market forces.

    Obviously the first explanation Brendo got didnt clarify that, it
    embarked on a market pricing scenario that seemed odd to many readers.

    There are heaps of frames in the market that people pay huge dollars
    for purley on market hype... call it bling, coffee shop cred, whatever
    you want...and those bikes are often not at all "value" when one looks
    at suitability for the new owner...but money is made round to go
    round...we each have to decide what we will choose to buy and why and
    that's that.

    If securing the best value custom frame was the primary objective, it
    probably still can be sourced from Australia, and Melbourne at
    that...all depends on what each of us considers value, so that
    subjective thing "Value", objectively equates to market worth and what
    market demand/price expectation is...

    Cheap often doesnt mean value, value isnt necessarily the best and the
    best isnt necessarily expensive, so its a merry go round to work your
    way through...

    isnt life fun!

    --
    rooman- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    I must apologise. It does state on the website that that his frames
    are made in the US, in the Verbage part.

    Mmmm, humble pie, tastes funny.

    Brendo

  2. Brendo said:

    On Apr 30, 11:43 am, rooman <rooman.2pu...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    suzyj said:

    Brendo wrote:
    > I just don't see why I should pay a higher price for the
    > same item, without any reason, other than pocketing more
    > money off me. And that's from my consumer point of view.
    > In the long run, whether I buy one frame or not is going to
    > have bugger all difference on his business.
    You don't have to. You can give them a US address and ask him to ship
    the frame there. Then arrange for it to be shipped back.
    Thylacine has the right to price their frames as they see fit. Clearly
    they're trying hard to break into the competitive US market, and
    pricing their frames to the US accordingly.
    You have the right to not buy from them if you feel they're
    overcharging. You should also feel free to complain to your mates (as
    you clearly have done). You can't force them to sell something to you
    at a lower price without being in the lower price market though.
    The Australian market for bike parts is miniscule, and local pricing
    reflects that. Pricing has nothing to do with what something costs to
    make, and everything to do with what the market is prepared to pay. Why
    else would the price difference between, for example, record and chorus
    parts be so huge when the difference in materials and quality is
    stuff-all.


    Thylacine make all their bikes in the US, Brendo found that out after a
    bit of too-ing and fro-ing, but they are quite clear on their website
    their philosphy on a number of things, including where their bikes and
    components come from and why.

    They have a marketing presence in the USA which serves that local
    demand. Their founder and owner happens to live in Melbourne and thus
    also supports local Oz enquiry to supply his bikes to order. Shipping
    to Oz is a factor of end price, just as much as market forces.

    Obviously the first explanation Brendo got didnt clarify that, it
    embarked on a market pricing scenario that seemed odd to many readers.

    There are heaps of frames in the market that people pay huge dollars
    for purley on market hype... call it bling, coffee shop cred, whatever
    you want...and those bikes are often not at all "value" when one looks
    at suitability for the new owner...but money is made round to go
    round...we each have to decide what we will choose to buy and why and
    that's that.

    If securing the best value custom frame was the primary objective, it
    probably still can be sourced from Australia, and Melbourne at
    that...all depends on what each of us considers value, so that
    subjective thing "Value", objectively equates to market worth and what
    market demand/price expectation is...

    Cheap often doesnt mean value, value isnt necessarily the best and the
    best isnt necessarily expensive, so its a merry go round to work your
    way through...

    isnt life fun!

    --
    rooman- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    I must apologise. It does state on the website that that his frames
    are made in the US, in the Verbage part.

    Mmmm, humble pie, tastes funny.

    Brendo

    Old timers from this newsgroup will remember that I bought some cheap
    titanium frames from China a few years ago. I'd just like to say that
    after a huge amount of use I've finally retired the Ti mountain bike as
    I've converted to disc brakes which the ti frame doesn't accommodate. My
    new bike is a Giant Trance 1. My old frame is for sale if anyone's
    interested.

    Friday

  3. Do you have the geometry info for the frame? I might be interested.

  4. SomeGuy said:

    Do you have the geometry info for the frame? I might be interested.

    It's a fairly standard frame. Send your email address to mart at
    geo.net.au and I'll send you some pics and info.

    Friday

  5. Brendo said:


    I'm contacting some US and UK framebuilders to see if that sort of
    thing works in reverse i.e a frame that would cost a Yank $2500Aus
    will only cost me $1800.

    Bob Jackson is popular with the fixie crew here (UK) at the moment. Prices here:
    bobjacksoncycles.co.ukdefault.php

    Mercian are popular boutique builders:
    merciancycles.cominternational.asp

    Brian Rourke:
    brianrourke.co.ukrourke framesets c 86.html
    brianrourke.co.ukbrian rourke road race frameset p 666.html

    Witcomb (nice geezer runs this, currently welding my GT frame):
    witcombcycles.comhandbuiltframes.htm

    It could be that he'd ordered materials when the AUD vs. USD was in USD's favour and now loses out but that'd be some change! Really, it sounds like a load of bollocks to me. How much do you really want his frame?

