Frame Kit vs. Basic Model?

[gotbent]

Yo homey, I thought you'd figure those comments were pretty over the top and
meant as humor. It looks basically like you have the erudite exterior, but
you are brimming with anger inside. WTF! If you want a bunch of ass kissing
toadys to play with go over to BROL. You can be the new Pietro the Putz over
there. I find you amazingly free with insults, like Ed Dolan. Arre you his
sock puppet? Maybe you are really Johnny NoComm with another phony nom d'
net. Enjoy the Streetmachine. Enjoy the face to face haggling match at the
bike shop. Be cool when you reply to this, because you are in electric limbo
to me and no longer exist. Pfffffttttt.....gone.




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[Edward Dolan]

"Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> We on ARBR no
>> longer have any interest in uprights, knowing how uncomfortable they are,
>> but it may be that in time many of you presently on uprights will come
>> around to recumbents.
>
> I am 100% comfortable on my upright. I feel better on my bike than in
> my Aeron at work. You can't assume that just because you are
> uncomfortable on them that everyone else is too.
[...]

It is just a matter of time. One day you will decide that your good and
faithful upright is just causing you too much discomfort. You will most
likely discover this on a very long all day kind of ride. At that point you
will either think of giving up cycling altogether or look around for a more
comfortable type of bike. As you will not longer care so much about being
fast all the time, you will have to consider a recumbent as the only
possible solution to the discomfort problem. I actually envy you when you
reach this station in your life because shopping for a recumbent is just
about the most fun you can possibly have.

I grow old . I grow old .
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"NYC XYZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Mike Reed wrote:
[...]
>> I'd like to have a bent one day I think, but not as a replacement for
>> anything.
>
> I agree -- I can still see a need for my upwrong, which is very comfy
> to me, my great Trek 1000c, with which I've done 800 miles in three
> months of riding. But for those long trips now, it's gonna be 'bent
> all the way, baby! The DF will be for stores and when running with the
> wolves.

NYC has got this essentially right. Uprights are for short hops about town.
You are normally on them for a matter of minutes, not hours - certainly not
for days at a time.

When I was a kid I had a bike of course, but I do not think I ever rode it
for more than a few minutes at a time. I think that is how kids still ride
their bikes. It is only when you become an adult and want to do more
extended kinds of bike rides that you discover just how uncomfortable they
are.

For week long tours, a reucmbent is the only thing that makes any sense. I
actually feel sorry for all those poor slobs who are on uprights. They
suffer needlessly. A recumbent would solve all their discomfort problems
forever more.

>> I think it would be cool to get a faring and really tear it
>> up on the flats. For the most part though, I like being able to hop
>> hazards, cheat curbs, trackstand, climb Jester (Austin), etc on my
>> upright (in complete comfort).
>
> I think most folks would choose a 'bent if only 1) the knew about
> 'bents in the first place; 2) the costs weren't so prohibitive; 3) it
> had sex appeal. There's a time and place for DFs, but "normally" (in a
> "normative" rather than "descriptive" sense) 'bents would be the norm,
> not the exception.

NYC has got it right again. I am surprised anyone so young can be so smart.
He is way ahead of the game. The rest of you should get on board. To put up
with pain and discomfort on a bike marks you as stubborn and kind of stupid
really. I tried to hang in there on my upright until I decided the damn
thing was never going to be comfortable, no matter what I did to it. Once I
got into recumbents, I never looked back.

Uprights are nothing but torture racks. Why go to Hell before you die? Get a
recumbent and learn what Heaven is like!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[G.T.]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> > We on ARBR no
> >> longer have any interest in uprights, knowing how uncomfortable they
are,
> >> but it may be that in time many of you presently on uprights will come
> >> around to recumbents.
> >
> > I am 100% comfortable on my upright. I feel better on my bike than in
> > my Aeron at work. You can't assume that just because you are
> > uncomfortable on them that everyone else is too.
> [...]
>
> It is just a matter of time. One day you will decide that your good and
> faithful upright is just causing you too much discomfort.

