Folders ... ?

Tony Raven said:

John B wrote on 01/09/2006 15:07 +0100:

Quoted message said:

i agree the BF packs quite large and takes longer to fold and bag (about 4-5
mins) but it does fit easily into all trains I have travelled on - it is not
just a car and plane machine.

You've had more luck than me then. I have taken the BF on two trains.
One was the Oxenholme to Lancaster train at the end of the Cyclefest
Folder ride in 2004 (which Bike Friday's CEO joined). There it had to
be wedged (folded and bagged) onto two seats. Fortunately the train was
not crowded. Another journey on Virgin I just about managed to squeezed
it bagged and folded onto the luggage rack in the middle of the carriage
although it stuck out into the corridor some way.

I have become very suspicious of SWT recently.
I take my BF on 3-4 trains a week and have only once had to bag it up this year -
last Tuesday when they had a strike and said 'no bikes at all'.

My DF does the same number of journeys and again its as easy as pie. Three years
ago the guards checked reservations strictly, but no more.
It is now so easy on SWT that I am highly wary of their motives as I don't think
many people now book - despite the 'requirement' on certain trains. SWT could
easily say no one takes a bike because there are no records of reservations :-(
Of course it may be that they don't want to upset cyclists as the franchise is up
for grabs.

Quoted message said:

The Brompton OTOH goes on the trains into and out of London several
times a week.

ditto, but not London.

Quoted message said:

However I have ridden centuries on the BF but would not even start to
contemplate it on the Brommie although I know people do.

Ditto.

John B

Erik Sandblom said:

The titanium Brompton S2LX is 9,5kg while the Birdy Speed is 10,4kg. The
Brompton only has two speeds though, the Birdy has nine. I think a
six-speed Brompton, S6LX, would still be lighter but I'm not sure.

Lighter, possibly, but it depends to what end you're getting light. For
carting it about, yes, clearly better, but for performance there are
other factors that would have more effect than a couple of hundred of
grammes. I think the Birdy will easily outperform the Brom if you're in
a hurry.

Pete.
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daren said:

Birdy: Light, good fold, expensive, I found them rather too twitchy and
I'm 5' 10".

To what extent is twitchy handling related to height?

I'm 5'8". I found the Birdy to ride like a "normal" sporty bike (with
the standard bars, haven't tried the swept-back "comfort" bars).

Pete.
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In article said:

daren said:

Birdy: Light, good fold, expensive, I found them rather too twitchy and
I'm 5' 10".

To what extent is twitchy handling related to height?

I'm 5'8". I found the Birdy to ride like a "normal" sporty bike (with
the standard bars, haven't tried the swept-back "comfort" bars).

I'm 6'3" and found a Birdy much less twitchy than a Brompton with
extended seatpost. I only had short test rides though.

Peter Clinch said:

daren said:

Birdy: Light, good fold, expensive, I found them rather too twitchy and
I'm 5' 10".

To what extent is twitchy handling related to height?

I'm 5'8". I found the Birdy to ride like a "normal" sporty bike (with
the standard bars, haven't tried the swept-back "comfort" bars).

Just didn't like the handling with comfort stem. The forward stem might
put more weight over the front wheel and that may help. This was
indoors at last year's Cycle show, and the contrast with the Mezzo
ridden immediately afterwards was enormous. I had to try both twice as
I was so suprised.

My Brompton is fairly twitchy too I supose, but I just couldn't take to
the Birdy at all.

regards,
daren
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Quoting Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

daren said:

Birdy: Light, good fold, expensive, I found them rather too twitchy and
I'm 5' 10".

To what extent is twitchy handling related to height?

I'm 5' 10"; the Brompton's fine with both hands on the bars, but a little
edgy when signalling.
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