    WIth the weak USD it might be a good time to order something from one of the US custom builders - they've certainly got their stuff together

    hippy

  6. On May 11, 5:58 am, hippy <hippy.2qe...@no-

    mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:
    Brendo said:

    I'm contacting some US and UK framebuilders to see if that sort of
    thing works in reverse i.e a frame that would cost a Yank $2500Aus
    will only cost me $1800.

    Bob Jackson is popular with the fixie crew here (UK) at the moment.
    Prices here:http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/default.php?cPath=48

    Mercian are popular boutique builders:http://www.merciancycles.com/international.asp

    Brian Rourke:http://www.brianrourke.co.uk/rourke-framesets-c-86.htmlhttp://www.brianrourke.co.uk/brian-rourke-road-race-frameset-p-666.ht...

    Witcomb (nice geezer runs this, currently welding my GT frame):http://www.witcombcycles.com/handbuiltframes.htm

    It could be that he'd ordered materials when the AUD vs. USD was in
    USD's favour and now loses out but that'd be some change! Really, it
    sounds like a load of bollocks to me. How much do you really want his
    frame?

    WIth the weak USD it might be a good time to order something from one
    of the US custom builders - they've certainly got their stuff together

    hippy

    --
    hippy

    Hippy, I've subsequently found out the the frames need to be shipped
    from US to Australia, hence most of the difference in price. Most US
    builders are pretty good on price, but when you add shipping, convert
    to Aus$$, add duties (5%), plus GST on the whole lot (10%) it's really
    neither here nor there[a]. Prices pretty much match Australian
    builders. Plus it's probably worth a bit extra to know that you can
    either a) go to the floor and get physically fitted, and b) not have
    shipping hassles if things go pear.

    [a] eg $1500US frame & fork add $150us shipping = $1963 Aus (at $1aus
    = 84cUS)
    Add duties and GST (15.5% all up) = $2267Aus.

    I do admit I did go off a little half cocked in some of the posts.

    Brendo

  7. Brendo said:


    Hippy, I've subsequently found out the the frames need to be shipped
    from US to Australia, hence most of the difference in price. Most US
    builders are pretty good on price, but when you add shipping, convert
    to Aus$$, add duties (5%), plus GST on the whole lot (10%) it's really
    neither here nor there[a]. Prices pretty much match Australian
    builders. Plus it's probably worth a bit extra to know that you can
    either a) go to the floor and get physically fitted, and b) not have
    shipping hassles if things go pear.

    [a] eg $1500US frame & fork add $150us shipping = $1963 Aus (at $1aus
    = 84cUS)
    Add duties and GST (15.5% all up) = $2267Aus.

    I do admit I did go off a little half cocked in some of the posts.

    Aye, okay, me too 🙂

    I remember the cost of shipping fancy US rollers to Oz was the reason I didn't ship fancy US rollers to Oz! Postage was more than the bloody equipment!

    Do you have to pay GST on something imported from the US?

    We are almost 2:1 UKP:USD 🙂 Even with stupid duties I got my HRM for £60 less than the cheapest online retailer here.

    hippy

  8. hippy said:


    Do you have to pay GST on something imported from the US?

    Yup, and probably duty, depending on the origin of the materials and
    labor costs

    Rob

  9. Parbs said:
    hippy said:

    Do you have to pay GST on something imported from the US?

    Yup, and probably duty, depending on the origin of the materials and
    labor costs

    Rob

    I sent the OP a PM just after his OP. Now, as the thread continues, I
    will make my comments more public...
    I had a touring bicycle frame, forks and wheels built by Arvon Starcy
    of Tofield, Alberta, Canada.

    I chose him for 2 reasons: first there was his price - a heck of a lot
    less than the USD. Mind you now that the USD is falling against many
    other currencies that may not be as much of an issue. Second was the
    fact that he built bicycles for a group of cyclists going from El
    terro de Fuego (S Chile) to the North Shore (I think) of Alaska.
    Tough, tough bicycles..

    If he built a bicyle that would survive that trip from the S to the N
    (poles almost), then he had my $$ to build me a touring bicycle that
    would work fine from Cairns to Darwin - especially along the dirt
    portions.

    The bike worked well. My leg brace held up. There were several
    component failures (Shimano stuff). The 48 spoke wheels were pretty
    well indestructable - and the Lord knows I did have my mishaps..

    Arvon was really interested in my trip and the bicycle fit really
    well. I am glad I used his racks. I am glad I used an old Brooks
    saddle. I am glad I went on that trip.

    Arvon "may" ship the bicycle anywhere - you gotta ask him. I had S&S
    "connectors" put on the frame, so that approach may solve the "mail"
    issues regarding parcel size.

    You can contact him at: [email hidden]

    Mention my bicycle and it will get your concerns into "perspective"
    really fast. I showed him my size (in pics) and showed him my leg
    brace. I gave him the dimensions he needed and - WOW! What a bicycle.
    It will come with me to the UAE this August, then on to Perth a year
    from now so that I can bicycle between Perth and Alice Springs via
    Kalgoorlie and Giles Met. Station.

    Regards..
    Ken

  10. Quoted message said:

    You can contact him at: [email hidden]


    That should be [email hidden]

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