When I'm 86 years old? There's a guy that rides locally who's 85 and loves
his Gios. If he can ride an upright and be comfortable at 85 then there's
hope that I will, too.

Greg

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

NYC XYZ wrote:
> ...
> But I do wonder why the SMGTe isn't more widely-mentioned...everyone
> talks about Rans and Easy Racers, etc....

What is a "Rans"?

--
Tom Sherman - 1999 RANS "Wavewind" [1] and 2000 RANS Rocket

[1] <http://www.ransbikes.com/Gallery/Archive/Sherman.htm>..

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

gotbent wrote:
>....what is the most asshole friendly toilet paper you can cram into a pannier....

"Killer B Asswipe [TM]" of course.

[Stirring the pot]

--
Tom Sherman

 

[Edward Dolan]

"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >
>> > We on ARBR no
>> >> longer have any interest in uprights, knowing how uncomfortable they
> are,
>> >> but it may be that in time many of you presently on uprights will come
>> >> around to recumbents.
>> >
>> > I am 100% comfortable on my upright. I feel better on my bike than in
>> > my Aeron at work. You can't assume that just because you are
>> > uncomfortable on them that everyone else is too.
>> [...]
>>
>> It is just a matter of time. One day you will decide that your good and
>> faithful upright is just causing you too much discomfort.
>
> When I'm 86 years old? There's a guy that rides locally who's 85 and
> loves
> his Gios. If he can ride an upright and be comfortable at 85 then there's
> hope that I will, too.
>
> Greg

Yes, I know a few types like that too. I call them Iron Men. I am not one of
them and most likely neither are you. You have to keep up your athleticism
in order to be comfortable on an upright. Most of us will not keep up our
athleticism after a certain age. It just becomes too tiresome to do it. At
that point, you will began to see the advantages of a recumbent.

I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

All top posters are idiots!

The stupid lout does not attribute either!

"gotbent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yo homey, I thought you'd figure those comments were pretty over the top
> and meant as humor.

You do not have brains enough to attempt humor. Leave that to those of us
who know how to use it. Even NYC is a hundred times better than you in that
department.

It looks basically like you have the erudite exterior, but
> you are brimming with anger inside.

Try some erudite exterior yourself why don't you. I am convinced you are an
idiot. Prove me otherwise, why don't you?

WTF! If you want a bunch of ass kissing
> toadys to play with go over to BROL. You can be the new Pietro the Putz
> over there.

You would rather have the likes of Ed Gin here and his monkey islanders no
doubt. NYC is saving this freaking newsgroup from slobs like you.

I find you amazingly free with insults, like Ed Dolan. Arre you his
> sock puppet? Maybe you are really Johnny NoComm with another phony nom d'
> net.

NYC has a glimmer of intelligence the same as I do. That is why you find us
offensive. Why should we allow idiots like you to have the free run of this
newsgroup. You are the one who belongs over on BROL, not us who are free in
our comments and who tell it like it is.

If anyone here is Johnny NoComm I think it is gotbent. He was always very
sympathetic to that crew of human scum. They knew all about sock puppets,
just like gotbent does.

Enjoy the Streetmachine. Enjoy the face to face haggling match at the
> bike shop. Be cool when you reply to this, because you are in electric
> limbo to me and no longer exist. Pfffffttttt.....gone.

You bet, f*** you too! And f*** your Newsfeeds.Com with its "Total Privacy
via Encryption." If I were a scum bag like you I would want to be as private
as possible too.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Peter Clinch <[email protected]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> Upthread Mike Reed says his bike is comfortable for him.
>> I take it he means the /whole/ bike, not just its saddle.
>
> And my point remains, if it's "100% comfortable" then that implies
> no possible improvement anywhere, under any circumsatnces, at any
> time. Anyone that thinks such a thing is kidding themselves, and
> if that isn't what he meant it remains what he implied.

What exactly is wrong with Mike's bike?

> You can have something that is comfortable in an absolute sense,
> but still less comfortable than an alternative in a relative sense.
> Such is, IME, the case with a well set up upright bike and s
> similarly well suited recumbent. The first is good, the second better.

This is all sounding rather axiomatic to me.


cheers,
Tom

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[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> > We on ARBR no
> >> longer have any interest in uprights, knowing how uncomfortable they are,
> >> but it may be that in time many of you presently on uprights will come
> >> around to recumbents.
> >
> > I am 100% comfortable on my upright. I feel better on my bike than in
> > my Aeron at work. You can't assume that just because you are
> > uncomfortable on them that everyone else is too.
> [...]
>
> It is just a matter of time. One day you will decide that your good and
> faithful upright is just causing you too much discomfort. You will most
> likely discover this on a very long all day kind of ride. At that point you
> will either think of giving up cycling altogether or look around for a more
> comfortable type of bike. As you will not longer care so much about being
> fast all the time, you will have to consider a recumbent as the only
> possible solution to the discomfort problem. I actually envy you when you
> reach this station in your life because shopping for a recumbent is just
> about the most fun you can possibly have.
>
> I grow old . I grow old .
> I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
>
> T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

Let us go down certain half deserted streets;
Streets that follow like an argument of insidious intent.

--
Michael Press

 

[NYC XYZ]

Wigger, pleeze. Better take yo' Wonder Bread ass back to the 'burbs
'fore I shows you how ya got bent.



gotbent wrote:
> Yo homey, I thought you'd figure those comments were pretty over the top and
> meant as humor. It looks basically like you have the erudite exterior, but
> you are brimming with anger inside. WTF! If you want a bunch of ass kissing
> toadys to play with go over to BROL. You can be the new Pietro the Putz over
> there. I find you amazingly free with insults, like Ed Dolan. Arre you his
> sock puppet? Maybe you are really Johnny NoComm with another phony nom d'
> net. Enjoy the Streetmachine. Enjoy the face to face haggling match at the
> bike shop. Be cool when you reply to this, because you are in electric limbo
> to me and no longer exist. Pfffffttttt.....gone.
>
>
>
>
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[NYC XYZ]

Peter Clinch wrote:
>
>
> Compare like with like.

Well, no one was saying it was apples and oranges until just recently.

> For example, many cycle shops in the UK
> you can expect to haggle a fair bit off, at least in terms of free
> accessories, on a high end bike. My recumbent dealer won't do this
> and says so up front. Is that unreasonable? According to
> "industry standards" perhaps, but he's playing a very different
> game to almost all ther bike shops in the UK, and he's got a lot of
> happy customers queueing up to do repeat business.

So there you are then. Only you might've said that in the first place.

> So is he being
> reasonable? According to industry convention no, according to
> happy customers, yes.

No, I'm sure those happy customers would be even happier to have a
decent chance at lower prices (haggling).

> You appear to think you must before you're happy to ask him about
> anything.

I want to know. How's that "I think I must know before x, y, and z"?

> Well, if that's all you want then fine, just don't expect it to be
> of any actual /use/.

Utility is a separate though related issue, but one which you raise.

> You've got $4K of deserving being treated
> with due consideration like a reasonable adult by your dealer, why
> not take advantage of that fact? He's on your side if he's worth
> dealing with at all.

He bikes one of them Velomobile thinggys, so he sounds cool. The local
postman is a fan; he trikes and had stopped by to pick up a part,
parting with a hearty pat and recommendation. I just don't want to be
asking something like asking him to sacrifice his firstborn, is all. I
don't care about annoying y'all here on usenet; but he's got my bike
right now, and I'd rather keep him on my side if all it means is I do
some recon first.

> I had two choices of where to buy it in the UK, one of which was 80
> miles away and the other 450. So there wasn't much shopping around
> to do, but I was impressed by the service and apparent integrity of
> Ben, I liked the bike, so I was happy to buy it there. I've been
> back and bought other bikes since.

Very good. I'm glad there are folks who are nice to you.

> Well think about it for a couple of minutes... if you jack the
> front of the bike up far higher than it's designed that will pretty
> obviously affect things like the rake and thus quite possibly the
> handling. If you have rim brakes it will really help if the pads
> go somewhere near the rims of the wheels. Not rocket science.

Not mechanically-minded. I'm still trying to digest clipless pedals
and such. But I thought Ed Dolan the Grate was group moderator.

> What's wrong with 16" wheels? The Spirit is arguably a much better
> urban bike than the SMGT, which is right as that's what it's
> designed for, and not what the SMGT is designed for. Why is that
> "crummy"?

16" don't sound like a lot of travel, though I can imagine why they
went with that for the front wheel. But I don't understand why the
rear suspension seems compromised, compared to the SM line.

> Not where your personal intellectual interest lies, where actually
> getting the business done is concerned. My impression, perhaps
> false, is you were interested in actually progressing the
> transaction and learning exactly what you'd get, rather than what
> you might get in other places. It remains the case that the best
> person to tell you what you can expect from your dealer is your
> dealer, no matter /how/ much you argue or research otherwise.

And with that, I abandon you to your tautologies.

> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Michael Press" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
>> I grow old . I grow old .
>> I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
>>
>> T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
>
> Let us go down certain half deserted streets;
> Streets that follow like an argument of insidious intent.

Ah, yes ... a fellow connoisseur!

I do not see any reason why newsgroups should be so culturally deprived all
of the time. Wayne Leggett, the Poet of ARBR, would drag us all down to his
abysmal level if I would let him. I doubt he has ever even heard of T.S.
Eliot. I think there was recently a movie made about his life that I would
like to see if and when it ever shows up on TV.

In a college literature class we spent an entire two weeks on this single
poem. I was new to modern poetry, having read only the poets of earlier
centuries, so it came as quite a revelation to me that anything modern could
be so good. This particular poem has always stayed with me for some reason.
I think it is because I share the same view as Eliot on man and the 20th
century.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Michael Press]

In article
<[email protected]>,
Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > >
> > > We on ARBR no
> > >> longer have any interest in uprights, knowing how uncomfortable they are,
> > >> but it may be that in time many of you presently on uprights will come
> > >> around to recumbents.
> > >
> > > I am 100% comfortable on my upright. I feel better on my bike than in
> > > my Aeron at work. You can't assume that just because you are
> > > uncomfortable on them that everyone else is too.
> > [...]
> >
> > It is just a matter of time. One day you will decide that your good and
> > faithful upright is just causing you too much discomfort. You will most
> > likely discover this on a very long all day kind of ride. At that point you
> > will either think of giving up cycling altogether or look around for a more
> > comfortable type of bike. As you will not longer care so much about being
> > fast all the time, you will have to consider a recumbent as the only
> > possible solution to the discomfort problem. I actually envy you when you
> > reach this station in your life because shopping for a recumbent is just
> > about the most fun you can possibly have.
> >
> > I grow old . I grow old .
> > I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
> >
> > T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
>
> Let us go down certain half deserted streets;
> Streets that follow like an argument of insidious intent.
x^
tedious

--
Michael Press

 

[Edward Dolan]

"NYC XYZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Peter Clinch wrote:
[...]
> He bikes one of them Velomobile thinggys, so he sounds cool. The local
> postman is a fan; he trikes and had stopped by to pick up a part,
> parting with a hearty pat and recommendation. I just don't want to be
> asking something like asking him to sacrifice his firstborn, is all. I
> don't care about annoying y'all here on usenet; but he's got my bike
> right now, and I'd rather keep him on my side if all it means is I do
> some recon first.

The main thing is not to annoy me. You can annoy Peter Clinch all you want.
He is from the UK and has been a thorn in my side like forever. I have never
recovered from his damnable signature. One of these days I am even going to
go to his website and find out just how crazy he is.
[...]

>> Well think about it for a couple of minutes... if you jack the
>> front of the bike up far higher than it's designed that will pretty
>> obviously affect things like the rake and thus quite possibly the
>> handling. If you have rim brakes it will really help if the pads
>> go somewhere near the rims of the wheels. Not rocket science.
>
> Not mechanically-minded. I'm still trying to digest clipless pedals
> and such. But I thought Ed Dolan the Grate was group moderator.

I only kick in when I think assholes need to be corralled. I do not waste
much time discussing bikes and other minor stuff like that. By the way,
Peter Clinch is not bad as long as he stays on the subject. But never allow
him to get off topic. At that point you will quickly discover that he is an
idiot, a moron and an imbecile all rolled into one.
[...]

>> Not where your personal intellectual interest lies, where actually
>> getting the business done is concerned. My impression, perhaps
>> false, is you were interested in actually progressing the
>> transaction and learning exactly what you'd get, rather than what
>> you might get in other places. It remains the case that the best
>> person to tell you what you can expect from your dealer is your
>> dealer, no matter /how/ much you argue or research otherwise.
>
> And with that, I abandon you to your tautologies.

Well Hell Yes! That is what we do best here on ARBR. I am pretty damn good
at it myself. Only Mr. Sherman goes to the point usually. The rest of us
like to beat around the bush as much as possible. Mr. Varney of Old Kentucky
was a past master at this also until he got totally disgusted by me. He is
now only to be found on BROL where my types are not welcome.

We here on ARBR will lead you around in circles until you get dizzy and fall
from grace. You have been warned!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan the Grate wrote:
> ...
> I do not see any reason why newsgroups should be so culturally deprived all
> of the time. Wayne Leggett, the Poet of ARBR, would drag us all down to his
> abysmal level if I would let him. I doubt he has ever even heard of T.S.
> Eliot. I think there was recently a movie made about his life that I would
> like to see if and when it ever shows up on TV....

Does this movie about Wayne Leggett also feature LoGo Trikes?

Or has The Grate One tripped over an indefinite pronoun?

--
Tom Sherman

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan the Grate wrote:
> ...
> If anyone here is Johnny NoComm I think it is gotbent. He was always very
> sympathetic to that crew of human scum. They knew all about sock puppets,
> just like gotbent does.

Now you are contradicting yourself, O Grate One.

--
Tom Sherman

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan the Grate wrote:
>> ...
>> I do not see any reason why newsgroups should be so culturally deprived
>> all
>> of the time. Wayne Leggett, the Poet of ARBR, would drag us all down to
>> his
>> abysmal level if I would let him. I doubt he has ever even heard of T.S.
>> Eliot. I think there was recently a movie made about his life that I
>> would
>> like to see if and when it ever shows up on TV....
>
> Does this movie about Wayne Leggett also feature LoGo Trikes?
>
> Or has The Grate One tripped over an indefinite pronoun?

Certain assumptions as just assumed. No one in their right mind would ever
make a movie about Wayne Leggett, the Poet of **** on ARBR! The very thought
of it sends me into hysterics. Give me a break!

By the way, Great Ones like Myself can never make any mistakes. That would
indicate a deficiency of intellect. But I must admit we Great Ones are often
distracted, so mere slips are possible from time to time.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan the Grate wrote:
>> ...
>> If anyone here is Johnny NoComm I think it is gotbent. He was always very
>> sympathetic to that crew of human scum. They knew all about sock puppets,
>> just like gotbent does.
>
> Now you are contradicting yourself, O Grate One.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman

No, when someone like gotbent posts to a newsgroup and references sock
puppets, port scans and other esoterica, then I know we are dealing with
human scum. You and I do not do those sorts of things. Why do you make
excuses for those who do? The worst offender of all time in this regard was
your good buddy Ed Gin. My God, do you have no standards at all?

Jon Meinecke is a skunk and a weasel, but he does not hit below the belt
like your good buddy Ed Gin does. Your only sin is that you do not take
scoundrels on like they ought to be taken on. All your sins are sins of
omission, not commission. I urge you to get some courage.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Peter Clinch]

Tom Keats wrote:

> What exactly is wrong with Mike's bike?

*No* bike, upright, recumbent, anything, can possibly be "100%
comfortable" because there is never a situation where the requirements
of being a bike don't compromise comfort to some degree. Thinking that
a bike's comfort can never be improved under any circumsatnces is
kidding yourself.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/